This Week in the ACC - 2/10-2/16

Wake loses on weird final 10 seconds. FSU, leading by 1, rebounds Wake miss, Wake players try but fail to foul, FSU player could run out clock but instead dunks for 3-point FSU lead, but leaving 1.1 seconds. Ball thrown in to Hildreth, who’s fouled — repeat, fouled — throwing up a prayer from halfcourt. Hildreth thus gets 3 FTs, chance to tie it. But he misses first FT, makes 2d, deliberately misses 3d but Wake can’t tip it in.
 
I may be the only one here that watched the ND-BC game. Double OT, it was actually quite entertaining. Childress was doing color, he was fine. Conte had maybe 500 people in it. Quite a difference from when Flagg was there. You could hear individual fans often.

Oh, ND won, even though there was a Flagrant-II on them in the 2nd OT. The ND guy basically dug his knee into Hand Jr's jewels when he was on his back fighting for the rock. Not for the squeamish...

9F
 
SkyBrickey said:
If they win their next 3 games, I'd agree they are in the tourney. FWIW Torvik gives them only a 7.4% chance of winning all 3.
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Wake couldn't win the next 1, much less the next 3. They can't blame anyone but themselves. Steve Forbes after the game said this was the worst loss of his tenure at Wake.
 
gumbomoop said:
Wake loses on weird final 10 seconds. FSU, leading by 1, rebounds Wake miss, Wake players try but fail to foul, FSU player could run out clock but instead dunks for 3-point FSU lead, but leaving 1.1 seconds. Ball thrown in to Hildreth, who’s fouled — repeat, fouled — throwing up a prayer from halfcourt. Hildreth thus gets 3 FTs, chance to tie it. But he misses first FT, makes 2d, deliberately misses 3d but Wake can’t tip it in.
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You missed the fact that Johnson, a terrible three point shooter takes a 35 ft three point shot with 13 seconds left on the clock when Wake was only down by one.

And they had a chance to foul after the miss but at first wake didn’t seem to realize they needed to foul.

Also, before that, the game was tied with 24 seconds left. 22 seconds left on the shot clock when wake scored to go up 2. They could have run out the clock and taken the final shot in regulation.
 
kshepinthehouse said:
You missed the fact that Johnson, a terrible three point shooter takes a 35 ft three point shot with 13 seconds left on the clock when Wake was only down by one.

And they had a chance to foul after the miss but at first wake didn’t seem to realize they needed to foul.

Also, before that, the game was tied with 24 seconds left. 22 seconds left on the shot clock when wake scored to go up 2. They could have run out the clock and taken the final shot in regulation.
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All of the above is true... it is impossible to overstate how poorly Wake handled the final 30 seconds of the game. I am not talking how they executed -- which was also abysmal -- but the lack of basketball common sense that was on display.

I'm not saying it is all on the head coach, but a good bit of it needs to fall to him. How does a 22% 3-point shooter fire from the logo when you are down 1 with 12 seconds left in the game?!?! How do you not run the clock down to almost zero before taking the last shot? How do you leave a guy wiiiide open from 3 when you are up 2 in the final ten seconds?
 
kshepinthehouse said:
You missed the fact that Johnson, a terrible three point shooter takes a 35 ft three point shot with 13 seconds left on the clock when Wake was only down by one.

And they had a chance to foul after the miss but at first wake didn’t seem to realize they needed to foul.

Also, before that, the game was tied with 24 seconds left. 22 seconds left on the shot clock when wake scored to go up 2. They could have run out the clock and taken the final shot in regulation.
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Yeah, it was like Johnson looked at the clock and didn’t see the number next to the “1” and thought he just had a second to shoot. Just horrible awareness all over the place…
 
JasonEvans said:
All of the above is true... it is impossible to overstate how poorly Wake handled the final 30 seconds of the game. I am not talking how they executed -- which was also abysmal -- but the lack of basketball common sense that was on display.

I'm not saying it is all on the head coach, but a good bit of it needs to fall to him. How does a 22% 3-point shooter fire from the logo when you are down 1 with 12 seconds left in the game?!?! How do you not run the clock down to almost zero before taking the last shot? How do you leave a guy wiiiide open from 3 when you are up 2 in the final ten seconds?
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Bball common sense — I assume many coaches do emphasize “time and circumstance,” but I’d bet many of us fans have seen countless examples of players who do, and countless examples of players who do not, display a clear sense of time and circumstance. Ty-Laur Johnson hadn’t a clue.

But I don’t agree that Wake should have waited until the last second or 2. Down 1, wouldn’t the best play have been for Johnson to drive to the rim or for a closer pull-up at 8-9 seconds, with teammates going hard for an O-rebound of a miss?
 
Reason has finally prevailed, and ESPN has now dropped the Heels tourney hopes like rocks. (The only locks in the conference are us, Clemson, and Louisville; SMU is the only other team that doesn't "have work to do".) Paywalled article, but here's the fun part.

North Carolina Tar Heels (19%)*

Facing a high-leverage game on the road against fellow ACC bubble squad Clemson on Monday, the Tar Heels came out flat and lost big. Making matters worse, they were one of the biggest losers when ESPN Analytics adjusted its forecast model, dropping from better than an 85% chance to only 19%. It's not hard to see why: The Heels are a borderline top-50 SOR team with a 7-11 record against the BPI top 100. And they have only a few more chances to meaningfully add to their résumé before the conference tournament: at FSU on Feb. 24 and against Duke on March 8. (Updated Feb. 11 at 8:39 p.m.)
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Men's Bubble Watch: VCU, George Mason, Colorado State among the biggest risers

With Selection Sunday one day away, see the latest odds for teams playing for their chance to dance.
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gumbomoop said:
Bball common sense — I assume many coaches do emphasize “time and circumstance,” but I’d bet many of us fans have seen countless examples of players who do, and countless examples of players who do not, display a clear sense of time and circumstance.
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This gives me the opportunity to revisit my all-time favorite "time and circumstance" error. Check out how UConn's Roscoe Smith manages the clock at the end of regulation in this tied game vs Texas.


The icing on the cake: If you look closely, you'll notice that while Smith's "shot" ends up missing the cylinder, it lands squarely in the cone.
 
AGDukesky said:
Yeah, it was like Johnson looked at the clock and didn’t see the number next to the “1” and thought he just had a second to shoot. Just horrible awareness all over the place…
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In a seventh grade game in 1967 just before half-time I was bringing the ball up the court (that in itself unusual because I was primarily a front court player) and as I crossed half court on a probably 75 foot court several in the crowd starting shouting clock, clock, which in that bandbox of a gym was behind me. I looked back over my shoulder, and the game clock showed 13 seconds which I misread as 3 seconds in my hurry and so I turned back to the basket and let fly from the edge of the center circle and it banked right in. I sheepishly jogged back on defense for the final 10 seconds, there was laughter in the crowd. Today that would have been a 3 pointer.
 
State’s not going to get a chance to defend its ACC title. They’re tied with BC and Miami for 16th at 2-11. That’s three games behind Cal and Syracuse who are 5-9. And Cal beat State twice. Absolutely brutal.
 
gumbomoop said:
But I don’t agree that Wake should have waited until the last second or 2. Down 1, wouldn’t the best play have been for Johnson to drive to the rim or for a closer pull-up at 8-9 seconds, with teammates going hard for an O-rebound of a miss?
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Sorry, to be clear I was not talking about the last possession. I was talking about when they called timeout with 24 seconds left in a tie game and 22 seconds on the shot clock. In that moment - DURING A TIME OUT -- they could either decide to shoot right away or wait until the shot clock had nearly expired and take a shot that would either win the game or leave FSU with less than 2 seconds to make a shot to avoid OT.

Instead, Wake inbounded the ball and had their big cut to the basket for an immediate dunk. Great play in normal circumstances but it was the play that left them vulnerable to a 3 pointer that would win the game... which is exactly what FSU did.
 
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