Hurricane Helene

Yall are letting a handful of politicians and their proxies drive wedges between you and "others". I refuse to listen to people that do that.

In my experience normal people are helping the best they can. The idiots on TV can go wankerize themselves. I'm not playing their game, none of us should.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

PS - Heels look good today.
9f for life
I can't do much about what idiots are saying on TV & social media. I won't change minds at a national level. All I can do is continue to treat everyone I come across with respect and help where I can. My opinion, which probably isn't worth much, is that the more people there are doing this the better chance we have of moving in a positive direction. . This includes correcting any misinformation I hear. If I can make a difference a few people at a time and others do the same, we can make changes.

I will put my rose colored glasses aside now.
 
Yall are letting a handful of politicians and their proxies drive wedges between you and "others". I refuse to listen to people that do that.

In my experience normal people are helping the best they can. The idiots on TV can go wankerize themselves. I'm not playing their game, none of us should.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

PS - Heels look good today.
9f for life
Well said, PackMan. Too many take legitimate discussion/criticisms and bend it into their agenda to attack someone. It is IMO, a type of discourse that does not belong on the Board. I don't know where civil and respectful have gone. Differing, competing viewpoints, ideas and approaches make for intellectual growth. Of course, that cannot happen if either you or I presume to begin from a position of unassailable truth. I know that I have opinions and views that are the product of many years of intellectual and life experience. I have my frame of reference that is developed from my life experience and my lifetime of observation and my lifetime of study.

We need to have more calmness and reflection on this Board. Less certainty in our opinions and more honest compassion in our responses. Maybe we need a Parquet Floor again.
 
Thats what we need back in this country. We can disagree to our blood boils.we have to get back to putting our nonsense aside .
Speaking from experience, seeing your immediate community in complete disarray and in so much need, then seeing it be politicized through abject lies is incredibly disheartening.

It makes me worry that our country is too fractured to heal.
 
Speaking from experience, seeing your immediate community in complete disarray and in so much need, then seeing it be politicized through abject lies is incredibly disheartening.

It makes me worry that our country is too fractured to heal.
Who decides what is the lie, what is the truth? I can't see further than my block so me perspective is quite limited. My ego is not so large as to presume that I have adequate knowledge and current overall picture to pontificate on truth and/or lies.
 
Who decides what is the lie, what is the truth? I can't see further than my block so me perspective is quite limited. My ego is not so large as to presume that I have adequate knowledge and current overall picture to pontificate on truth and/or lies.
Isn't that the problem. This thread is the first time I heard there were FEMA problems with Hurricane Hugo. My family never made it out of our local region which was able to handle our needs by working together.

In a disaster you get super local and just deal with the problems of the day m no timer it energy to worry about the rest.
 
Who decides what is the lie, what is the truth? I can't see further than my block so me perspective is quite limited. My ego is not so large as to presume that I have adequate knowledge and current overall picture to pontificate on truth and/or lies.
No. Wrong. Truth is objective.

I am telling you those are lies regarding FEMA and much more. You don't have you believe me, but if you don't, you are call me a liar.

Facts are not subjective. This is infuriating.
 
Isn't that the problem. This thread is the first time I heard there were FEMA problems with Hurricane Hugo. My family never made it out of our local region which was able to handle our needs by working together.

In a disaster you get super local and just deal with the problems of the day m no timer it energy to worry about the rest.
Are you saying I am too tired to recognize truth? Please explain.
 
No. Wrong. Truth is objective.

I am telling you those are lies regarding FEMA and much more. You don't have you believe me, but if you don't, you are call me a liar.

Facts are not subjective. This is infuriating.
Thank you. You are more tactful than I am. I wrote and erased about five responses to that post. My kids are taught in kindergarten (or earlier) the difference between a lie and the truth. You don't knowingly tell lies. Full stop. Not sure what is debatable about that. But that is what people are doing now for their own political gain, and unfortunately there are large segments of our population who either a) are unable to differentiate this, which is really sad, or b) willingly ignore it or rationalize it, which is even worse.

This discussion has really gone off the rails. It is sad that we even have to respond to this. And no, I'm not being patronizing, picking on individuals, or anything else. I am trying to maintain a decent, intelligent conversation based on what I thought were normal standards of behavior and discussion. But what do I know.

Thanks again to Mtn Devil for your calm, rational response while dealing with an incredible difficult situation. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
 
Thank you. You are more tactful than I am. I wrote and erased about five responses to that post. My kids are taught in kindergarten (or earlier) the difference between a lie and the truth. You don't knowingly tell lies. Full stop. Not sure what is debatable about that. But that is what people are doing now for their own political gain, and unfortunately there are large segments of our population who either a) are unable to differentiate this, which is really sad, or b) willingly ignore it or rationalize it, which is even worse.

This discussion has really gone off the rails. It is sad that we even have to respond to this. And no, I'm not being patronizing, picking on individuals, or anything else. I am trying to maintain a decent, intelligent conversation based on what I thought were normal standards of behavior and discussion. But what do I know.

Thanks again to Mtn Devil for your calm, rational response while dealing with an incredible difficult situation. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.
I have friend working in government. I have a very good friend who worked with FEMA after Sandy. Those people are incredibly selfless and work incredibly hard for unimaginable stretches. Are they perfect? Of course not. They learned a LOT from the mistakes of Katrina.

I have watched non-stop military and civilian helicopters for two weeks - many desperate places are without roads, which is wildly complicated. I have seen concerned citizens drive hundreds of miles to deliver supplies. I've helped churches from Eastern NC and Florida unload pallets of water, food, diapers. I've seen FEMA distribute HUGE quantities of supplies to people who would have died without this assistance.

FEMA isn't absent. They aren't stealing land. They aren't denying financial claims to anyone I have met, and they certainly aren't unable to meet needs because of Ukraine.

I am certain that there are people in remote places frustrated by the speed of aid. If you have better ideas of how to help, please share those ideas rather than repeating nonsense.

Just please stop this idiocy. Don't believe every TikTok video that says Kommie Kamala is disenfranchising WNC red voters with her secret storm ray.

Literally every person I have encountered in the last 16 days has been incredibly kind everyone is trying to help everyone else. Everyone is asking strangers if they are in need.

Politicizing this is just disgusting.

I'll go back to letting the people who have power, cell service, hot water, and Internet explain to me what the "truth" of my traumatic experience has been. If you want, PM me and I will give you my name and address. You can come visit and i will show you a tour of the destruction and the amazing aid projects being done.

Enjoy your NFL Sunday. I'm clearing my neighbor'a yard.
 
I'm becoming less calm. I should probably take an internet break.
It is sad that you feel this way (to be clear, I'm not insulting you by saying that - I'm saying I'm on your side). You are an incredible member of this community (and your local community in Western NC). We are all praying for you and appreciate your updates. This should be a happy, calming place for you (and anyone else). Some people just don't get it - they just need to try to show the world how brilliant they think they are. I feel like we have a little control over what is said here. We unfortunately have almost no control over the lies the morons in the public sphere are saying. Which is truly tragic.
 
My next-door neighbor just told me that FEMA is seizing private donations of supplies, so people have had to put them in churches because the guvmint can't go into churches. I said "Gee, it's getting hot out here, I have to go inside."
 
Who decides what is the lie, what is the truth? I can't see further than my block so me perspective is quite limited. My ego is not so large as to presume that I have adequate knowledge and current overall picture to pontificate on truth and/or lies.
You can’t see that the claim that “they” are modifying hurricanes to target Red areas is not true (a lie, or delusion)?
 
My next-door neighbor just told me that FEMA is seizing private donations of supplies, so people have had to put them in churches because the guvmint can't go into churches. I said "Gee, it's getting hot out here, I have to go inside."
Now I understand. Government employees are vampires! That's why the police can't enter your home unless you invite them in. It finally all makes sense.
 
I think we are talking at cross purposes a bit. I didn't interpret anyone's post on here to be saying the government isn't doing anything. I believe that, in the immediate aftermath of a disaster, neighbors help neighbors. They don't sit around waiting for the government to help first. The nearest people help first and then the circle expands as the government and civilians from outside can start helping. The larger the disaster, the longer it takes to help everyone.

My brother-in-law was a city councilman for a number of years. After Katrina, I asked him how soon the city expected FEMA to step in after a natural disaster. He said the city had disaster plans in place for at least 4 days before outside help came. FEMA does a great job. They also know when to hand off certain tasks to others that are more suited to the task. For example, after Harvey, they let a faith based group continue to handle diaper distribution as they already had a plan in place.


I need to start planning for next year's mission trip. If anyone has suggestions of organizations I can approach to see how we can help next summer, please send me a message.
 
I'm becoming less calm. I should probably take an internet break.
My daughter is about a hour out from here otw back.she went up friday to cana va.took a detours to drop off winter clothes.and supplies They were for larger folks and kids.with some other things . So we are still helping .I'll get details when she gets home.
I think distribution is frustrating people i would be frustrated too .we take roads for granted and ease of access to things.
That terrain isn't easy to navigate.

Well hell they not only dropped off supplies. They eloped evidently.
 
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