NCAA Football 2024 (national discussion)

Vanderbilt looks solid. I don’t think they will beat Texas but they would be a good opponent for us in a bowl game.

Vanderbilt —> Alabama
Alabama —> Georgia
Georgia —> Texas
Texas —> Alabama
Vanderbilt — Texas???
 
budwom said:
UCF is indeed massive, but nearly 90% of students live off campus and are basically commuter students....agreed that it's not surprising given the growth of Florida
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People who live in purpose built off-campus student housing are not commuter students. If anyone on this board knows, it’s me. It’s my business. UCF is one of the best markets in the country. Not a commuter school.
 
tommy said:
Florida International is a commuter school as well. Very little on campus housing.
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More of a commuter school but that is changing rapidly. Many purpose-built off campus student housing assets have been recently built and delivered and many more on the way. The market is strong.
 
TheTrain said:
People who live in purpose built off-campus student housing are not commuter students. If anyone on this board knows, it’s me. It’s my business. UCF is one of the best markets in the country. Not a commuter school.
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call them whatever you want, but they have 69,000 students and only housing (INCLUDING affiliated housing) for 12,282 per their own web site, so they ARE essentially a commuter school. People not coming in droves from Oregon to school there. I know a lot of people who work there, THEY call it a commuter school as much as UCF would like to brand themselves differently.
Only 7% of students are from outside FL.
 
Purpose built off campus student housing is not affiliated housing. Over 17,000 beds of purpose built off campus student housing with another 600 coming next August..so 18,000 by next year (with market occupancy of 98.1%). That combined with on campus supply equates to about 43% housing yield which is effectively the norm for most state public schools (40-60%).
 
TheTrain said:
More of a commuter school but that is changing rapidly. Many purpose-built off campus student housing assets have been recently built and delivered and many more on the way. The market is strong.
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My buddy are you trying to fundraise for your next project ;)

Love ya, man!
 
budwom said:
call them whatever you want, but they have 69,000 students and only housing (INCLUDING affiliated housing) for 12,282 per their own web site, so they ARE essentially a commuter school. People not coming in droves from Oregon to school there. I know a lot of people who work there, THEY call it a commuter school as much as UCF would like to brand themselves differently.
Only 7% of students are from outside FL.
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Might need a determination of what we mean by "commuter school," I guess. I put more on student amenities and facilities than I do housing, frankly. IMHO, if there's a big student union, a lot of gymnasiums and dining facilities, an auditorium with concerts and things, and the substantial majority of students live within a mile or so of the actual campus (so they can bike or walk there), then it's not a commuter school. Duke's the outlier, not the large publics where there's enough dorm housing for their freshmen and some small slice of upperclassmen but 70% of undergrads are in Greek houses, rental houses and apartment buildings surrounding university grounds. Don't know about the specifics of these FL schools. I agree with Train that private unaffiliated developments should count, but not sure I agree on his/her conclusion from the particulars of UCF - 43% of students in student housing of some sort as not a commuter school - I think I'd say you need 2/3 to get sufficient campus-centric culture and buy-in on school identity and spirit. Anyway, will get back to football here!
 
Mal - Respectfully, as the 13th largest domestic owner/operator of off-campus purpose built student housing in the US with over 13,000 beds and 34 assets from coast to coast, UCF is the furthest thing from a commuter school in financial and real estate circles. More than happy to discuss off line. It legitimately is my business and my life.
 
Mal said:
Might need a determination of what we mean by "commuter school," I guess. I put more on student amenities and facilities than I do housing, frankly. IMHO, if there's a big student union, a lot of gymnasiums and dining facilities, an auditorium with concerts and things, and the substantial majority of students live within a mile or so of the actual campus (so they can bike or walk there), then it's not a commuter school. Duke's the outlier, not the large publics where there's enough dorm housing for their freshmen and some small slice of upperclassmen but 70% of undergrads are in Greek houses, rental houses and apartment buildings surrounding university grounds. Don't know about the specifics of these FL schools. I agree with Train that private unaffiliated developments should count, but not sure I agree on his/her conclusion from the particulars of UCF - 43% of students in student housing of some sort as not a commuter school - I think I'd say you need 2/3 to get sufficient campus-centric culture and buy-in on school identity and spirit. Anyway, will get back to football here!
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I agree, and definitely with the point that there is no clear definition of commuter school. In any event they are real big.
 
JasonEvans said:
Hey Washington (2-3 in BTen) and Oklahoma (1-4 in SEC), how is that conference realignment working out for ya?

Meanwhile, "Indiana is 8-0 in football" is a collection of words that I never thought I would put together in that order.
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I give Washington a pass. A dip seems inevitable when you lose your head coach to Alabama (presumably taking some recruits and players with him) and have your QB and two others graduate as first round NFL draft picks after making the national championship game.

Oklahoma being stuck in the mud and losing to South Carolina is kind of baffling, though. I guess losing Dillon Gabriel has really killed their offense? They somehow managed to both avoid Georgia yet get the toughest SEC schedule in their first year - they play Tennessee, LSU, Alabama, Texas, Mizzou and Ole Miss. Definitely a rude welcome.
 
TheTrain said:
Mal - Respectfully, as the 13th largest domestic owner/operator of off-campus purpose built student housing in the US with over 13,000 beds and 34 assets from coast to coast, UCF is the furthest thing from a commuter school in financial and real estate circles. More than happy to discuss off line. It legitimately is my business and my life.
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Have worked on many student housing jv's everywhere from Blacksburg to Fresno (dm me if you ever need new counsel ;)). That's why I was backing your general point. Would note, however, that I think most use "commuter school" as a descriptor applied to functional atmosphere of a university, not its surrounding property market as perceived in real estate investment terms. What do students do after their classes are done for the day? Are they on campus at night or on the weekends? Do they go to football and basketball games? What kind of "college town" area surrounds campus and helps define its culture? In other words, we're talking about the experience of the school (which is in large part driven by where people live) in determining where on a "campus-centric" to "commuter" spectrum it sits, not whether or not developers have sensed and responded to an appetite for more beds. Obviously over time, takeup of new product might change the culture of the school by putting more students closer to campus.

In any event, definitionally, even in market terms, a school where less than half of the students live within a few miles of their classrooms can't exactly be the "furthest thing from a commuter school" - that would be Stanford or Harvard, with their 98% on campus living rates or whatever they are. There's almost literally no commuting there, and zero market for student apartment buildings.
 
That’s not including the thousands that live in shadow housing around the school

43% is purpose built student housing only (on and off campus).

Blackstone, Goldman, ADIA, KKR, and others who own student housing at UCF would not agree with a different definition
 
Ted Roof was the DC at Oklahoma the past few years. He just got fired a few months into his job as DC at UCF. He was working under Guz Malzahn, with whom he had worked at Auburn. Other than being DC at GA Tech from 2013-2017, he has moved around a lot since he left Duke. I know that is somewhat typically for college assistants, but he seems pretty extreme. Amazing that he is still only 60 years old - seems like he has been around forever.

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UCF fires DC Roof amid 5-game losing streak

UCF has fired defensive coordinator Ted Roof. Co-defensive coordinator Addison Williams will take over defensive playcalling duties, while offensive coordinator Tim Harris Jr. take over offensive playcalling from coach Gus Malzahn.
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