MBB: Duke 76, Pitt 47 Post-game Thread

gep said:
So... I've read a bunch of comments on this thread about Scheyer leaving the starters in the game to the end. But, and because I don't really know how to check it, my question is if Capel/Pitt left their starters in the game to the end. If I recall generally, for the team with a big lead towards the end, until the team behind subs out all starters and puts in the deep bench, the team that's ahead will not sub out their starters.
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We had two consectative turnovers and allowed Pitt to cut the lead to 11. Scheyer called timeout under the 8 minute mark and put the starters back in. Here is what he said regarding that last stretch via Jim Sumner.

"We had a good flow going. I didn’t sub as much. I wanted to sub and get those guys in. but the game kind of got away from us, where time just goes. I just wanted us to regroup. I never felt comfortable in the game because they can score so quick."

Capel did not empty his bench and Duke's lineup was playing well so Jon let them to finished the game. No big deal. There will be lots of opportunity to give the bench playing time with our upcoming schedule.
 
Regarding our ability to close out games, I would feel a lot better if Cooper weren't still losing the ball while spinning in the lane. I thought for a while he had cured that problem but now it's back. Otherwise, I agree that Duke is not the same team as it was in November.
 
I think that Flagg’s reverse move can certainly be coached/improved in a short term. Rewatching those turnovers, it appears his dribble tends to get too wide and his hand can’t stay towards the far side of the ball to bring the ball back around. I think if he crouches less, the footprint of the move will be tighter and keep more hand control of the ball.
 
fathippo said:
We had two consectative turnovers and allowed Pitt to cut the lead to 11. Scheyer called timeout under the 8 minute mark and put the starters back in. Here is what he said regarding that last stretch via Jim Sumner.

"We had a good flow going. I didn’t sub as much. I wanted to sub and get those guys in. but the game kind of got away from us, where time just goes. I just wanted us to regroup. I never felt comfortable in the game because they can score so quick."

Capel did not empty his bench and Duke's lineup was playing well so Jon let them to finished the game. No big deal. There will be lots of opportunity to give the bench playing time with our upcoming schedule.
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Hopefully (and I think it is likely) this will be true. For those above who commented about their worries regarding us being able to close out a game, methinks putting your starters back in and holding an explosive offensive team to zero points in the last eight minutes bodes well for the future
 
SkyBrickey said:
If Capel had pulled his starters, Jon would immediately pull ours. This is a non-issue.
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Ex cathedra pronouncements to the contrary notwithstanding, Scheyer himself seemed to think it enough of an issue to comment briefly in his postgame press conference that he intended to sub guys in, but that “the game kind of got away from us, where time just goes.”

Assuming Scheyer and Capel chatted after the game, I don’t find it hard imagine Capel apologizing for Dunn’s flagrant, or Scheyer saying he didn’t intend to run up the score and had intended to sub, to which Capel might have graciously responded he should have removed his starters the last minute or two.
 
SkyBrickey said:
I think Jon's lineups and substitution patterns are pretty dialed in after we just played four very strong games on both ends of the court.

I think experimentation time is over. It's time to max out the reps and fine tune the execution with the lineups he's committed to. We'll see if I'm right.
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I agree with this. Duke's current starting lineup is beastly and even more beastly since it has become the starting lineup. How much the 6-9 players play will probably depend on game time performance.
 
azzefkram said:
I agree with this. Duke's current starting lineup is beastly and even more beastly since it has become the starting lineup. How much the 6-9 players play will probably depend on game time performance.
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I agree with you both. Brown is subbing for Man-Man most of the time, Gillis is subbing for Cooper most of the time. Caleb is subbing for Tyrese and Sion most of the time. Isaiah is subbing for Kon and one of the guards. I've changed my mind on Gillis. With the way he's playing, I think he might give Kon a rest once in a while. The way the starters are performing, I don't think the bench will get much run in close games. In the others, I think the bench will see the court more. That said, the ACC schedule should provide the bench some valuable minutes. Unless of course, one of the of the opposing players jumps on our scorers table.

GoDuke!
 
jv001 said:
I agree with you both. Brown is subbing for Man-Man most of the time, Gillis is subbing for Cooper most of the time. Caleb is subbing for Tyrese and Sion most of the time. Isaiah is subbing for Kon and one of the guards. I've changed my mind on Gillis. With the way he's playing, I think he might give Kon a rest once in a while. The way the starters are performing, I don't think the bench will get much run in close games. In the others, I think the bench will see the court more. That said, the ACC schedule should provide the bench some valuable minutes. Unless of course, one of the of the opposing players jumps on our scorers table.

GoDuke!
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Gillis subs for other players in addition to Cooper. Gillis has played 200 minutes overall and 112 with Cooper off the court. He's actually played about 20% of his minutes with both Cooper and Kon on the court.
 
Matches said:
Co-signed on behalf of the Class of ‘95 as well. At least you guys got to go out with the ‘98 team.
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Class of 97 here saying hold my beer. 95 got a title. 96 and 97 got to see us get to the finals in 94 (To heck with you, Scotty Thurman). 96 got a small bounce back their senior year. 97 got more of a recovery until a disappointing tournament. 98 had a great season until Wayne Turner. 98 was the only class in a ridiculously long stretch that did not get a final four - I believe every class from 1986-2007 got a final four except 1998 got a final four.
 
my geezer class's claim to fame (same for the subsequent year) was that we never lost to unc in Cameron/Indoor Stadium despite the fact unc had very highly ranked teams in those years, and Duke was highly ranked only once.
 
So I am wondering something about Cooper's dunk. I really don't know the technical rule and often wonder this. After he stole the ball, on his run out he "collected" the ball with two hands after it seemed he had a controlled one or two dribbles. I thought it could have been called double dribble, but clearly it wasn't. I wondered it other times after rebounds or loose ball are controlled.

Does anybody here know the actual rule? Why wasn't the Cooper runout a double dribble?
 
simplyluvin said:
My memories of the 1987 team was stifling defense in Amaker’s senior year. That 88 team was Billy King’s senior year and had those lanky wings in Henderson and Strickland. Great defensive teams for sure.
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So many steals and run outs for Dunks. the 86 season also. I wonder how many Johnny had?!
 
BandAlum83 said:
So I am wondering something about Cooper's dunk. I really don't know the technical rule and often wonder this. After he stole the ball, on his run out he "collected" the ball with two hands after it seemed he had a controlled one or two dribbles. I thought it could have been called double dribble, but clearly it wasn't. I wondered it other times after rebounds or loose ball are controlled.

Does anybody here know the actual rule? Why wasn't the Cooper runout a double dribble?
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Pretty good discussion of that issue in the Cooper goat dunk thread. Here is some of it.
Mike Petrik said:
What a phenomenal dunk, but honest question here gents, didn't he double-dribble?
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Phredd3 said:
I thought so at first, too, but actually, no. His initial couple of tips to the floor are him gaining control of the ball, technically not dribbling. Once he grabs the ball to gain firm control, he is then allowed to push it to the floor for his theoretical first dribble with two hands, after which he has to use just one hand. It's a generous interpretation of the rule, but not an atypical one.
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azzefkram said:
How much the 6-9 players play will probably depend on game time performance.
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Cooper will get lots of playing time, and Maliq will get a fair amount. I'd like for Begovitch to get some minutes, too, but it'll be a lot fewer than those other guys get. I think the trickier question will be among the 6-6 guys.

Oh, wait, maybe you didn't mean height....

(But that's seriously how I read it the first time.)
 
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