2024 U.S. Presidential election

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PackMan97 said:
I really hate how this board looks down on "so-called independents". This election for many of us comes down to which of our strongly held fundamental beliefs do we want to compromise. It's not so-called or wishy-washy. It's the strong convictions that make the choice difficult.
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I think the original poster meant undecided vs independent - especially considering the follow on discussion.
 
dudog84 said:
Can anyone explain to me why DJT is up about 75% from 2 weeks ago?
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Just a wild guess. All the insider shares were unlocked. Moss and Lipinsky unloaded their $100M immediately. But perhaps all the other insiders including Trump held steady?

There's still the question of whether Trump has to disclose any massive loans he may have taken out against his shares...
 
SkyBrickey said:
Just a wild guess. All the insider shares were unlocked. Moss and Lipinsky unloaded their $100M immediately. But perhaps all the other insiders including Trump held steady?

There's still the question of whether Trump has to disclose any massive loans he may have taken out against his shares...
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Never has goodwill worked so hard to add value to a stock…
 
Furniture said:
Harris: “One difference between me and Joe Biden is that I am going to have a Republican in my cabinet”.
I had read that this sort of thing is what her campaign wanted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843695584437514605
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This used to be not at all uncommon. Obama, W, Clinton, HW, Reagan, and Carter all had a member or two of their cabinet from the opposing party. It's pretty much been an expectation as a show of unity.
 
And if she is going to do it, she would be wise to not make it the Secretary of Defense.

Part of the reason I think the Dems have been painted as soft on defense is this - how good could they be if they had to choose a Republican time and again?
 
JasonEvans said:
I mean, just days ago MTG told us that “they control the weather.”

I’m guessing the “they” is Democrats but maybe she meant Doug Emhoff.
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Sorry to say, Jason, but I think "they" are Jews. It's the common thread with MTG through Emhoff. The space lasers must have weather modification capabilities.

As always, watch your back!
 
acdevil said:
And if she is going to do it, she would be wise to not make it the Secretary of Defense.

Part of the reason I think the Dems have been painted as soft on defense is this - how good could they be if they had to choose a Republican time and again?
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I hear Michelle Morrow is on Harris' short list for Secretary of Education.
 
Rich said:
I am for a woman's right to choose, but what exactly can Harris do about this issue if she's elected? Not trying to be snarky, but the Supreme Court unfortunately struck down Roe and put this in the hands of the states regardless of how many of us feel how awful that is. It's not like Harris can address this issue by executive order or get Congress to pass legislation.

We can all agree that the two parties are apart on this issue, but in reality what can the executive branch do to impact it when elected? It's up to state referendums and legislatures to impact a woman's right in each state. Or am I missing something?
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Her position is clear. If the Dems can get to 50 in the Senate and regain control of the House, this is an issue she will push to carve out from filibuster, and the Dems will pass a bill to codify Roe which she will sign.
 
AGDukesky said:
To answer my earlier question, here are my Top Ten Reasons To Be Undecided:

10) Living under a rock
9) In a coma
8) Just recently figured out electronics
7) “Some of my personalities are pretty persuasive”
6) “It’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care”
5) “I flipped my coin REALLY high!”
4) “I can’t find Biden on the ballot for some reason?!”
3) “Decided? It’s not even November yet!”
2) “Don’t talk to me till I’ve had my coffee!”
1) “I have issues with commitment”
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Not to pick on you specifically, but there seems to be some collective amnesia on this thread around solid majorities of the electorate being very dissatisfied with their choices through much of this Presidential election cycle. Harris replacing Biden at the top of the Democratic ticket has scrambled this somewhat, but it is not like she is any short of world beater or inspirational candidate. She has run a smart campaign and seems to be distancing herself from both the Adminstration’s less popular policies and her own past dalliances with progressive pet causes, while positioning herself as a leader genuinely open to input across the political spectrum. All to positive effect in my view, enough to have convinced this independent to vote for her. I wish I had more conviction about it though, and would still probably prefer Whitmer or Shapiro at the top of the ticket, and someone other than Walz as VP, but we’re obviously well past that point. And I don’t think I’m alone in this by any means.
 
Indecision may not be between Trump and Harris. The "indecision" could be between Harris and a 3rd party candidate or not voting. Someone could be in the never Trump camp but is trying to decide between Harris or a way to get the parties to realize they need better candidates. Unfortunately, these options didn't seem to work the last two elections.
 
PackMan97 said:
I really hate how this board looks down on "so-called independents". This election for many of us comes down to which of our strongly held fundamental beliefs do we want to compromise. It's not so-called or wishy-washy. It's the strong convictions that make the choice difficult.
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Understood. Still, not all independents are centrists. As a libertarian, you may actually be to the right of the Republican party on many economic issues (e.g., taxes, spending, regulations), which I would guess have more often than not outweighed your being to the left of the party on some social issues. Still, you maintain a much more independent view of Trump than most of the current Republican party.

Thus, you don't like the choice between someone who may kick the top income tax rate a couple of percentage points vs. someone who has attempted a coup. To many, that should not be a hard choice: right side of policy (in one's view) vs. right side of history.

I do think there are many independents who pretty reliably vote for one party or the other.
 
DukieInKansas said:
Indecision may not be between Trump and Harris. The "indecision" could be between Harris and a 3rd party candidate or not voting. Someone could be in the never Trump camp but is trying to decide between Harris or a way to get the parties to realize they need better candidates. Unfortunately, these options didn't seem to work the last two elections.
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I pretty much think the "we need better candidates" thing is pretty bogus. With the exception of Trump, I'd say almost all of the recent presidential nominees have been solid, normal, in the mainstream candidates. Bill Clinton, Dole, GW Bush, Gore, Kerry, Obama, McCain, Romney, Hillary Clinton, Biden, and Harris. Sure some of them were a littler closer to the margins than others, and with real policy differences, but all were competent, reasonable people that either did or would have handled the country just fine. Many mistakes made, some very large ones, but still. None were terrible candidates.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Just a wild guess. All the insider shares were unlocked. Moss and Lipinsky unloaded their $100M immediately. But perhaps all the other insiders including Trump held steady?

There's still the question of whether Trump has to disclose any massive loans he may have taken out against his shares...
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I think it has a lot to do with Elon. Elon's fanboying (is that word) of Donald Trump is giving some people the thought that Elon will come save the company. In addition, the stock often trades on how the investor believes Trump's chances of winning are going. Lots of these investors believe that the Elon endorsement will put Donald in the winners column and make DJT a winning stock.
 
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