MBB: Duke 76, Pitt 47 Post-game Thread

CDu said:
Yeah, I'm really not comfortable with calling people fakers and questioning their character from afar. It's one thing to discuss the nut/gut tap by Dunn (which was totally uncalled for). But we have no idea how much pain (or not) Austin was in.
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When it first occurred, I thought that he might have dislocated his shoulder and then the training staff we able to quickly relocate it back -- that would easily explain the apparent extreme discomfort followed by a relatively quick return to action.
 
Lurkingdukedog said:
When it first occurred, I thought that he might have dislocated his shoulder and then the training staff we able to quickly relocate it back -- that would easily explain the apparent extreme discomfort followed by a relatively quick return to action.
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Yep, and that could definitely happen with an arm extended like it was. Or he could have just bent it funny and pinched a nerve or stretched a ligament weird, but with a bit of time felt better.

It wasn't an impact-driven injury, that's for sure. But there are lots of joint injuries that aren't impact-driven.

It's I guess possible that he was faking, but seems weird. It wasn't like he was having a particularly rough game to where he'd feel the need to fake an injury. And they have been blown out before this season, so it's not like this was something totally unique.
 
brevity said:
Duke 76, Pittsburgh 47 (recap, PDF box score, highlights, condensed game, full replay, presser)
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Some more postgame content from today. First, here is the Every Bucket video from Duke MBB:


Second, @blazindw and @JasonEvans react to the game on DBR Podcast #679:


Jason Evans: "We're [soon] going to be previewing the Notre Dame game. Notre Dame may have the best guard in the ACC, and I'm going to tell you right now: Markus Burton is not looking forward to playing against Tyrese Proctor and Sion James. It is just a load for any guard to try and take on these two guys, who are incredibly long, move their feet super well, don't foul very much, know how to recover, block shots... they are just the definition of elite, elite defenders."

Third and fourth are a pair of videos from Sleepers Media. Brian Rauf attended Tuesday's game and said that Cooper Flagg may be the best college player he's ever seen in person:


Carter Elliott and Greg Waddell reviewed the game a few hours after Rauf's video. Elliott, a Michigan State alum, was deeply offended that anyone other than Coen Carr could lay claim to the Dunk of the Year, but otherwise they had positive things to say (about Duke, but not the ACC):


Carter Elliott: "This Duke team is not losing in this conference. We can have a conversation whether that's the greatness of Duke or the a**-ness of the Atlantic Coast Conference. That's okay, I don't care, either way this team isn't losing to anybody in this conference. They're not."

"This Duke team is scary, honestly. the one part about it, if I was a Duke fan I would hate it, though, because I didn't sign up to be Gonzaga, right? I didn't sign up to play the WCC, it's supposed to be the ACC. They're supposed to have some pride about this conference. Randolph Childress and Terrence Oglesby didn't die for this..."

Greg Waddell: "Do you have any concerns with this Duke team? ...I still have one, a big one: how do they close games? The two times we saw them in a tie game with a minute left was a disaster, and it just dawned on me: they're not going to get an opportunity to be in a close game... How do you handle that if you're [Jon] Scheyer? Because I don't think you can simulate that in practice... My major concern, the only concern I have with Duke is not something they're going to get any reps at working on..."
 
brevity said:
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Greg Waddell: "Do you have any concerns with this Duke team? ...I still have one, a big one: how do they close games? The two times we saw them in a tie game with a minute left was a disaster, and it just dawned on me: they're not going to get an opportunity to be in a close game... How do you handle that if you're [Jon] Scheyer? Because I don't think you can simulate that in practice... My major concern, the only concern I have with Duke is not something they're going to get any reps at working on..."
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I thought about this too. BUT, those 2 close games that Duke lost and "couldn't close out at the end" were Kentucky (#19 at that time) by 5 on Nov 12 and Kansas (#1 at that time) by 3 on Nov 26. I'd say that this Duke team today is vastly different than the Duke team that lost those 2 games...
 
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gep said:
I thought about this too. BUT, those 2 close games that Duke lost and "couldn't close out at the end" were Kentucky (#19 at that time) by 5 on Nov 12 and Kansas (#1 at that time) by 3 on Nov 26. I'd say that this Duke team today is vastly different than the Duke team that lost those 2 games...
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Maybe, but that wasn't Greg Waddell's point. He was saying that because the ACC is terrible, Duke is unlikely to get a chance to win a close game in the regular season to prove that they are vastly different now. I don't entirely agree with him -- I think the Illinois game will be close, and you never know about either UNC game. (Even as I chronicled the Heels' terrible offseason, I still always assumed they would split the series, though now I'm having a harder time visualizing it.)

And to Carter Elliott, some people on DBR, and anyone else comparing Duke's ACC slate to Gonzaga's WCC slate, Jon Rothstein may be suggesting that Duke has it easier:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876738274238046324

Duke is currently 5-2 in Quad 1 games* and has 3 remaining opportunities, 2 in the ACC:

at Clemson (NET #41)
vs Illinois in NYC (NET #8)
at UNC (NET #39)

If UNC ends in the top 30, then the game in Cameron will be Q1 instead of Q2. Wake Forest is #85, and would have to move into the top 75 for the game in Winston-Salem to become Q1.

* Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
 
NYBri said:
If he was faking, it was over the top faking. He seemed to be in genuine pain. My first thought was shoulder separation, not unlike Sion’s earlier this season, but Sion didn’t come back in the game….although he did play the next game, IIRC.
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As someone who has a dislocated shoulder, I sometimes get small separation and it hurts like hell but quite often I can go on (as opposed to a full dislocation and it;'s horrible)
 
gep said:
I thought about this too. BUT, those 2 close games that Duke lost and "couldn't close out at the end" were Kentucky (#19 at that time) by 5 on Nov 12 and Kansas (#1 at that time) by 3 on Nov 26. I'd say that this Duke team today is vastly different than the Duke team that lost those 2 games...
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Case in point -- the Auburn game.
 
So... I've read a bunch of comments on this thread about Scheyer leaving the starters in the game to the end. But, and because I don't really know how to check it, my question is if Capel/Pitt left their starters in the game to the end. If I recall generally, for the team with a big lead towards the end, until the team behind subs out all starters and puts in the deep bench, the team that's ahead will not sub out their starters.
 
If Capel had pulled his starters, Jon would immediately pull ours. This is a non-issue. It's a really good thing that this and Caleb are all this board has to worry about right now! 🙂
 
gep said:
So... I've read a bunch of comments on this thread about Scheyer leaving the starters in the game to the end. But, and because I don't really know how to check it, my question is if Capel/Pitt left their starters in the game to the end. If I recall generally, for the team with a big lead towards the end, until the team behind subs out all starters and puts in the deep bench, the team that's ahead will not sub out their starters.
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According to the play-by-play, Capel only made 4 substitutions after Pitt pulled within 11 with 7:51 to go:

7:51 Dunn out; Leggett in
5:28 Lowe out with 4th foul; Dunn in
4:44 Leggett out; Dunn in
0:30 Dunn thrown out of game; J Diaz-Graham in

Dunn didn't start the game but pretty much yeah, Capel left his top guys in the game.
 
azzefkram said:
Gillis may be a 40% 3P shooter over his career, but he also shot 35% as a freshman and a junior. New team, new school, new role gives him an early pass in my book. Plus the whole Duke plays a lot better when he's on the court thingy.
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If he had made 5 of his missed 3’s this season, he’d be over 40%.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Last night at least, Gillis subbed for Flagg, Evans subbed for Kon, and Caleb subbed for James/Proctor. This may or may not be the pattern going forward, but it would make sense that Jon is starting to limit his roster combinations to maximize reps of certain guys playing together.
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Gillis only subbing for Flagg would be a mistake.

Looking at Miya's best lineups with at least 150 offensive possessions, there are two players who appear to make the others play their best: Gillis and Sion.
  • Kon does best with Mason, Sion, and Tyrese.
  • Tyrese does best with Sion, Mason and Kon.
  • Khaman does best with Sion, Mason, and Flagg.
  • Flagg does best with Sion, Khaman, and Kon.
Sion for sure should play a ton, but Mason needs more than (40 - Flagg's minutes). But you're correct that many of the top lineups don't include those two. The only high-possession lineup that I can find that has both Mason and Flagg includes Brown & Kon. That's it. So if we're considering substitution patterns and want all the yummies the other players get from playing with Mason and Sion while also keeping our best player in the lineup, that's Flagg, Kon, Gillis, Brown, and Sion/Tyrese. Play that lineup for 10m, sub Gillis for Flagg for 8m, and you're at Gillis with ~ 18m, which feels about right.
 
I hear all of you, but I believe Jon was making a statement. I mean, didn’t the subs play fewer minutes than any other game? We'll see what happens in other home games, starting Sat.
 
bluedevilwildcats said:
Gillis only subbing for Flagg would be a mistake.

Looking at Miya's best lineups with at least 150 offensive possessions, there are two players who appear to make the others play their best: Gillis and Sion.
  • Kon does best with Mason, Sion, and Tyrese.
  • Tyrese does best with Sion, Mason and Kon.
  • Khaman does best with Sion, Mason, and Flagg.
  • Flagg does best with Sion, Khaman, and Kon.
Sion for sure should play a ton, but Mason needs more than (40 - Flagg's minutes). But you're correct that many of the top lineups don't include those two. The only high-possession lineup that I can find that has both Mason and Flagg includes Brown & Kon. That's it. So if we're considering substitution patterns and want all the yummies the other players get from playing with Mason and Sion while also keeping our best player in the lineup, that's Flagg, Kon, Gillis, Brown, and Sion/Tyrese. Play that lineup for 10m, sub Gillis for Flagg for 8m, and you're at Gillis with ~ 18m, which feels about right.
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I think Jon's lineups and substitution patterns are pretty dialed in after we just played four very strong games on both ends of the court.

I think experimentation time is over. It's time to max out the reps and fine tune the execution with the lineups he's committed to. We'll see if I'm right.
 
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