they've already shown they can't evaluate OL particularly well, including the center they drafter who can't snap the ball very well. I think it's survive and advance time for Daniel, gut out this year, look for a competent landing spot next year.
The saga of Daniel Jones thread
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they've already shown they can't evaluate OL particularly well, including the center they drafter who can't snap the ball very well. I think it's survive and advance time for Daniel, gut out this year, look for a competent landing spot next year.
CrazyNotCrazie
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They focused on OL in free agency - I think they got two potential starters plus two others. Obviously you can never have too many though. He has never really had a star quality receiver (preferably a taller one). Obviously there is a bit of chicken and the egg because without a decent line to give him time to pass, the star receiver doesn't have time to go very far. What they do also depends on if Darren Waller retires, which he has been discussing. I would love to get a TE like Brock Bowers. Seems like he might be a reach at 6 but could be good at 11 (though I have seen a few people saying the Jets might take him at 10).
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
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Woohoo! Love having Bobo on my Seahawks.
nocilla
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I believe they have a new offensive line coach as well. Hopefully the changes pay dividends.
bundabergdevil
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HBO (can’t call it Max) is doing a new Hard Knocks “Off-season” that focuses on the NY Giants. I’m just one episode in but there has as you’d expect been a lot of focus on Daniel, his contract and his rehab process.
good possibility of a big Daboll meltdown...increasing signs he does not play well with others. Survive this season, Daniel, then get out of town to a competent organization.
HereBeforeCoachK
On Holiday
Hate to bring this up, but I questioned DJ's really hard line negotiating before last season, given that he was very recently even in good graces with the majority of the fan base. I thought in the long run that would bite him...and based on Giants forums and the like, he daily catches grief about his contract. Sometimes the quick dollar is not the best play long run. I was lit up around here for that. While the final chapter is not written yet, I stand by my instincts.
Given the management of the Giants, I say good for him. He's really got only two guaranteed years. I think he did exactly the right thing...what does he have then, $80 million guaranteed? So he's set for life and after this year, the schizo Giants can select someone they actually like, and Jones and his agent can seek out a more hospitable landing spot.
As for "hard line negotiating," what was he supposed to do? Each player has to look out for himself, anyone else in his right mind would have done what Daniel did...
JasonEvans
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Well, I'd say Daniel has about 92 million reasons to not GAF what the fans think about his "hard line" on his contract.
Another wrinkle which benefits Jones (I had not known this) that while 2025 isn't guaranteed, it IS guaranteed to the tune of $23 million against injury https://www.nj.com/sports/2024/05/g...sful 2022 campaign,if this season goes poorly.
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
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Yeah. Cash pays bills. Goodwill burns out in very short order, sometimes out of one's own control.Well, I'd say Daniel has about 92 million reasons to not GAF what the fans think about his "hard line" on his contract.
HereBeforeCoachK
On Holiday
False choice. He was going to have generational money regardless. The notion that he's only in fat city because he negotiated hard is, well, absurd. The real figure, which we'll never know, is how much endorsement money did he NOT make because he turned NY city fans, the LARGEST ADVERTISING MARKET IN THE WORLD...against him.. In a city like NY, there's every reason to believe he'd have more than made up any money left on the table with a team friendly deal in endorsements. The Giants would have a better roster too.Well, I'd say Daniel has about 92 million reasons to not GAF what the fans think about his "hard line" on his contract.
A guy named Brady barely scraped by with multiple contract reductions to allow his team to sign other players. I think those improved teams had a bit of success in the post season, but what does Brady know? He's not the butt of jokes in the media capital of the world.
sagegrouse
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Wasn't Brady already fabulously rich when he made those sacrifices, and isn't this Daniel's first big contract?
HereBeforeCoachK
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Well a couple things: first both inflation and then QB pay hyper inflation have changed the game. Generational wealth on your first big contract was not really possible at Brady's first big contract, which, secondly, by the way happened after he had a Super Bowl. Third, Brady never angered the fans of NE the way DJ did the fans in NY.
Either way, DJ was going to end up fabulously rich.....but with a team friendly deal, he would not be hated in NY City like he is now in many quarters, he would therefore have more endorsement money for sure, and I would think life would be happier. At some point the short term maxing out of the money is not really necessarily the greatest choice.
I want DJ to have the best career possible. I don't think the way he handled his contract is going to facilitate that. I think it will cost him, yes, MONEY and fans in the long run. I think this maximize every dollar today mindset is often not the best long term result. At what point Brady learned it, he learned it.....there's no law that sez other QBs have to wait to learn it. We are all allowed to learn from Brady. I wish DJ had.
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
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I mean, maybe.
1) There's absolutely no reason to assume that the Giants would have built a winning team around Jones with the extra flexibility a team friendly contract would have offered
2) NY fans are notoriously fickle. Even with a team-friendly contract there's absolutely no guarantee that the fans wouldn't decide he's a bum on different merits
3) Sure TB12 is an excellent example of one way to build a winner. But the Patriots were Super Bowl Champions before he got a big contract.
4) I don't think inflation plays a marked role in any of these dynamics. Yes there is inflation, but it's completely peanuts compared to the ridiculous rise in QB money.
Why should Daniel Jones be expected on any level to sacrifice his potential earnings? The (very few) players who make those sorts of team-friendly decisions have usually already won rings and are much closer to the end of their career than Jones (we hope).
You can feel however you want to about Daniel Jones - that's certainly your right. But if a team makes an offer and he accepted it, I'm not blaming the player. If I'm a disgruntled Giants fan, I'm asking the GM questions, not Jones.
sagegrouse
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Staying healthy and winning games will bring the Giants' fans around.
CameronBornAndBred
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They won't care about his health so much as long as he wins. Good thing for Daniel, he's used to playing in a body cast.
Comparing DJ's situation and Brady's situations just doesn't work.
Brady was surrounded by a coach and an organization that was capable of upgrading the talent around him. DJ very much isn't. The entire league knew that the Giants had to make big strides with their OLs and WRs, and four seasons later, that still hasn't happened. Why would he expect a contract sacrifice to result in better talent around him?
Brady had an OL to protect him and didn't need to run the ball. DJ doesn't have those luxuries. DJ runs for his life every game and knows he need to fight for every yard, and he already has had two serious injuries because of it. If he gets a third serious injury this year, whether or not the team bears any blame, the Giants will almost certainly move on and DJ will be labelled injury-prone.
Brady had an effective organization that backed him every step of the way. DJ doesn't. The GM flat-out admitted that the Giants screwed up DJ's development pretty much every way they could. When DJ helped carry the team to the playoffs anyway, the press still struggled to extract compliments about his play from Daboll. Then throw in rumors of how messy Daboll's management style is. Would you sacrifice your payday for that kind of organization?
I think it would have been a viable move for DJ to make the contract sacrifice you suggested, and might have worked out for him. But given the way the deck is stacked against him, I totally understand why DJ took his payday.
HereBeforeCoachK
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Except for DeSaun Watson, DJ's endorsement income is by far the lowest of any highly paid NFL player according to Forbes. He probably loses 8-10 million a year of endorsement income - considering he's in the largest media market in the world - Mahomes endorsement income is almost 15X Daniel, and of course that's mostly national, because he's in a tiny media market. Athletes in NYC have tremendous endorsement income just in their home market. DJ has almost none of that. They don't like him. And the reason is largely due to how he negotiated. There is significant evidence that taking 6-8 M a year less would have brought him more than that in endorsement income and he would certainly be a lot more popular among the fans and maybe the lockerroom....which speaks to endorsement income for the future as well. Short term maximization is not the only way to go. In fact it rarely is.