FB (Gator Bowl): Ole Miss 52, Duke 20

YmoBeThere said:
Welcome to corporate America students. Time for clawback provisions. FWIW, I would have presumed that NIL payments were pro-rata over some period of time.

College football now equals minor league football. I haven't watched much of my other alma mater's basketball because their was a complete turnover of coaches and 90% of players.

The Gator Bowl will likely be the last CFB game I watch in its entirety.
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This is where I'm heading.
 
YmoBeThere said:
Welcome to corporate America students. Time for clawback provisions. FWIW, I would have presumed that NIL payments were pro-rata over some period of time.

College football now equals minor league football. I haven't watched much of my other alma mater's basketball because their was a complete turnover of coaches and 90% of players.

The Gator Bowl will likely be the last CFB game I watch in its entirety.
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Clawbacks and pro-rata depend on the market. If Duke offers him $x with a clawback but relatively equivalent school offers him roughly the same amount without a clawback, they will go to the other school. Unfortunately, it seems like the mighty dollar is the sole determining factor for some kids. It is up to Duke's coaches to find kids who value the Duke education and experience, because that is our differentiating factor. I would hope there are enough players to field a football team out there who are not solely in it for the biggest bid and will consider that.

But maybe I'm just a wild eyed idealist. The whole thing just stinks.
 
CrazyNotCrazie said:
Clawbacks and pro-rata depend on the market. If Duke offers him $x with a clawback but relatively equivalent school offers him roughly the same amount without a clawback, they will go to the other school. Unfortunately, it seems like the mighty dollar is the sole determining factor for some kids. It is up to Duke's coaches to find kids who value the Duke education and experience, because that is our differentiating factor. I would hope there are enough players to field a football team out there who are not solely in it for the biggest bid and will consider that.

But maybe I'm just a wild eyed idealist. The whole thing just stinks.
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You mean you're like Billy Mumphrey? Oh wait, he was a cockeyed optimist - is that the same thing:D:p?
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
you're talking about the issue of the QB...I'm talking about a lot more than that. The earth has shifted out from under college sports, and we're not gonna like where it ends up. MP was talking about his lack of interest going forward....period. He's not alone.
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TBD in my opinion...I sure don't mind our acquisition of James-Brown in the portal...one and done changed everything but somehow we adapted...
 
budwom said:
TBD in my opinion...I sure don't mind our acquisition of James-Brown in the portal...one and done changed everything but somehow we adapted...
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well of COURE it's TBD......but what has been determined in the last 18 months tends to support a certain course that a small minority have predicted and been insulted over as a result...chickens coming home to roost and all of that.
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
you're talking about the issue of the QB...I'm talking about a lot more than that. The earth has shifted out from under college sports, and we're not gonna like where it ends up. MP was talking about his lack of interest going forward....period. He's not alone.
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Yeah, I admit my interest is a function of my affection for my alma mater, so the more tenuous the connection between student and athlete the less my interest. I’m fine with athletes being paid and all that, but I’m simply am not interested in minor league professional football. The NFL is not only superior, it also has rules designed to ensure fair competition among teams with disparate market/financial profiles.
 
Mike Petrik said:
Yeah, I admit my interest is a function of my affection for my alma mater, so the more tenuous the connection between student and athlete the less my interest. I’m fine with athletes being paid and all that, but I’m simply am not interested in minor league professional football. The NFL is not only superior, it also has rules designed to ensure fair competition among teams with disparate market/financial profiles.
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I think it's maybe a 60-40 chance that this is going to, over a few years, dilute and shrink the combined interest in college sports. Some comments from Nick Saban and Nina King and others indicate that perhaps...perhaps...they sense this too. I am reading between the lines here a bit, but that's allowed since I admit I'm doing that.

FWIW It would appear the country can support about 30-32 pro teams per sport. And even that seems now to. depend on the streams and clicks and money generated by gambling. College sports are seeing that interest tick up, along with the short term novelty interest in teams re tooling every year, plus the attendant conference re alignments. That "new conference" and "new coach" and "new roster" smell is a bit intoxicating now. Will it start to stink?

Along with the very creative ways you can gamble....

But that's not the underpininngs of college sports. Will it all be "horse racing" at some point? And if so, will people GAF? I'm pretty clear on record around here for a couple years in predicting this. So far I look pretty accurate, I'm sad to say.
 
75Crazie said:
And yet, college football (as well as basketball) has functioned as exactly that for decades now. I guess I don't understand how that realization is only now becoming apparent to (evidently) a lot of people.
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This.

In basketball, we are an apex predator when it comes to getting transfers if we want them. In football, we are part of the flock that has to fight from getting picked over. it's just a different end of the hunt.
 
OldPhiKap said:
This.

In basketball, we are an apex predator when it comes to getting transfers if we want them. In football, we are part of the flock that has to fight from getting picked over. it's just a different end of the hunt.
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Great point. I am guilty of this as much as anyone. We whine about football players coming and going yet celebrate poaching Brown from Syracuse for the basketball team (I put players who transfer after getting their degrees in a different bucket than those who leave earlier in their career).
 
75Crazie said:
And yet, college football (as well as basketball) has functioned as exactly that for decades now. I guess I don't understand how that realization is only now becoming apparent to (evidently) a lot of people.
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I agree it has had that function, but not "simply" that function, unlike minor league baseball. I should have made that clearer in my post. My point stands: the more tenuous the connection between student and athlete, the less my interest. I realize others come out differently, and that is fine. I think HereBeforeCoachK is right that there is a risk that lots of fans are like me, but my best guess is that most are not and college sports will continue to flourish even as it mutates into simply fielding the best team each school can buy each year. I'm good with that, I just won't watch.
 
OldPhiKap said:
This.

In basketball, we are an apex predator when it comes to getting transfers if we want them. In football, we are part of the flock that has to fight from getting picked over. it's just a different end of the hunt.
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I agree, and that is exactly why my passion for Duke basketball has devolved into mere interest.
 
OldPhiKap said:
This.

In basketball, we are an apex predator when it comes to getting transfers if we want them. In football, we are part of the flock that has to fight from getting picked over. it's just a different end of the hunt.
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it would surprise many to hear that, according to a connected poster elsewhere, that Duke has not been outbid a single time for football NIL money. Does not mean we are spending as much as some, but because Duke is quiet about a lot of this stuff people reach conclusions that are not necessarily correct.
 
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