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2024-25 Schedule Intel
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AZ game now moved to Friday instead of Thursday. Now if someone with sources could get us the other 3 non-conference games...
Link: https://dukewire.usatoday.com/2024/07/29/duke-basketball-arizona-rescheduled-november-22-caleb-love/
Link: https://dukewire.usatoday.com/2024/07/29/duke-basketball-arizona-rescheduled-november-22-caleb-love/
UrinalCake
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Can't believe we have to face Caleb Love one more time.
Countdown is 10/4 per Goduke. This makes sense because Fall Break is the week after.
Goduke link: https://goduke.com/news/2024/7/31/mens-basketball-countdown-to-craziness-set-for-oct-4.aspx
Goduke link: https://goduke.com/news/2024/7/31/mens-basketball-countdown-to-craziness-set-for-oct-4.aspx
brevity
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We talked about the ACC Tournament format for an 18-team league in the past, but now it's official. 15 teams qualify, 5-8 seeds have a bye, 1-4 seeds have a double bye. Same format for men's and women's hoops.
theacc.com
That doesn't make sense. There are 7 teams (9-15 seeds) left to play in the first round. That's an odd number. Wouldn't the 9 seed also have to have a bye?
Day 1: 10 vs 15, 11 vs 14, 12 vs 13
Day 2: 5 vs 12/13, 6 vs 11/14, 7 vs 10/15, 8 vs 9
Day 3: 1 vs 8/9, 2 vs 7/10/15, 3 vs 6/11/14, 4 vs 5/12/13
Day 4: semifinals
Day 5: championship
They should just invite 16 teams and have 9 vs 16 on Day 1. Two afternoon games, dinner break, two evening games. Just like the other days. Slightly more inclusive, too.
Sites, Dates and Formats Announced for 2024-25 ACC Championships
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (theACC.com) – The Atlantic Coast Conference has announced its championship dates, sites and tournament formats for the 2024-25 academic year. Featuring 18 schools for the upcoming year with the addition of Cal, SMU and Stanford, the ACC sponsors 28 sports, with 15 women and 13...
theacc.com
That doesn't make sense. There are 7 teams (9-15 seeds) left to play in the first round. That's an odd number. Wouldn't the 9 seed also have to have a bye?
Day 1: 10 vs 15, 11 vs 14, 12 vs 13
Day 2: 5 vs 12/13, 6 vs 11/14, 7 vs 10/15, 8 vs 9
Day 3: 1 vs 8/9, 2 vs 7/10/15, 3 vs 6/11/14, 4 vs 5/12/13
Day 4: semifinals
Day 5: championship
They should just invite 16 teams and have 9 vs 16 on Day 1. Two afternoon games, dinner break, two evening games. Just like the other days. Slightly more inclusive, too.
Even better -- invite 16 and have a real, traditional, tournament with a simple, traditional bracket. 1 v 16, 2 v 15, 3 v 14, 4 v 13, 5 v 12, 6 v 11, 7 v 10, 8 v 9 in the first round and go from there. Need to win 4 to win it.We talked about the ACC Tournament format for an 18-team league in the past, but now it's official. 15 teams qualify, 5-8 seeds have a bye, 1-4 seeds have a double bye. Same format for men's and women's hoops.
Sites, Dates and Formats Announced for 2024-25 ACC Championships
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (theACC.com) – The Atlantic Coast Conference has announced its championship dates, sites and tournament formats for the 2024-25 academic year. Featuring 18 schools for the upcoming year with the addition of Cal, SMU and Stanford, the ACC sponsors 28 sports, with 15 women and 13...
That doesn't make sense. There are 7 teams (9-15 seeds) left to play in the first round. That's an odd number. Wouldn't the 9 seed also have to have a bye?
Day 1: 10 vs 15, 11 vs 14, 12 vs 13
Day 2: 5 vs 12/13, 6 vs 11/14, 7 vs 10/15, 8 vs 9
Day 3: 1 vs 8/9, 2 vs 7/10/15, 3 vs 6/11/14, 4 vs 5/12/13
Day 4: semifinals
Day 5: championship
They should just invite 16 teams and have 9 vs 16 on Day 1. Two afternoon games, dinner break, two evening games. Just like the other days. Slightly more inclusive, too.
brevity
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The one snag with that is that you can't play 8 games at one site in one day. Maybe you could do it like this...
Day 1: 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, 3 vs 14, 4 vs 13
Day 2: 5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, 7 vs 10, 8 vs 9
Day 3: 1/16 vs 8/9, 2/15 vs 7/10, 3/14 vs 6/11, 4/13 vs 5/12
Day 4: semifinals
Day 5: championship
DBKilby
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5 days in one city might be just too much. Especially since the committee finishes there bracket on Friday based on the last few years. I think there would be so many upsets from your idea cause players and coaches firmly in the dance would be looking ahead and lose focus and lose early.
brevity
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Not really my idea -- just spitballing on how a 16-team tournament would work at a single site, where every team has to play in the first round.
The ACC's decision is still a 5-day tournament. March 11-15, 2025 is Tuesday through Saturday. That probably works for the Selection Committee anyway; by Friday night they would know if a bubble/otherwise out team is in the ACC title game, and could swap them in or out of the field on Saturday as needed.
hallcity
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Actually, the Greensboro Coliseum could accommodate 8 games in a day. There's a basketball court on the lower level of the Coliseum that has 5,000 seats -- and I bet they could add more seats if they want. I think they play HS games there and maybe games of one of the smaller colleges in Greensboro. Play 4 games upstairs and 4 downstairs.
brevity
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Okay, I stand corrected. You CAN play 8 games in one site in one day, so long as
1) you stay in Greensboro every year;
2) ESPN is cool with broadcasting the ACC Tournament on 2 channels during their Championship Week at roughly the same time;
3) half of the bracket/fans won't complain about being on the lesser of 2 courts.
NBA Summer League is played on 2 courts in the same complex: the smaller (Cox) Pavilion and the larger Thomas & Mack Arena. Everyone knows the deal, and the games are scheduled in advance so that the more popular matchups are played in the bigger venue. I'm guessing the Summer Lakers -- even when they suck -- probably never play in the Pavilion.
hallcity
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It’s odd. Duke has started to sell season tickets but still hasn’t announced who is on the non-conference schedule or even how many games are on the season ticket. I don’t think this has happened before. I can’t imagine what’s going on. If there’s some major charity exhibition game, why not announce it? If there’s only a few nonconference games to be announced against the likes of Furman (no offense to Furman fans) why not announce them? It’s August, for goodness sakes. This should all be settled by now.
Let me clear I don't know why officially, but the one thing that jumps out at me is that IL has not announced either.
DavidBenAkiva
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Duke is playing Illinois in February. Are you thinking that Duke and the Illini would play an exhibition game? If so, I really doubt it.
No. I'm impatient, and it's wholly speculation on my part. The NBA schedule doesn't come out for a few weeks so I was thinking a venue problem--which of the 3 Duke could use. I'm not sure about the NHL schedule since I don't follow it. It could be one last contract to sign, but those games are not going to be on major TV (CW, ACCN). The open spots besides IL are pretty clear (first Nov Th/F, second Nov weekend F/M, Saturday before Christmas).
brevity
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I took this to mean that the delay in Duke (or Illinois) not announcing their non-conference schedule is due to still not knowing when in February they will play each other, or where.
As for a charity exhibition, it wouldn’t necessarily be tied to a season ticket package. Schools can do what they want. Last year, when Illinois hosted Kansas, they gave season ticket holders early access to make a separate donation/purchase. Alabama-Wake Forest was free to attend, but with a suggested donation at the door.
All this to say that any charity game in Cameron could just be announced at a later date.
hallcity
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I don't see why the exact date of a neutral site non-conference game would hold up the announcement of the home non-conference schedule when the exact dates of all of the conference games are unknown.
I can't see Duke doing a home exhibition game that's not part of the season ticket. Going through all the Iron Duke priorities to assign seats just for one game would be a major PITA.
With most team's non-conference schedules either formally announced or mostly leaked, I took a pass at comparing how Duke's reported schedule so far stacks up in comparison to its peers (or close to peers) among power conference schools in terms of "expected tough games" -- i.e., games against traditional powers, projected (per Torvik) top 40 teams, and then gave a half-point for projected top 80 games (in italics).
The last few years, teams have typically topped out at around 6-7 such games, and 5 (which Duke appears to have scheduled) is around middle of the pack. Ideally, Duke would add 1 more tough game to get to 6, but it seems like that's not going to happen.
I've got them listed in order below, although there is still some movement to come as noted below (the "more?") for the teams that haven't yet had schedules announced/leaked -- in particular, it looks like Baylor and Michigan St. (and maybe Arkansas) have more games to add.
Kudos in particular to Alabama (which has signed on for a slew of projected high level games and in addition is willing to play mid-major darling McNeese St.), North Carolina, and Texas A&M. As usual, the teams in the very best MTEs get a big boost to their schedules.
And, Dishonorable Mention goes to Indiana and Kansas St., both of whom should be ashamed as projected Top 30 teams with these schedules.
Rankings of Non-Conference Schedules by Expected Tough Games, 2024-2025
Bama (6-8): @ N. Carolina, @ Purdue, Houston, Creigh., Illinois, [2 of Rut./Notre Dame (#68); Ore./Cre/A&M/SDSU (#76) (MTE)], McNeese (#65)
N. Carolina (6-7): @ Kansas, Alabama, UCLA, Florida, [2-3 of U. Conn, Iowa St., Auburn, Mich St., Memphis, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
Texas A&M (5-8): @ UCF (#57), Purdue, Texas Tech, Ohio St., Wake Forest, San Diego St. (#76), [2 of Creigh/Oreg; Ala./Hou/Rut./ND (#68) (MTE)]
Purdue (5-6): @ Marquette, Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, [N.C. St. (#55); Miss/BYU (MTE)]
U.Conn (5-6): @ Texas, Gonzaga, Baylor, [2-3 of UNC, Iowa St., Aub, Mich St., Mem, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
Auburn (5-6+?): @ Duke, Houston, Purdue, [2-3 of UNC, Conn, Iowa St., Mich St., Memph, Dayton (MTE)] [more?]
Kansas (5-6): @ Creighton, @ Mizzou (#61), Duke, N. Carolina, Michigan St., NC St. (#55)
Creighton (5-6): @ Alabama, Kansas, [2-3 of Oregon; Tex A&M/SDSU; Ala./Hou/Rut/Notre Dame (#68) (MTE)], Nebraska (#47)
Marquette (5-6): @ Iowa St., @ Maryland, @ Dayton, Purdue, Wisconsin, Georgia (#39)
Tennessee (5-6): @ Illinois, @ Louisville (#62), Miami, [2 of Baylor, St. John’s, Virginia (MTE)], Syracuse (#72)
Michigan St. (5+?): Kansas, Baylor, [2-3 of UNC, U.Conn, Iowa St., Aub, Memph, Dayton (#58) (MTE)] [more?]
Duke (5+?): @ Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky, Auburn, Illinois [more?]
Virginia (5): @ Florida, Villanova, Memphis, [2 of Tenn, Baylor, St. John’s (MTE)]
Illinois (4-5): Duke, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennesee, Mizzou (#61)
Kentucky (4-5): @ Clemson, Duke, Gonzaga, Ohio St., Louisville (#62)
Texas (4-5): @ NC St., U.Conn, Ohio St., [1-2 of Texas Tech, Syracuse, St. Joe’s (MTE)],
Houston (3-5): Auburn, Alabama, [2 of Rutgers/Notre Dame (#68); Creigh/Ore/A&M/San Diego St. (#76) (MTE)], Butler (#77)
Iowa St. (3-5): @ Iowa, Marquette, [2-3 of UNC, U.Conn, Auburn, Mich St., Memph, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
NC St. (4+?): @ Kansas, Texas, Purdue [1 of BYU (#28) or Miss (#40) (MTE)] [more?]
Baylor (3-4+?): @ U.Conn, Mich St., [2 of Tenn, St. John’s, Virginia (#63) (MTE)] [more?]
Xavier (3-5): @ Cincy, @ TCU (#50), Wake Forest, [2 of S. Carol. (#54), Michigan/Va. Tech (#87) (MTE)]
Ohio St. (3-4): @ Texas A&M, Texas, Kentucky, Pitt (#52),
UCLA (3-4): N. Carolina, Gonzaga, Arizona, New Mexico (#81))
Michigan (3-4): Arkansas, Wake Forest, Oklahoma (#67), [1 of Xavier or S. Carolina (#54)]
Arkansas (3+): @ Miami, Illinois, Michigan [more?]
Wake Forest (3): @ Texas A&M, @ Xavier, Michigan
Clemson (2-4): @ S. Carolina (#54), @ Boise St. (#69), Kentucky, Memphis
Wisconsin (2-5+?): @ Marquette, Arizona, [2 of UCF (#57), Pitt (#52)/LSU (#59) (MTE)], Butler (#77) [more?]
Florida (2-5): N. Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia (#63), Ariz. St. (#64), @ Florida St. (#97)
St. John’s (2-5): [2 of Tennessee (#5), Baylor (#14), Virginia (MTE)], Kansas St., Georgia (#39), N. Mex. (#81)
Miami (2-4+): Tennessee, Arkansas, [could play 1-2 of VCU (#53), Nevada (#56) (MTE) ] [more?]
Oregon (2-3+?): [2-3 of Creighton; Tex. A&M/S. Diego St. (#76); Ala./Hou./Rutgers/Notre Dame (MTE)] [more],
Villanova (2-3?): Cinn, Maryland, Virginia (#63) [more?]
Cincinnati (2-3): @ Villanova, Xavier, Dayton (#58)
BYU (2-3): @ Providence (#60), Ole Miss, Purdue/NC St. (#55)
Maryland (2-3): Marquette, Villanova, Syracuse (#72)
Texas Tech (2-3): Texas A&M, [2 of Texas, Syracuse (#72), St. Joe’s (#79)]
Indiana (1-4): South Carolina (#54), [1-3 of Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville (#62), Prov (#60), Okla (#67) (MTE)],
Kansas St. (1-3): @ St. John’s, LSU (#59), [could play McNeese St. (#65) or UAB (#83) (MTE)]
The last few years, teams have typically topped out at around 6-7 such games, and 5 (which Duke appears to have scheduled) is around middle of the pack. Ideally, Duke would add 1 more tough game to get to 6, but it seems like that's not going to happen.
I've got them listed in order below, although there is still some movement to come as noted below (the "more?") for the teams that haven't yet had schedules announced/leaked -- in particular, it looks like Baylor and Michigan St. (and maybe Arkansas) have more games to add.
Kudos in particular to Alabama (which has signed on for a slew of projected high level games and in addition is willing to play mid-major darling McNeese St.), North Carolina, and Texas A&M. As usual, the teams in the very best MTEs get a big boost to their schedules.
And, Dishonorable Mention goes to Indiana and Kansas St., both of whom should be ashamed as projected Top 30 teams with these schedules.
Rankings of Non-Conference Schedules by Expected Tough Games, 2024-2025
Bama (6-8): @ N. Carolina, @ Purdue, Houston, Creigh., Illinois, [2 of Rut./Notre Dame (#68); Ore./Cre/A&M/SDSU (#76) (MTE)], McNeese (#65)
N. Carolina (6-7): @ Kansas, Alabama, UCLA, Florida, [2-3 of U. Conn, Iowa St., Auburn, Mich St., Memphis, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
Texas A&M (5-8): @ UCF (#57), Purdue, Texas Tech, Ohio St., Wake Forest, San Diego St. (#76), [2 of Creigh/Oreg; Ala./Hou/Rut./ND (#68) (MTE)]
Purdue (5-6): @ Marquette, Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M, [N.C. St. (#55); Miss/BYU (MTE)]
U.Conn (5-6): @ Texas, Gonzaga, Baylor, [2-3 of UNC, Iowa St., Aub, Mich St., Mem, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
Auburn (5-6+?): @ Duke, Houston, Purdue, [2-3 of UNC, Conn, Iowa St., Mich St., Memph, Dayton (MTE)] [more?]
Kansas (5-6): @ Creighton, @ Mizzou (#61), Duke, N. Carolina, Michigan St., NC St. (#55)
Creighton (5-6): @ Alabama, Kansas, [2-3 of Oregon; Tex A&M/SDSU; Ala./Hou/Rut/Notre Dame (#68) (MTE)], Nebraska (#47)
Marquette (5-6): @ Iowa St., @ Maryland, @ Dayton, Purdue, Wisconsin, Georgia (#39)
Tennessee (5-6): @ Illinois, @ Louisville (#62), Miami, [2 of Baylor, St. John’s, Virginia (MTE)], Syracuse (#72)
Michigan St. (5+?): Kansas, Baylor, [2-3 of UNC, U.Conn, Iowa St., Aub, Memph, Dayton (#58) (MTE)] [more?]
Duke (5+?): @ Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky, Auburn, Illinois [more?]
Virginia (5): @ Florida, Villanova, Memphis, [2 of Tenn, Baylor, St. John’s (MTE)]
Illinois (4-5): Duke, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennesee, Mizzou (#61)
Kentucky (4-5): @ Clemson, Duke, Gonzaga, Ohio St., Louisville (#62)
Texas (4-5): @ NC St., U.Conn, Ohio St., [1-2 of Texas Tech, Syracuse, St. Joe’s (MTE)],
Houston (3-5): Auburn, Alabama, [2 of Rutgers/Notre Dame (#68); Creigh/Ore/A&M/San Diego St. (#76) (MTE)], Butler (#77)
Iowa St. (3-5): @ Iowa, Marquette, [2-3 of UNC, U.Conn, Auburn, Mich St., Memph, Dayton (#58) (MTE)]
NC St. (4+?): @ Kansas, Texas, Purdue [1 of BYU (#28) or Miss (#40) (MTE)] [more?]
Baylor (3-4+?): @ U.Conn, Mich St., [2 of Tenn, St. John’s, Virginia (#63) (MTE)] [more?]
Xavier (3-5): @ Cincy, @ TCU (#50), Wake Forest, [2 of S. Carol. (#54), Michigan/Va. Tech (#87) (MTE)]
Ohio St. (3-4): @ Texas A&M, Texas, Kentucky, Pitt (#52),
UCLA (3-4): N. Carolina, Gonzaga, Arizona, New Mexico (#81))
Michigan (3-4): Arkansas, Wake Forest, Oklahoma (#67), [1 of Xavier or S. Carolina (#54)]
Arkansas (3+): @ Miami, Illinois, Michigan [more?]
Wake Forest (3): @ Texas A&M, @ Xavier, Michigan
Clemson (2-4): @ S. Carolina (#54), @ Boise St. (#69), Kentucky, Memphis
Wisconsin (2-5+?): @ Marquette, Arizona, [2 of UCF (#57), Pitt (#52)/LSU (#59) (MTE)], Butler (#77) [more?]
Florida (2-5): N. Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia (#63), Ariz. St. (#64), @ Florida St. (#97)
St. John’s (2-5): [2 of Tennessee (#5), Baylor (#14), Virginia (MTE)], Kansas St., Georgia (#39), N. Mex. (#81)
Miami (2-4+): Tennessee, Arkansas, [could play 1-2 of VCU (#53), Nevada (#56) (MTE) ] [more?]
Oregon (2-3+?): [2-3 of Creighton; Tex. A&M/S. Diego St. (#76); Ala./Hou./Rutgers/Notre Dame (MTE)] [more],
Villanova (2-3?): Cinn, Maryland, Virginia (#63) [more?]
Cincinnati (2-3): @ Villanova, Xavier, Dayton (#58)
BYU (2-3): @ Providence (#60), Ole Miss, Purdue/NC St. (#55)
Maryland (2-3): Marquette, Villanova, Syracuse (#72)
Texas Tech (2-3): Texas A&M, [2 of Texas, Syracuse (#72), St. Joe’s (#79)]
Indiana (1-4): South Carolina (#54), [1-3 of Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville (#62), Prov (#60), Okla (#67) (MTE)],
Kansas St. (1-3): @ St. John’s, LSU (#59), [could play McNeese St. (#65) or UAB (#83) (MTE)]
DavidBenAkiva
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Duke will host Wofford on November 16th according to the Terrirers IG account.