NCAA Football 2024 (national discussion)

roywhite said:
Probably true, but the growth of these other schools (and their athletic programs) was probably inevitable in a state of over 22 Million population

Current enrollment:
USF -- 49,600
UCF -- 68,346
FIU -- 55,609

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Right, but it also means that the in home talent have more options, not to mention the out of state poaching. I was listening to a podcast talking about ECU's struggles over the past decade, and while there are many, I don't think it should be lost on anyone that the rise of JMU, ODU, App, Charlotte and Coastal Carolina have eaten into their recruiting base. ECU was for the longest time the only FBS school in the area that wasn't ACC affliated. So if the big schools missed on the recruits from the smaller areas, there was ECU to scoop them up.
Well not anymore. In addition to the big 4, Clemson and UVA/VT doing a better job canvasing these 3 states, theres now 5 more FBS schools in the region to compete with.
 
Stray Gator said:
There are no "cakewalks" in the SEC. But everything is relative. Florida has already played #6 Miami, #7 Tennessee, and #18 Texas A&M, and during the next month, the Gators will face #2 Georgia in Jacksonville, #5 Texas in Austin, then host #8 LSU and #18 Ole Miss. As a Texas fan, I think you'll find sympathy in short supply this season.
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Just think that if FSU was as good as the pre-season ranking, you’d also have another top-10 on the schedule. So you’d have:

Miami, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, FSU, LSU, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

I mean that is not fair. It’s worse than the mess Georgia Tech always had to deal with every year (Miami, Clemson, Georgia match-ups guaranteed)
 
FosterCoachK82 said:
Wow that is crazy, those schools are huge!
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Yes. Wow to those numbers. Hadn't realized those schools had gotten so massive. UCF is approaching Texas A&M size. And HoKogan forgot FAU, which is another 30,000 students and yet another FBS football program to potentially steal more recruits from the established powers in the state.

It's fascinating to see that, as of 1955, the state university system of Florida had 3 schools (including FAMU, an HBCU), and since then it's founded 8 more! And a couple of them that are only 60 years old are bigger than FSU already. I guess the population growth of the state must have been so explosive that it had to start creating new, large universities out of nothing, and they had to be equipped to grow fast because the land grant schools couldn't expand fast enough to keep up. Leads to a totally different landscape than the model used most places, especially up north, with one "University of _________," possibly an ag school that became "_________ State University" which slowly grew into huge schools, and then some directionals that pop up from time to time but usually top out at a much smaller size than the flagships.
 
Mal said:
Yes. Wow to those numbers. Hadn't realized those schools had gotten so massive. UCF is approaching Texas A&M size. And HoKogan forgot FAU, which is another 30,000 students and yet another FBS football program to potentially steal more recruits from the established powers in the state.

It's fascinating to see that, as of 1955, the state university system of Florida had 3 schools (including FAMU, an HBCU), and since then it's founded 8 more! And a couple of them that are only 60 years old are bigger than FSU already. I guess the population growth of the state must have been so explosive that it had to start creating new, large universities out of nothing, and they had to be equipped to grow fast because the land grant schools couldn't expand fast enough to keep up. Leads to a totally different landscape than the model used most places, especially up north, with one "University of _________," possibly an ag school that became "_________ State University" which slowly grew into huge schools, and then some directionals that pop up from time to time but usually top out at a much smaller size than the flagships.
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What's more, until 1947, FSU was the Florida State College for Women.
 
UCF is indeed massive, but nearly 90% of students live off campus and are basically commuter students....agreed that it's not surprising given the growth of Florida
 
So, I'm seeing that the current favorites for the Heisman are the running back from Boise State (Jeanty), the quarterback from Miami (Ward), with the quarterback from Indiana (Rourke) having an outside shot (why not the quarterback from Oregon?).

So, in 2 weeks, we could help decide the Heisman race. Suhweeet.

www.espn.com

Heisman Trophy odds watch: Down to the final two?

Travis Hunter sits atop the Heisman odds for Week 13, but is there betting value in others entering the final stretch of the season?
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dlmzzz said:
So, I'm seeing that the current favorites for the Heisman are the running back from Boise State (Jeanty), the quarterback from Miami (Ward), with the quarterback from Indiana (Rourke) having an outside shot (why not the quarterback from Oregon?).

So, in 2 weeks, we could help decide the Heisman race. Suhweeet.

www.espn.com

Heisman Trophy odds watch: Down to the final two?

Travis Hunter sits atop the Heisman odds for Week 13, but is there betting value in others entering the final stretch of the season?
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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There are three players in the Heisman race. It’s Jeanty, Ward, and Gabriel (Oregon). All are +400 or better. Everyone else is +2000 or worse
 
I like to place a few wagers on college football over the course of the season, and I'm thinking of a larger bet (for me) on Miami this weekend. Without me telling you the spread, how many points do you think Miami will beat FSU by? The game is in Miami, and they've lost 3 in a row to FSU. What do you guys think the final margin of victory will be? I tend to think FSU has completely thrown in the towel after Duke got them.
 
dukebluesincebirth said:
I like to place a few wagers on college football over the course of the season, and I'm thinking of a larger bet (for me) on Miami this weekend. Without me telling you the spread, how many points do you think Miami will beat FSU by? The game is in Miami, and they've lost 3 in a row to FSU. What do you guys think the final margin of victory will be? I tend to think FSU has completely thrown in the towel after Duke got them.
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Tough one. FSU could get up for the game and make it respectable…or lay an egg like Florida did at home. This feels like a 21-point win to me.
 
budwom said:
UCF is indeed massive, but nearly 90% of students live off campus and are basically commuter students....agreed that it's not surprising given the growth of Florida
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Florida International is a commuter school as well. Very little on campus housing.
 
AGDukesky said:
Tough one. FSU could get up for the game and make it respectable…or lay an egg like Florida did at home. This feels like a 21-point win to me.
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So here's the thing, Miami has been winning but the final scores have been fairly close the past few weeks. Va Tech by 4, Cal by 1, and then Lou by 7. It ain't like they are routinely taking P5 teams to the woodshed for 20+ wins.

But, and this really cannot be stressed enough, Florida State sucks.

I have not looked but if the line was more than about 18, I'd probably take the Noles. Down around 12 or so, I'm picking Miami. In between, I'd stay away,
 
FSU indeed does suck, but it is also true that they have a whole lot of individual, NFL level talent on that team.
 
budwom said:
FSU indeed does suck, but it is also true that they have a whole lot of individual, NFL level talent on that team.
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True that. And this is one of those longstanding rivalries that involves elements of personal as well as school pride, in some cases dating back to when they were high school foes or teammates. Miami's coaches are likely to have a more difficult time getting their players into the proper frame of mind to take FSU seriously based on the results this season. On the other hand, NorveLLLLLL and his staff can sell his players on the opportunity this game presents to pull the upset that salvages some measure of respect for their program, and sets them on the path to win the mythical state championship if they can then beat UF at home in the season finale.

In short, I wouldn't dare to touch a wager on this game.
 
RoseBowl1942 said:
They were an independent so I was counting them as effectively P4 (given they are today and, let’s be honest, BYU is a legit program that has historically had lots of fans and money, recent MWC history aside)

Excluding Army / Navy (which we powerhouses back in the day), the last non-major Heisman was 1951 (Princeton)
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I think BYU might have been still in the WAC at the time Detmer played.
 
Hey Washington (2-3 in BTen) and Oklahoma (1-4 in SEC), how is that conference realignment working out for ya?

Meanwhile, "Indiana is 8-0 in football" is a collection of words that I never thought I would put together in that order.
 
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