Way-Too-Early Projected Lineups and Stat Lines for the 2024-2025 Season

whereinthehellami said:
I have been loving CFOS asking podcast guests who has been the most impressive player so far in practices. I'm a little concerned that Cooper is not the first thing out of everyone's mouth. I think part of it has to do with Coop's game, where he is really good at everything but not really a master of anything. But still there is a little part of me...
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I think it is simply a matter of expectations. Everyone expected Cooper to be great, but few expected a doughy kid from Wisconsin who played in a lesser league to be this good.
 
My recollection is that Foster was our starting PG until he got injured. It seems the coaches had a lot of confidence in his game.
 
JasonEvans said:
I want to be clear that I am not predicting or expecting Tyrese or Caleb to be underwhelming this year. Scott was like "pie bet" and I would not bet against either of these guys. I am merely saying that folks who say they are locks to play big minutes could... could... be in for a surprise if both players are similar to what they were a year ago. In my opinion, given the tremendous versatility and depth of this squad, Caleb and Tyrese need to be better to get into that 30+ mpg range.

And, again, I dearly hope they do improve enough to justify gobbling up the lion's share of the minutes. That would be a great thing for Duke!
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Yup, I definitely over-simplified the hypothetical pie bet there, haha. I think your more nuanced and valid point is that the versions of Tyrese and Caleb we saw last year wouldn't necessarily be markedly better options than last year's Sion James, or perhaps even this year's K2 (if he can play a playmaking role, which some reports indicate is in the realm of possibility). The question will be whether our two returnees make the jump we typically anticipate returnees to make, which is by no means a sure thing. I think it's easier to project that jump for Caleb given the usual freshman to sophomore leap, while it's more justifiable to have some healthy skepticism about Tyrese given that his freshman to sophomore leap wasn't at the level we expected.

Regardless, I still think at the end of the day that Jon will be most comfortable with a starting backcourt that is getting 30+ mpg, at least based on the two years worth of data that we have. I think it's more likely than not that Tyrese and Caleb will be those guys, while Sion will split his time between being the third guard and playing the traditional "3". But his presence means Tyrese and Caleb have to earn those roles rather than have them handed to them, which is always a good thing.
 
brevity said:
What an ungrateful league! Oh, and it's not true. Coach K was named ACC Coach of the Year 5 times, at the end of the following seasons:

1983-1984
1985-1986
1996-1997
1998-1999
1999-2000

He did not win the conference award this century, and he has never won Associated Press Coach of the Year, a national award.
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As, for years, the best-known and most successful active hoops coach in the entire world, if I were K, I would say "piffle" about the AP omission. Lessee, 5 NCAA titles, 3 Olympic golds, and 2 FIBA world cups. Put those in your pipe and smoke 'em!
 
scottdude8 said:
I know this is super counter-intuitive, but I actually think Kon may be better able to guard opposing 2s than 3s at the college level (although it'd be a different story in the NBA). I said so on the pod earlier this summer. Why? Kon's size will give him an advantage over almost any college 2 he'd guard, which (if he's coached right) he can use to make up for any deficit in speed and mobility. At a solidly built 6-7, Kon will be able to frustrate smaller guards with his physicality and potentially recover to contest shots when he's beaten off the dribble. Against opposing 3s, however, he might be lacking in both speed and size which could pose a problem.

That said, I think we collectively need to be careful about (how do I say this delicately...) projecting onto Kon. A lot of the comparisons we're all (and I mean all, we all fall into this trap very easily) making with Kon are based on a lot of superficial elements rather than digging into the tape. Admittedly we don't have a lot of tape of Kon going up against top-quality competition in competitive settings (I refuse to draw conclusions from all-star games, haha), but from what we do know there are both positive and negative data points. Lest we forget, this clip of him locking down RJ Davis was all the rage just weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1811035095676932306

I think the first idea we get of how the staff views Kon's defense is the types of lineups he's deployed in. I've talked a lot this summer about how I think Khaman's offense will, at least initially, be ahead of his defense. If that's the case, and Khaman starts as we expect (even if he's not playing starter's minutes to start the year, I think the staff will want him starting because that'll be the optimal lineup down the stretch), my bet is that the 5th starter will be one who the staff is confident in defensively, while a more offensive-oriented wing may be the 6th man and play when Maliq gets minutes at the 5. If Kon gets the starting nod over Mason or Sion, I'm going to view that as the staff indicating their confidence in his defensive prowess based on a summer's worth of practice.

Here's the thing though, guys... WE WON'T HAVE THAT DATA POINT FOR MONTHS!!! We're arguing in circles here because every argument is hypothetical until we get more info. The fixation on the K2 question is permeating the board, which is fine (we always have a pet topic over the summer, haha), but it's getting way more heated than I can remember these summer convos typically going. I think it's fine for us all to acknowledge what we don't know, and all of us (except maybe Jason and Donald, haha) don't know a lot more than we do know about K2's game right now.
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MChambers said:
I think it is simply a matter of expectations. Everyone expected Cooper to be great, but few expected a doughy kid from Wisconsin who played in a lesser league to be this good.
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I don't think that is happing though. I feel like in past years players would say well obviously the star recruit is something else but player X has been impressive.

This seems more organic, particulary with K2.

I think of Coops senior season at Montverde. I watched a fair amount of games and Coop wasn't always the best player on the floor or having the best game but he seemed to be involved in the winning plays, sometimes pretty subtly.

Anyways not really concerned, just find it interesting. But I do wonder if Coop will feel the pressure of being a winner but maybe doesn't look as dominant as some past "generational" talents.
 
MChambers said:
I think it is simply a matter of expectations. Everyone expected Cooper to be great, but few expected a doughy kid from Wisconsin who played in a lesser league to be this good.
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Worth noting that CFos often frames this question as the "guy who has impressed you the most" but I feel like he has said "guy who has surprised you the most." Regardless, the point about Cooper having already very high expectations matters. I would imagine that if you asked someone in the mid-90s about the most impressive player in the Chicago Bulls preseason workouts, they likely would have identified someone other than Jordan because you already knew Jordan was a beast.
Maged said:
My recollection is that Foster was our starting PG until he got injured. It seems the coaches had a lot of confidence in his game.
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Well... Proctor was the starter the first 8 games until he got hurt at Ga Tech. CFos started in his place while TP was hurt and then for the first few games after Tyrese came back. Proctor eventually won the starting job back but then got hurt again. This resulted in Foster being the starter for a few games until his season got shut down by injury.

Bottom line -- Proctor seemed to be the preferred PG for much the season and was really only supplanted by Foster when injuries cropped up.
 
JasonEvans said:
Not singling Luke out for the above as I have seen a lot lot lot of people say the same thing he wrote. But I do want to point out one thing --

I am not entirely convinced that Proctor and Foster will "play a lot" next season. They were both somewhat disappointing last year and need to make improvements to justify big minutes on this extremely talented and deep squad.

Proctor came into his soph campaign as a likely lottery pick (some had him pegged in the top 5 of the lottery). CBS had him ranked among the top 25 players in the sport. He didn't even sniff honorable mention All-ACC. His stats were largely the same as his freshman year and to say he was up and down would be an understatement -- I mean, dude ended his year by shooting 0-9 against NC State. If he does not take a step up from what we have seen for two years, he does not deserve to play 30 minutes per game.

Caleb Foster was invisible at times. He had a usage rate of 16%, far and away the lowest of any of our top 6 players. He had more games where he scored 5 points or less than games where he cracked double-digits. Sure, he hit 40.6% of his 3s, but his 2pt FG% was 45.9%, easily the worst of any of the top 8 players. I mean, given that maybe it is good that he basically did nothing on offense for the most part.

Why are we just assuming that Foster is going to start and play big minutes when Sion James was a vastly superior player a year ago and plays largely the same position?

If Ty and Caleb have improved over last season... if they play the way their reputations indicate they can... then will absolutely be major players for this team. But if they are mostly the players we saw just a few months ago, Duke likely has better options on the roster.

Am I dead wrong about their play a year ago? Feel free to call me out.
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I'll call you out as wrong! Not about their play from a year ago, but about the likelihood of them playing "a lot". For two reasons.

It goes back to actions > words. Given his success seemingly handpicking portal players based on fit, it follows that Scheyer chose not to address any glaring needs at our guard spots - opting instead for a surgical addition in James that can play the 2 or 3. This seems to indicate Scheyer believes the PG slot is covered between Proctor/Foster. So you have 40 minutes right there that those two guys have to play. That's already getting close to playing "a lot". Any amount of time either of those guys plays at the "other guard" spot would indicate they're playing ~25 mpg or more. That's a lot. I'd venture it wildly unlikely that a combination of sophomore Caleb Foster or junior Tyrese Proctor improves so little that they do not command the PG spot all season long. Is it possible that one plays 30+ minutes at PG and the other drops down to 10- minutes as the backup PG and no further playing time? I guess. But I see no reason to bet that way.

Second reason is, YMMV, politics. As much as people talk [see what I did there?] about meritocracies at Duke and competition for minutes etc, in this NIL world you have to, at least somewhat, pick your horses and then run them. There's no avoiding it. It's just a question of degree. Foster now hosts the pod formerly hosted by Ryan Young. Foster and Proctor have been plastered in media. They are the faces. That's not accidental and it's not necessarily due to merit. We all want it to be, but it's simply not. If either Proctor or Foster simply cannot hang next year and must be benched, I trust Scheyer will do that. But it won't be for lack of trying. The media and availability of, say, James will be increased if that's just where we get to but we will have to get there in a relatively clear and unmistakable. way.

Tell me I'm wrong, Jason!

- Chillin
 
MChambers said:
I think it is simply a matter of expectations. Everyone expected Cooper to be great, but few expected a doughy kid from Wisconsin who played in a lesser league to be this good.
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This actually is something happening everywhere, not just DBR. I checked a 2025 draft thread in /rNBA (reddit) and every mention of Kon Kneuppel was that he's overrated and way too high in the rankings. I believe you're right, it's because of the way K2 looks. Some people just don't want to believe he's a legit NBA prospect.

I'm not sure how this became such a polarizing subject. There's clearly people who either have contempt for K2 or for the people who are excited for him. That's just dumb IMO. Posting a clip of him guarding RJ Davis and sarcastically saying he'll be the best defender on the team is just childish. Nobody ever said he was going to be that. And, I've personally never once compared him to Luka Doncic, although there are clearly some shades of Luka in K2's game, that's just not a realistic level for him to reach.

Just let people be excited, that's the whole point of the offseason. There's no reason to argue about this.
 
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kAzE said:
This actually is something happening everywhere, not just DBR. I checked a 2025 draft thread in /rNBA (reddit) and every mention of Kon Kneuppel was that he's overrated and way too high in the rankings. I believe you're right, it's because of the way K2 looks. Some people just don't want to believe he's a legit NBA prospect.

I'm not sure how this became such a polarizing subject. There's clearly people who either have contempt for K2 or for the people who are excited for him. That's just dumb IMO. Posting a clip of him guarding RJ Davis and sarcastically saying he'll be the best defender on the team is just childish. Nobody ever said he was going to be that. And, I've personally never once compared him to Luka Doncic, although there are clearly some shades of Luka in K2's game, that's just not a realistic level for him to reach.

Just let people be excited, that's the whole point of the offseason. There's no reason to argue about this.
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General rule: ignore internet comments, unless they contain some good new material. commenters ae the loud 1-2 percent who are just just ranting.
 
ChillinDuke said:
I'll call you out as wrong! Not about their play from a year ago, but about the likelihood of them playing "a lot". For two reasons.

It goes back to actions > words. Given his success seemingly handpicking portal players based on fit, it follows that Scheyer chose not to address any glaring needs at our guard spots - opting instead for a surgical addition in James that can play the 2 or 3. This seems to indicate Scheyer believes the PG slot is covered between Proctor/Foster. So you have 40 minutes right there that those two guys have to play. That's already getting close to playing "a lot". Any amount of time either of those guys plays at the "other guard" spot would indicate they're playing ~25 mpg or more. That's a lot. I'd venture it wildly unlikely that a combination of sophomore Caleb Foster or junior Tyrese Proctor improves so little that they do not command the PG spot all season long. Is it possible that one plays 30+ minutes at PG and the other drops down to 10- minutes as the backup PG and no further playing time? I guess. But I see no reason to bet that way.

Second reason is, YMMV, politics. As much as people talk [see what I did there?] about meritocracies at Duke and competition for minutes etc, in this NIL world you have to, at least somewhat, pick your horses and then run them. There's no avoiding it. It's just a question of degree. Foster now hosts the pod formerly hosted by Ryan Young. Foster and Proctor have been plastered in media. They are the faces. That's not accidental and it's not necessarily due to merit. We all want it to be, but it's simply not. If either Proctor or Foster simply cannot hang next year and must be benched, I trust Scheyer will do that. But it won't be for lack of trying. The media and availability of, say, James will be increased if that's just where we get to but we will have to get there in a relatively clear and unmistakable. way.

Tell me I'm wrong, Jason!

- Chillin
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I think you make some very good points and -- again -- I am not saying I expect Ty and CFos to have smaller roles... but I am not so sure the story you are spinning is entirely correct.

RE: "Actions > words" -- Duke was at least somewhat involved with several guard prospects during the portal prior to landing Sion James. I can recall talk that Duke was linked to Koby Brae, Malik Mack, Wooga Poplar, and a few other guards. Now, it is hard to know how much or that was just kicking the tires and covering your bases and how much of it was a real desire to find another starting option in the backcourt but the bottom line is that a little more than a month after the season was over, Duke had in fact landed a guard with NBA-level talent who will very much push Foster and Proctor. Put another way, Duke's "actions" sure seemed like a team that wanted a high level portal guard.

RE: Politics -- With only two significant players returning, Duke really had no choice but to make either Foster or Proctor the host of the Brotherhood Podcast. It would just be silly to hand that role to a total newcomer who was still learning his way around campus. And while I personally think it would be fun for Stanley Borden (for example) to host the BroPod, the team needs to be seen highlighting one of its main players. It just so happens that both of those players are returning guards so we had to highlight one of them. I don't see it as all that meaningful in terms of a vote of confidence in their ability to improve on last season's performances by each of these guys.

Lastly, regarding your comment about the two of them sucking up all the minutes at PG, I have to dispute that as a point for both of them being automatic 25+mpg players. First of all, Sion James played some PG last year for Tulane and I know for a fact that NBA scouts say they think he could have a future at that position. Many folks say Kon and Cooper have the ability to play a point-forward kind of role. But even if we put that aside and assign all the PG minutes to just the two returnees, it does not mean both of them will be major minute getters. Let's say Proctor plays 30 mpg at PG and Foster plays the other 10. That does not necessarily mean that Foster plays 15+ additional minutes on the wing. My point all along has been that folks who are assuming that TP and CFos are assured playing 25+ mins per game could be wrong. There is a realistic scenario where at least one of those two comes up short of that and finds himself seriously pushed by the cadre of other guards/wings already on the roster.

I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. I see very, very little being assured on this roster with the depth of competition at every position.
 
JasonEvans said:
I think you make some very good points and -- again -- I am not saying I expect Ty and CFos to have smaller roles... but I am not so sure the story you are spinning is entirely correct.

RE: "Actions > words" -- Duke was at least somewhat involved with several guard prospects during the portal prior to landing Sion James. I can recall talk that Duke was linked to Koby Brae, Malik Mack, Wooga Poplar, and a few other guards. Now, it is hard to know how much or that was just kicking the tires and covering your bases and how much of it was a real desire to find another starting option in the backcourt but the bottom line is that a little more than a month after the season was over, Duke had in fact landed a guard with NBA-level talent who will very much push Foster and Proctor. Put another way, Duke's "actions" sure seemed like a team that wanted a high level portal guard.

RE: Politics -- With only two significant players returning, Duke really had no choice but to make either Foster or Proctor the host of the Brotherhood Podcast. It would just be silly to hand that role to a total newcomer who was still learning his way around campus. And while I personally think it would be fun for Stanley Borden (for example) to host the BroPod, the team needs to be seen highlighting one of its main players. It just so happens that both of those players are returning guards so we had to highlight one of them. I don't see it as all that meaningful in terms of a vote of confidence in their ability to improve on last season's performances by each of these guys.

Lastly, regarding your comment about the two of them sucking up all the minutes at PG, I have to dispute that as a point for both of them being automatic 25+mpg players. First of all, Sion James played some PG last year for Tulane and I know for a fact that NBA scouts say they think he could have a future at that position. Many folks say Kon and Cooper have the ability to play a point-forward kind of role. But even if we put that aside and assign all the PG minutes to just the two returnees, it does not mean both of them will be major minute getters. Let's say Proctor plays 30 mpg at PG and Foster plays the other 10. That does not necessarily mean that Foster plays 15+ additional minutes on the wing. My point all along has been that folks who are assuming that TP and CFos are assured playing 25+ mins per game could be wrong. There is a realistic scenario where at least one of those two comes up short of that and finds himself seriously pushed by the cadre of other guards/wings already on the roster.

I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. I see very, very little being assured on this roster with the depth of competition at every position.
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Over two seasons (67 games, I'm not counting the GT injury game), Tyrese has played less than 20 minutes in four games, three of which were blowouts. He has played over 30 minutes in 34 games in the same time frame. Anyone thinking he should play fewer minutes has a bad case of SNTS. There may be a pill for that, but I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I can't be sure.

Only Malik Mack qualifies as a PG of the players you mentioned, and, as you wrote, we have yet to learn how real the pursuit was. I am not as high on Sion as you are, but I think he will be a great addition. Saying he can play PG is a stretch. Heck, kenpom lists him as a PF (shocked me).

Cooper will share playmaking duties with Tyrese, but I still expect Tyrese to cover the lion's share. As for Kon, the less said, the better in my book.

Caleb is a different duck (did we ever establish who is tougher, the goose or the duck), but tenure counts for something. I am going to assume it has happened in the past, but I can't remember the last time a returning player who had a good season prior played fewer minutes the following season. Yes, Caleb (and Tyrese) will face more competition for minutes than any past returners did, but both have proven to be good/very good ACC players. Do they have areas for improvement? Sure, but so does every other wing option not named Cooper.
 
JasonEvans said:
I think you make some very good points and -- again -- I am not saying I expect Ty and CFos to have smaller roles... but I am not so sure the story you are spinning is entirely correct.

RE: "Actions > words" -- Duke was at least somewhat involved with several guard prospects during the portal prior to landing Sion James. I can recall talk that Duke was linked to Koby Brae, Malik Mack, Wooga Poplar, and a few other guards. Now, it is hard to know how much or that was just kicking the tires and covering your bases and how much of it was a real desire to find another starting option in the backcourt but the bottom line is that a little more than a month after the season was over, Duke had in fact landed a guard with NBA-level talent who will very much push Foster and Proctor. Put another way, Duke's "actions" sure seemed like a team that wanted a high level portal guard.

RE: Politics -- With only two significant players returning, Duke really had no choice but to make either Foster or Proctor the host of the Brotherhood Podcast. It would just be silly to hand that role to a total newcomer who was still learning his way around campus. And while I personally think it would be fun for Stanley Borden (for example) to host the BroPod, the team needs to be seen highlighting one of its main players. It just so happens that both of those players are returning guards so we had to highlight one of them. I don't see it as all that meaningful in terms of a vote of confidence in their ability to improve on last season's performances by each of these guys.

Lastly, regarding your comment about the two of them sucking up all the minutes at PG, I have to dispute that as a point for both of them being automatic 25+mpg players. First of all, Sion James played some PG last year for Tulane and I know for a fact that NBA scouts say they think he could have a future at that position. Many folks say Kon and Cooper have the ability to play a point-forward kind of role. But even if we put that aside and assign all the PG minutes to just the two returnees, it does not mean both of them will be major minute getters. Let's say Proctor plays 30 mpg at PG and Foster plays the other 10. That does not necessarily mean that Foster plays 15+ additional minutes on the wing. My point all along has been that folks who are assuming that TP and CFos are assured playing 25+ mins per game could be wrong. There is a realistic scenario where at least one of those two comes up short of that and finds himself seriously pushed by the cadre of other guards/wings already on the roster.

I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. I see very, very little being assured on this roster with the depth of competition at every position.
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Azzef mostly rebutted as I would have but nonetheless...

None of the guys you mentioned are PGs except Mack, who was an Ivy standout as a freshman (not sure we would have been anointing him as the cure for any perceived PG troubles). [He's also 6'1" so clearly didn't qualify for Scheyer's 6'5" minimum height requirement on the team] Brea, in particular, was a coveted shooter nationwide, not a PG. Poplar is also in no way a PG. So not sure how your list indicates the PG slot wasn't covered in Scheyer's eyes. I think we were trying to find shooters to put around Cooper and/or guard depth, which we ultimately found in Sion. PG is still 40mpg covered by Ty and CFos, in my eyes.

I hear you on politics but did Duke really have no choice? In a year with four returning starters, including beloved senior Jeremy Roach, the Brotherhood Pod was hosted by...transfer Ryan Young. I get it was Young's second year in the program, but still. Young was also not exactly a "main player" last year at 11.8 mpg (7th on the team).

"Automatic 25+ mpg players", fair enough, we can all concede that nothing is automatic. And I conceded the 30/10 mpg scenario in my post as a possibility. I just don't think it's all that likely. Like you went to a place (and then rightfully set aside) where freshman Kon is a point-forward on this team sucking up minutes from one of our two returning, natural guards. Are we really pedaling that as a scenario worth considering as opposed to the much more obvious answer that Tyrese and Proctor continue to improve and solidify their natural positions? I get it's possible but so is, well, anything.

- Chillin
 
kAzE said:
This actually is something happening everywhere, not just DBR. I checked a 2025 draft thread in /rNBA (reddit) and every mention of Kon Kneuppel was that he's overrated and way too high in the rankings. I believe you're right, it's because of the way K2 looks. Some people just don't want to believe he's a legit NBA prospect.

I'm not sure how this became such a polarizing subject. There's clearly people who either have contempt for K2 or for the people who are excited for him. That's just dumb IMO. Posting a clip of him guarding RJ Davis and sarcastically saying he'll be the best defender on the team is just childish. Nobody ever said he was going to be that. And, I've personally never once compared him to Luka Doncic, although there are clearly some shades of Luka in K2's game, that's just not a realistic level for him to reach.

Just let people be excited, that's the whole point of the offseason. There's no reason to argue about this.
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I don't get how this is interpreted as "contempt for K2". Some people just have different opinions and speculation on how effective K2 will be in his freshman year. I agree that a either-or of contempt for K2 vs. being excited for him is plain dumb. But I also don't think that reflects the sentiment overall that has been expressed in the debate on this thread.

I would love to see Kon meet or blow everyone's expectations out of the water. I would love to see Kon be a regular and vital cog in a national contender machine. Wanting to see that happen and expecting to see that happen can be two different things coming from the same person.
 
I think a fully healthy, third year Tyrese Proctor will be a steady 25-30mpg performer for us. I'm not expecting him to score a ton. I'm only expecting him to be incrementally better than last year. But with his high assist to turnover ratio and great on the ball defense, I think he's plenty capable of being one of the best PGs in the ACC and leading us to a national championship. I could see him coming back for his senior year. I don't see elite NBA playmaking or scoring in his game. But maybe he'll show it this season.

I am a lot higher on Caleb than most. I expect him to have a breakout second year. Early last season we saw flashes of that top 20 recruit who could create his own offense. I felt like Jon reigned him in behind Jeremy and Jared until Tyrese got hurt and he had to step in as PG. Our record was very good (maybe 1 loss?) with Caleb starting at PG. Again it seemed like Jon was just asking him to be steady with the ball and focus on defense and not try to do too much.

Caleb was a 40%+ 3 point shooter. He will be great this season pushing the fastbreak with Cooper and Brown and others. My best guess is either Caleb or Kon will be our second leading scorer at 12-13ppg.

I hope Sion's game translates. I think it probably will but I'm expecting more of a steady veteran than an offensive star. We need all three of these guys at the 1/2 this year. We could see like a 30/27/23 minutes split during competitive games.
 
kAzE said:
This actually is something happening everywhere, not just DBR. I checked a 2025 draft thread in /rNBA (reddit) and every mention of Kon Kneuppel was that he's overrated and way too high in the rankings. I believe you're right, it's because of the way K2 looks. Some people just don't want to believe he's a legit NBA prospect.

I'm not sure how this became such a polarizing subject. There's clearly people who either have contempt for K2 or for the people who are excited for him. That's just dumb IMO. Posting a clip of him guarding RJ Davis and sarcastically saying he'll be the best defender on the team is just childish. Nobody ever said he was going to be that. And, I've personally never once compared him to Luka Doncic, although there are clearly some shades of Luka in K2's game, that's just not a realistic level for him to reach.

Just let people be excited, that's the whole point of the offseason. There's no reason to argue about this.
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Nobody on here has suggested Kon was a Luka-level talent. We've only said he has aspects of his game that are Luka-like. I can't imagine how this is controversial.

The No Ceilings guys watch extensive tape and live action of all the top college and international prospects. I'm paraphrasing them here from their detailed breakdown on Kon. "When you see Kon making these plays with the ball, it's clear he's been watching tape of Luka".

They aren't saying he's a Luka-level talent either. But they love his offensive game.
 
ChillinDuke said:
"Automatic 25+ mpg players", fair enough, we can all concede that nothing is automatic.
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My work here is done.
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I keed, I keed. I don't need to continue this as I think I have made my point. And, once again, I dearly hope my point is moot and never comes to pass. No one is rooting harder for Tyrese and Caleb to be All-ACC level studs this year than me!
 
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