2024 Presidential Election -- new thread for the final week

[SouthernDukie]

As a true Independent, I've enjoyed reading and interacting on the thread(s). It's funny (not ha-ha, but ironic) that I find myself sometimes "liking" multiple posters that have polar opposite views. I can do that, and do it sincerely, because so often the truth of a given taken has nuance in it. One person can argue that Trump is ________ [insert latest bad thing he's done or said], and I can agree 100% with it. But then another person can argue that Biden/Harris blew it here ________ [insert salient point], and I can agree 100% with that take as well.

Bottom line is that everyone that voted for Harris is not an uber-liberal socialist AND everyone that voted for Trump is not a misogynist, racist, fascist. There's a ton of nuance in human beings. And they bring many different perspectives to elections. And that's what makes America what it is. Now, will that still be the case in 4 years? I have no idea and being the pessimist that I am I can foresee some truly bad things happening going forward. Only time will tell.

Thanks again to the mods and everyone else for their thoughts and lively discussion.

 

[Skydog]

Convo above -

Sciencegeek: “And, perhaps most importantly, if you are going to attack or praise a candidate (or the analysis of a fellow poster) make sure you do it objectively and with as little personal passion as possible.”

Tendev: Follows instructions exactly, lays out facts devoid of opinion and asks reasonable but probing question.

Sciencegeek: “It’s time for everyone to move on.”

Sciencegeek - Being serious now, not trying to score points. If you really want to have a forward-moving, productive duscussion and win the respect of people who disagree with you, it is important to not dodge the hard questions. Even if the answers may not be flattering to your party or yourself.

 

[SkyBrickey]

That part is 100% for everyone, like I said. Everyone needs to move on.

Everyone needs to move on. Really? Is that the path we are on?

Trump now has the full power of the federal government. Is there any doubt he will be wielding it to do immoral and illegal acts? I take him at his word.

The resistance will be loud and fierce. The very best case is that it's an incredibly chaotic and divisive 4 years. Best case.

So moving on is not an option for anyone on either side.

 

[Steven43]

And yet, he is pretty good evidence why the exact opposite is true.

The more that Musk clown opens his mouth the less I like him. I used to be fooled into thinking he was some sort of visionary genius, but after experiencing how mediocre quality his Tesla product is — I should know, as I own a Model X and a Model 3 — and how he humiliated himself with that Cybertruck presentation stunt — where he easily cracked the “unbreakable” window — and seeing what a joke the Cybertruck is overall, and seeing the whole fiasco of his Twitter takeover, and seeing Space X regularly flame out , and seeing his blatant exaggerations about the grandiose things he’s going to do with solar panels as well as with solar-powered Tesla charging stations all over the country (another blatant exaggeration), and finally, seeing how he cozied up to Trump so completely, well, I just cannot stand the guy and have zero respect for him as a human being.

And the whole idea about alpha males has been proven to be unfounded and incorrect. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/

Not everyone sees it or experiences it that way.

Elon Musk shares theory that only 'alpha males' should vote

Elon Musk's repost of a controversial theory about democracy has drawn attention to the idea.

www.newsweek.com

 

[BandAlum83]

Everyone needs to move on. Really? Is that the path we are on?

Trump now has the full power of the federal government. Is there any doubt he will be wielding it to do immoral and illegal acts? I take him at his word.

The resistance will be loud and fierce. The very best case is that it's an incredibly chaotic and divisive 4 years. Best case.

So moving on is not an option for anyone on either side.

Will that resistance be arrested or shot in the leg?

Serious question based on public statements on the record by Trump and his closest advisors

 

[SkyBrickey]

Will that resistance be arrested or shot in the leg?

Serious question based on public statements on the record by Trump and his closest advisors

A lot will depend on his Attorney General, FBI Director and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

We have evidence he will order people be jailed or shot. Will these men follow-thru on the orders or will they resign?

With the SC immunity ruling and control of Congress, there is no disincentive for Trump to operate as a dictator. Lock up those 1,000 protesters. Take CBS off the air for 24 hours. Stop all federal funding to California. Etc. So then the question becomes, who if anyone will stand up to him and tell him "no"?

 

[Phredd3]

And the whole idea about alpha males has been proven to be unfounded and incorrect. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/

That's interesting. I have an autographed copy of Mech's book right here on my desk. He definitely refers to an "alpha pair" (which includes both an alpha male and alpha female) and explains that their dominance is enforced through the social order, not through combat. I don't think the concept of an alpha male in wolves has been proven to be "unfounded and incorrect". I think it's more a case of, "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

 

[Steven43]

That's interesting. I have an autographed copy of Mech's book right here on my desk. He definitely refers to an "alpha pair" (which includes both an alpha male and alpha female) and explains that their dominance is enforced through the social order, not through combat. I don't think the concept of an alpha male in wolves has been proven to be "unfounded and incorrect". I think it's more a case of, "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

Yes, I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that the term “alpha” is used incorrectly in regard to humans.

 

[bundabergdevil]

A lot will depend on his Attorney General, FBI Director and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

We have evidence he will order people be jailed or shot. Will these men follow-thru on the orders or will they resign?

With the SC immunity ruling and control of Congress, there is no disincentive for Trump to operate as a dictator. Lock up those 1,000 protesters. Take CBS off the air for 24 hours. Stop all federal funding to California. Etc. So then the question becomes, who if anyone will stand up to him and tell him "no"?

It’s not about telling him no. It’s about fighting back against the many who will say yes.

 

[Duke79UNLV77]

The dog has caught the car. Waiting for our national problems to dissipate. No one else to blame from here on out.

He will be fortunate to inherit low inflation and unemployment and strong GNP, wage, and stock market numbers on day one and take full credit for it. And many, many people will give him credit for it.

The question is if he’ll implement everything he’s promised, which economists believe will hurt the economy bigly.

 

[Bostondevil]

That part is 100% for everyone, like I said. Everyone needs to move on.

And therein lies the problem. Trump campaigned to his base and called people who opposed him enemies within. If there is any chance of the country coming together, then he has to get out there right now and walk that stuff back. When Biden won, it was his responsibility to encourage his supporters to heal wounds, to end the campaign rhetoric, to lay aside the f___ your feelings mentality. Now that Trump is the President Elect, it is his responsibility to lead his supporters in a similar way and it is the responsibility of his supporters to follow him. We cannot move on together until some wounds have healed. We will not move on together if Republicans don't even try to offer a minimum of salve to those wounds.

 

[-jk]

Time to say goodnight, Gracie.

-jk