FB: Duke 29, N.C. State 19

luvdahops said:
Very true. But the flip side is that with the portal, starter caliber QBs can no longer be expected to wait as long for their turn to play. Not a Duke-specific issue by any means, and a phenomenon that actually seems to be helping CFB parity, at least among the power conferences.
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True. But I think we have to trust Manny’s judgment on who are our best qb prospects based on what he sees in practice every day. He sees a whole lot more than we do. It’s not easy
 
moonpie23 said:
negative.....even jerry aint gonna hire the coach with the distinction of having the LARGEST FINE FOR CHEATING levied against an NFL coach in NFL history......that will be left up to david tepper....
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yeah but Bill knows where all the good massage parlors are, courtesy of Bob Kraft...(me, I don't think the Belichick fine would bother Jerry at all, but he's the world's smartest man so whatever he does is bound to work.
 
Skydog said:
Six times in a game I have possession of the ball but I say “Here, you take it. See what you can do” and I still outscore you. I'm not the better team?

I get your argument that the turnovers themselves mean SMU is weak but I don't think that argument holds. Turnovers are one of the least stable metrics in football. A good team can be +8 one season and -7 the next. Happens all the time.
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RIGHT ON. We get 14 possessions and they get 8 (just making the numbers up) and we still can't win... c''mon. Thus the article I quoted. At +3 turnover ratio you win an absurd amount of the time. At plus 5 TO RATIO almost no one can find a way to lose. The article didn't even go to plus 6. To lose with a plus 6 turnover ratio is unheard of. I think they quoted after the game that has only happened twice (including the Duke SMU game) in 20 years of football. That has to be 27,000 games! 125 FBS teams x 11 games per season x 20 seasons. Only twice has any team overcome -6 turnover ratio. TWICE
 
Skydog said:
Six times in a game I have possession of the ball but I say “Here, you take it. See what you can do” and I still outscore you. I'm not the better team?

I get your argument that the turnovers themselves mean SMU is weak but I don't think that argument holds. Turnovers are one of the least stable metrics in football. A good team can be +8 one season and -7 the next. Happens all the time.
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The turnovers don't point to SMU's weakness, though—they point to Duke's defensive strength. And while I agree that turnover margin fluctuates from year to year, defensive philosophies that are designed to wreak havoc (produce turnovers and TFLs) generally tend to consistently do so. Manny's defenses over the years consistently force a lot of turnovers and are consistently among the best in the nation at doing so, whether at Middle Tennessee St, Texas, Mississippi St, Miami, Penn State, or Duke (they also excel at generating TFLs). So it's not SMU saying, "here, you take it and see what you can do," it's Duke saying, "I'll take that, thank you very much!" The fact that they had trouble producing points is a reflection of both Duke's offensive issues and the fact that SMU also has a pretty solid defense (one that was able to exploit those offensive issues). The game was close because both teams are very good.
 
Papa John said:
The turnovers don't point to SMU's weakness, though—they point to Duke's defensive strength. And while I agree that turnover margin fluctuates from year to year, defensive philosophies that are designed to wreak havoc (produce turnovers and TFLs) generally tend to consistently do so. Manny's defenses over the years consistently force a lot of turnovers and are consistently among the best in the nation at doing so, whether at Middle Tennessee St, Texas, Mississippi St, Miami, Penn State, or Duke (they also excel at generating TFLs). So it's not SMU saying, "here, you take it and see what you can do," it's Duke saying, "I'll take that, thank you very much!" The fact that they had trouble producing points is a reflection of both Duke's offensive issues and the fact that SMU also has a pretty solid defense (one that was able to exploit those offensive issues). The game was close because both teams are very good.
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In the rest of our games this season we are averaging +1.1 in turnover margin. This +6 game was an extreme anomaly that our offense did not tske advantsge of, unfortunately.
 
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