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What will be the outcome of the 2024 Presidential Election


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Funny, I ran into a friend who is really, really not political over the weekend. He generally votes Republican but said he was torn this election. He then said that while he was waiting in line to vote and was genuinely unsure what to do, he realized that he would not be able to tell any of his friends if he voted for one candidate as he would be ashamed of how they would feel about his decision. He said that was when he decided to vote for the other candidate because "anyone I would be ashamed to vote for is not worth voting for."

I found that to be an interesting decision process.
This is exactly the audience the billboards I've seen is targeting. They feature (at least the ones I've seen) a woman, and the sign says "Nobody will know who you vote for. Ever."
 
just fast forwarding thru ads when I watch sports on my DVR makes me feel for you guys in battleground states....you can't possibly watch live TV, can you?
I was just thinking this last night as we watched a recorded program- the best part was fast-forwarding thru ads!
 
I have been phone banking for the party that starts with D over the last few days in North Carolina. It’s quite an eye opener in many ways. Exhausting too. First of all on the zoom training call there are people from all over the country helping, Seattle and New York to name two places I heard. The system that is used is quite slick. You don’t use your own phone as the program used generates the call. You have to verify you are talking to the correct person and introduce yourself then ask who who they are going to vote for. You basically have a script. I must have made a couple of hundred calls. Of the calls I would say 20% are wrong numbers, 20% hang up, 20% are kinda of rude (one person threatened to come after me if I didn’t stop calling them) and the rest are voting for my favorite candidate or have already voted. For each call you have to register the status. The zoom training call is pretty much running all day so you can call back in and ask questions. I guess it’s good ground game but I am not sure how effective it is or if it’s really moving the needle.
 
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No, what's worse is if you have kids they can't possibly watch TV. Streaming services used to be a safe haven, but in many cases their ads are even worse than live TV.

My boys have become obsessed with signontology. They get really upset when signs go "missing", especially close to home. Thankfully all the signers out our way have either given up putting out more signs, run out of signs or killed each other....because there are no more signs being put out.

We early voted last Wednesday in Wake County. There was no line and everything went smoothly.
We seem to be having a sign war on one of the main roads close to our local schools (and my house). First of all I have never seen any signs on this road in previous elections. Then about 10 days about 6 Trump signs appeared which sort of shocked me. A few days after the same number Harris signs appeared. I also noticed that some Trump signs would disappear and come back again. Finally this past weekend the Harris signs doubled up and she is clearly winning the North High Point Barrow rd signontology battle
 
Ok, we've all done the "I voted" thing so it is time for something actually substantial about the race.

I think the Trump team really fumbled the ball on Sunday with the NY rally. The speakers at that thing were soooo over the top in their rhetoric. I know it is red meat for the die-hard MAGA world but those folks are already on Team Trump. For undecided or wavering voters, this kind of heated stuff is a problem because it reminds them of the chaos of the first Trump administration.

I mean, we had one speaker call Kamala the antichrist. Another said they need to kill her pimp handlers (which implies she is a whore). And then there is the "joke" about Puerto Rico being an "island of garbage." Whew...

According to the polls, Trump is doing pretty well with the Latino vote in this election, many of whom are from Puerto Rico. The census bureau says 8% of Pennsylvania residents are Puerto Rican. This "joke" has turned into a major headache for the Trump campaign.

So, last night at a rally in Atlanta, Trump actually spent time saying, "I'm not another Hitler. I'm not a Nazi." Needless to say, "I'm not a Nazi" is not exactly the closing message Team Trump had in mind for the final week of the campaign. Yikes!

Meanwhile, Harris will deliver her closing argument tonight from the Ellipse in Washington, DC. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this was the scene after Trump last spoke at the Ellipse back in 2021...

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To me the key for Harris in this speech will be to do more than just talk about Jan 6th. She has hammered the "Trump is a fascist danger to Democracy" thing a lot lot lot lately. She needs to also remind folks of what she will do for them and convince them she can shepherd the economy in the right direction. Less attack and more positive vision for the future stuff is where she should be focused over the final days.
 
I think the Trump team really fumbled the ball on Sunday with the NY rally. The speakers at that thing were soooo over the top in their rhetoric. I know it is red meat for the die-hard MAGA world but those folks are already on Team Trump. For undecided or wavering voters, this kind of heated stuff is a problem because it reminds them of the chaos of the first Trump administration.
According to the polls, Trump is doing pretty well with the Latino vote in this election, many of whom are from Puerto Rico. The census bureau says 8% of Pennsylvania residents are Puerto Rican. This "joke" has turned into a major headache for the Trump campaign.
While they can't vote in the Presidential election at home, there are many in the States that can, and regardless if they are able to or not, they carry influence. Puerto Ricans are seething. In Pa, as you show, they make up a very sizeable chunk of the voting population. That rally may very well be a self inflicted October Surprise.
 
I guess it’s good ground game but I am not sure how effective it is or if it’s really moving the needle.
2020 Election:
Georgia - 11,779
Arizon - 10,457
Wisconsin - 20,682
North Carolina - 74,483
Pennsylvania - 80,555

That's the election right there. Less than 200,000 votes out of 158,429,631. Keep in mind that really only half + 1 need to switch their votes to make a difference. Trump didn't need 11,779 votes to flip the election (well, after the fact he did) but on election day he only need 5890 Biden voters to switch to Trump and he would have won the state.

2016 Election
Nevada - 27,202
Minnesota - 44,765
New Hampshire - 2,736
Michigan - 10,704
Pennsylvania - 44,292
Wisconsin - 22,748
Florida - 112,911

Again, it depends on which state, but in a close election you don't know which state is going to be the one that makes the difference. Every vote moves the needle in a swing state.
 
We seem to be having a sign war on one of the main roads close to our local schools (and my house). First of all I have never seen any signs on this road in previous elections. Then about 10 days about 6 Trump signs appeared which sort of shocked me. A few days after the same number Harris signs appeared. I also noticed that some Trump signs would disappear and come back again. Finally this past weekend the Harris signs doubled up and she is clearly winning the North High Point Barrow rd signontology battle
I lived in that area for years. High Point in general always seemed more conservative to me than the other areas of the Triad, but that's purely anecdotal.
 
While they can't vote in the Presidential election at home, there are many in the States that can, and regardless if they are able to or not, they carry influence. Puerto Ricans are seething. In Pa, as you show, they make up a very sizeable chunk of the voting population. That rally may very well be a self inflicted October Surprise.
And Trump—never one to not double down on a potentially losing position—promptly schedules an event in heavily Puerto Rican Bethlehem.
 
Ok, we've all done the "I voted" thing so it is time for something actually substantial about the race.

I think the Trump team really fumbled the ball on Sunday with the NY rally. The speakers at that thing were soooo over the top in their rhetoric. I know it is red meat for the die-hard MAGA world but those folks are already on Team Trump. For undecided or wavering voters, this kind of heated stuff is a problem because it reminds them of the chaos of the first Trump administration.

I mean, we had one speaker call Kamala the antichrist. Another said they need to kill her pimp handlers (which implies she is a whore). And then there is the "joke" about Puerto Rico being an "island of garbage." Whew...

According to the polls, Trump is doing pretty well with the Latino vote in this election, many of whom are from Puerto Rico. The census bureau says 8% of Pennsylvania residents are Puerto Rican. This "joke" has turned into a major headache for the Trump campaign.

So, last night at a rally in Atlanta, Trump actually spent time saying, "I'm not another Hitler. I'm not a Nazi." Needless to say, "I'm not a Nazi" is not exactly the closing message Team Trump had in mind for the final week of the campaign. Yikes!

Meanwhile, Harris will deliver her closing argument tonight from the Ellipse in Washington, DC. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this was the scene after Trump last spoke at the Ellipse back in 2021...

gettyimages-1230454306_custom-b23c2250cd2dd41fdb2b3a0ad14f4891f1cc1a29.jpg


To me the key for Harris in this speech will be to do more than just talk about Jan 6th. She has hammered the "Trump is a fascist danger to Democracy" thing a lot lot lot lately. She needs to also remind folks of what she will do for them and convince them she can shepherd the economy in the right direction. Less attack and more positive vision for the future stuff is where she should be focused over the final days.
I mean, yes, both candidates continue to do the things the other party hates them for. And they are saying and doing big things.

But (serious question) does ANY of it matter in terms of the result?

From my perspective a snow storm in Ohio or a huge wreck on I-70 in Pittsburgh may tilt the results more than anything either candidate can do from this point.

Yes, I voted yesterday. Now I just need to find a supply of industrial strength Pepto to keep my food down for the next week.
 
A week out, it feels like Dems have a shot at increasing their Senate majority. Cruz and Hawley are in deep doo-doo. Gallego looks like a solid bet to hold Sinema’s seat. Brown should squeak by. A pickup in Nebraska is not out of the question. Schiff is going to dunk on Garvey. Kim is a shoo-in in NJ, and Duke alum Alsobrooks appears to be in pretty good shape in MD.
 
Ok, we've all done the "I voted" thing so it is time for something actually substantial about the race.

I think the Trump team really fumbled the ball on Sunday with the NY rally. The speakers at that thing were soooo over the top in their rhetoric. I know it is red meat for the die-hard MAGA world but those folks are already on Team Trump. For undecided or wavering voters, this kind of heated stuff is a problem because it reminds them of the chaos of the first Trump administration.

I mean, we had one speaker call Kamala the antichrist. Another said they need to kill her pimp handlers (which implies she is a whore). And then there is the "joke" about Puerto Rico being an "island of garbage." Whew...

According to the polls, Trump is doing pretty well with the Latino vote in this election, many of whom are from Puerto Rico. The census bureau says 8% of Pennsylvania residents are Puerto Rican. This "joke" has turned into a major headache for the Trump campaign.

So, last night at a rally in Atlanta, Trump actually spent time saying, "I'm not another Hitler. I'm not a Nazi." Needless to say, "I'm not a Nazi" is not exactly the closing message Team Trump had in mind for the final week of the campaign. Yikes!

Meanwhile, Harris will deliver her closing argument tonight from the Ellipse in Washington, DC. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this was the scene after Trump last spoke at the Ellipse back in 2021...

gettyimages-1230454306_custom-b23c2250cd2dd41fdb2b3a0ad14f4891f1cc1a29.jpg


To me the key for Harris in this speech will be to do more than just talk about Jan 6th. She has hammered the "Trump is a fascist danger to Democracy" thing a lot lot lot lately. She needs to also remind folks of what she will do for them and convince them she can shepherd the economy in the right direction. Less attack and more positive vision for the future stuff is where she should be focused over the final days.
Trump's core guiding principle in life is to never admit he is wrong and never admit defeat (which is contrary to everything I teach my kids, but that is not my point at the moment). Trump's team has actually quasi-apologized for this, saying the joke did not reflect Trump's views. But he is getting a lot of heat to personally apologize. It is not in his DNA to apologize, so if he does so, I'm sure it will be finessed so that it doesn't make him look "weak" (again, I think that admitting you were wrong makes you look strong, but no one asked me).

I'm sure there are campaign staffers now scrambling to come up with some information on wonderful things he thinks he has done for Puerto Rico. Perhaps he will offer to build a luxury hotel there. The image of him throwing paper towels to the masses in Puerto Rico when president might have finally been fading from people's minds, but this brings it back to life.

As we have frequently discussed, Trump's best campaign strategy to win the election with the most electoral college votes, particularly in terms of winning over the "undecideds," is probably to stay silent. But this is not possible for him. He is pursuing the best strategy to motivate his loyalists to get angry in case he doesn't win the electoral college vote.

 
This is probably as reliable as the polling at this point: the Commanders home win portends victory for the incumbent party


As a Washington fan, this gives me the warm and fuzzies.
 
Trump Media stock (djt) already up another 5 points this morning and now up over 40 points since mid-September. If he still own his 115 million shares, he’s made about $4.5 BILLION on paper in about 7 weeks.
Either someone knows something or Americans are a lot dumber than I thought.
 
We seem to be having a sign war on one of the main roads close to our local schools (and my house). First of all I have never seen any signs on this road in previous elections. Then about 10 days about 6 Trump signs appeared which sort of shocked me. A few days after the same number Harris signs appeared. I also noticed that some Trump signs would disappear and come back again. Finally this past weekend the Harris signs doubled up and she is clearly winning the North High Point Barrow rd signontology battle
I was in Winston-Salem, NC over the weekend. I grew up here and it has historically been a pretty conservative town. I was surprised at the inordinate number of Harris/Walz signs along main roads and in neighborhoods in comparison to the very sparse amount of Trump signs. One Trump sign even had duct tape under the bottom of his name which I thought was pretty funny. Inflation has affected sign purchases.
 
A week out, it feels like Dems have a shot at increasing their Senate majority. Cruz and Hawley are in deep doo-doo. Gallego looks like a solid bet to hold Sinema’s seat. Brown should squeak by. A pickup in Nebraska is not out of the question. Schiff is going to dunk on Garvey. Kim is a shoo-in in NJ, and Duke alum Alsobrooks appears to be in pretty good shape in MD.
Last I heard they had a better chance on flipping the house, which would be ideal since I can see a GOP led House try to impeach Harris should she win and have a "special election" for Trump.

My biggest concern is still election day hijinks and schemes. Are they going to try to send fake electors in battleground states? Is there going to be a MAGA militia attacking polling places that are largely democratic? I'm not as worried about certification day. I have a hunch that Trump will be very close to an airplane on Nov 5 and if its looking like he's going to lose, he's leaving the country. And if whatever scheme they have cooked up to steal the election fails, then he is not coming back.
 
A week out, it feels like Dems have a shot at increasing their Senate majority. Cruz and Hawley are in deep doo-doo. Gallego looks like a solid bet to hold Sinema’s seat. Brown should squeak by. A pickup in Nebraska is not out of the question. Schiff is going to dunk on Garvey. Kim is a shoo-in in NJ, and Duke alum Alsobrooks appears to be in pretty good shape in MD.
Not sure where you are seeing this. Almost everyone I have read/seen says the Senate is almost a lock to go R - White House and House are up for grabs, with the most confidence around the Senate going Republican. There is almost zero chance that Hawley loses - I just did a quick google search and saw him up 50-40 as of two weeks ago, and I haven't followed the race closely but I don't think anything has really changed that. Cruz could flip but unlikely. Montana is going R. NJ and CA aren't worth discussing as they were assumed in the D column. You need to do it on a state by state basis (I don't have the bandwidth now) - I believe that it will likely be 52 or 51 to R.
 
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