NFL 2024-25 General Discussion

fidel said:
I can tell you that the stadium lets the wind from Lake Erie whip over the upper seats for a level of cold I don't want to experience again!

I am gobsmacked that the new stadium doesn't have a roof planned.
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That is compounded by the specific location of the stadium, which they just talked about. My department at work "near shores" our junior staff to suburban Buffalo, so I spend a lot of time talking to people who live there. As the announcers just noted, one neighborhood in Buffalo can have a few feet, while a few miles away there is nothing. And it is pretty consistent which neighborhoods get the snow and which don't. The area where the stadium is currently located and they are building the new one is one of the worst. Downtown gets very little. They should have built the stadium downtown. They get some traffic there but it is manageable, plus most games are on weekends.

The new stadium is a gigantic financial boondoggle. The governor of NY, Hochul, is from upstate and gave them the ultimate sweetheart deal to help finance the stadium. While she was throwing my tax dollars at them (I generally am OK with her otherwise), she might as well have thrown in more for a roof if she insisted on it being built in this location.
 
fidel said:
I can tell you that the stadium lets the wind from Lake Erie whip over the upper seats for a level of cold I don't want to experience again!

I am gobsmacked that the new stadium doesn't have a roof planned.
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But if there was a roof it wouldn’t be Buffalo! I love watching snow games in Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland.

And no lights in Wrigley Field!
 
CrazyNotCrazie said:
That is compounded by the specific location of the stadium, which they just talked about. My department at work "near shores" our junior staff to suburban Buffalo, so I spend a lot of time talking to people who live there. As the announcers just noted, one neighborhood in Buffalo can have a few feet, while a few miles away there is nothing. And it is pretty consistent which neighborhoods get the snow and which don't. The area where the stadium is currently located and they are building the new one is one of the worst. Downtown gets very little. They should have built the stadium downtown. They get some traffic there but it is manageable, plus most games are on weekends.

The new stadium is a gigantic financial boondoggle. The governor of NY, Hochul, is from upstate and gave them the ultimate sweetheart deal to help finance the stadium. While she was throwing my tax dollars at them (I generally am OK with her otherwise), she might as well have thrown in more for a roof if she insisted on it being built in this location.
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The big snow region is the well known Tug Hill Plateau....Buffalo itself doesn't get nearly as much snow...but just south of there it's lake effect snow which buries Tug Hill...prevailing westerly winds sweep across very large Lake Ontario and its comparatively warm waters, gather up tons of moisture, then the moisture heads east to the plateau where it cools....since cold air holds less precip than warm hair, the snow gets wrung out in a big, big way. The effect is so large that even places like Vermont, hundreds of miles away, get some residual snow...

As to stadium "deals," they almost always turn out to be of little benefit to anyone but the team involved and developers...fewer than ten games per year don't produce much economic benefit despite the crazy promises.
 
Phredd3 said:
Since that link no longer works, here's another link that provides some medical context.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863321210655838547
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I'm in favor of giving the guilty party on such plays a minimum of 4 games off and that doesn't count a bye week. Or, if the injured player is out more than 4 games, the guilty player is out for the same number of games. All games without pay. Pro football is dangerous enough without those violent hits. As for the new Buffalo stadium, I thought one of the announcers said part of the spectator section will be under a roof.

GoDuke!
 
jv001 said:
I'm in favor of giving the guilty party on such plays a minimum of 4 games off and that doesn't count a bye week. Or, if the injured player is out more than 4 games, the guilty player is out for the same number of games. All games without pay. Pro football is dangerous enough without those violent hits. As for the new Buffalo stadium, I thought one of the announcers said part of the spectator section will be under a roof.

GoDuke!
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I think there should be guidelines for penalties for bad fouls, not no hard and fast rule. Each one is a little different. The idea of keeping someone out at least as long as the person they injured is out seems great in theory, but could lead to some gamesmanship - what if Micah Parsons did that to the third string QB for the Commanders who was in during mop-up time? The Commanders would want to keep that player (who generally doesn't play anyway) out as long as possible, even if they are no longer hurt, to deprive their rival of their best defensive player.

I just looked up a picture and it looks like there is some cover in the new Bills Stadium, but not a lot. It looks like those in the worst seats (last rows of the upper deck) get cover, so those might become more desirable. When going to summer baseball games on a hot, sunny day I often prefer to sit a bit further back to be under cover.
 
Seemed almost unfair for the Niners to have to play in that blizzard. They had no chance and they knew it. The larger question is: what on earth were they doing playing McCaffrey in that game? Coming off an injury, injury prone, slipping and sliding on snow and ice, in a game they had no chance to win regardless. And they need him if they want any type of a playoff push to be possible. Now he's probably gonna be done for the year. Dumb.
 
tommy said:
Seemed almost unfair for the Niners to have to play in that blizzard. They had no chance and they knew it. The larger question is: what on earth were they doing playing McCaffrey in that game? Coming off an injury, injury prone, slipping and sliding on snow and ice, in a game they had no chance to win regardless. And they need him if they want any type of a playoff push to be possible. Now he's probably gonna be done for the year. Dumb.
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Yeh, it did almost unfair to the 49rs. Purdy: 11 for 18, 94 yards 0 TDs, 2 fantasy points, Debo had 4 catches for 20 yards, 0 TDs and 4 fantasy points, Jennings 3 catches for 56 yards, 0 TDs and 9 fantasy points. Kittle had 1 catch for 7 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 fantasy points. McCaffrey was the only player that was having success, but the often-injured star has what is probably a season ending knee injury. It's been a terrible season for the 49rs and for fans who have any of their players on their fantasy rosters. I guess Jordan Mason had the most success, but he was injured about a month ago and missed some games and was limited in the ones he did play in.

GoDuke!
 
jv001 said:
Yeh, it did almost unfair to the 49rs. Purdy: 11 for 18, 94 yards 0 TDs, 2 fantasy points, Debo had 4 catches for 20 yards, 0 TDs and 4 fantasy points, Jennings 3 catches for 56 yards, 0 TDs and 9 fantasy points. Kittle had 1 catch for 7 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 fantasy points. McCaffrey was the only player that was having success, but the often-injured star has what is probably a season ending knee injury. It's been a terrible season for the 49rs and for fans who have any of their players on their fantasy rosters. I guess Jordan Mason had the most success, but he was injured about a month ago and missed some games and was limited in the ones he did play in.

GoDuke!
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I have Deebo on my team (or more accurately, my son and I have him on our team) and needed him to have a good but not great game. I was half watching and would hear the announcers excitedly saying his name and see him running up the field, only to find out it was a return, and we don't do points for returns so it was useless to me and we lost.

The 49ers have just had a lot of bad luck. Mainly injuries, but also other factors like last night's weather. They have had some nice luck in recent years so I guess it offsets.
 
CrazyNotCrazie said:
I have Deebo on my team (or more accurately, my son and I have him on our team) and needed him to have a good but not great game. I was half watching and would hear the announcers excitedly saying his name and see him running up the field, only to find out it was a return, and we don't do points for returns so it was useless to me and we lost.

The 49ers have just had a lot of bad luck. Mainly injuries, but also other factors like last night's weather. They have had some nice luck in recent years so I guess it offsets.
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You didn't mention McCaffrey as being on your team, so I guess you and your son didn't draft him. I've spoken to several of my friends that are other fantasy teams and they say they will not draft McCaffrey in the first two rounds if they have the #1 or #2 draft pick. Too injury prone. I drafted McCaffrey, Cee Dee Lamb and Tyree Hill number one in 3 different leagues. I'm not going to make the playoffs in those leagues.
GoDuke!
 
JasonEvans said:
This is among the dirtiest, brutal hits I have ever seen in a NFL game...
https://twitter.com/x/status/1863298080604299298

Aziz Al-Shaair was kicked out of the game for the hit and there are many cries for him to get a suspension from the league. Frankly, anything short of 6 games would be an abomination and if Trevor Lawrence is out more than 6 then Al-Shaair should sit for those games too. Suspension without pay, of course, He needs to feel a major financial penalty for this nonsense.

Al-Shaair makes $11.33 mil per season on average over his 3 year contract. But, because the NFL puts so much into signing bonuses, his annual salary is only $1.5 mil. As a result, if he was suspended for 6 games, he would only lose about half a million. That's why the NFL needs to hit him with an additional $1 mil fine or something like that. The violence in that hit needs to be dealt with in strong fashion.

All that said, I expect the NFL to totally wimp out in this case as they always do. I imagine Al-Shaair will be suspended for maybe 1 or 2 games (the Texans have a bye week, maybe the league can suspend him from the bye) and if he gets a fine, I doubt it exceeds $50,000. Roger Goodell is the most spineless and useless commissioner in sports.

Meanwhile, an absurd, ridiculous, quirk in the rules was also exposed on the play. After Lawrence was mauled by Al-Shaair, the Jags players did as they should have and tried to attack Al-Shaair. The officials called a penalty on the Jags team for going after him. But, because they were justifiably trying to protect their QB, the penalties are off-setting and the Jags don't get the 15 yards that should have been coming their way from the vicious hit. Offsetting penalties for one guy head-hunting and trying to put a dude into the brain damage ward versus for a few guys on the other team shoving him. Yup, that makes sense. The only way I could see it is if the Jags had actually gotten to Al-Shaair and had beaten him bloody... then I could maybe have understood offsetting penalties... maybe.
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I believe the Jags player was flagged for leaving the bench.
 
budwom said:
As to stadium "deals," they almost always turn out to be of little benefit to anyone but the team involved and developers...fewer than ten games per year don't produce much economic benefit despite the crazy promises.
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That's why other sports owners hate Steve Ballmer. He paid for the Clippers new place out of his pocket. James Dolen was suing him during the planning phase because it would compete with the Forum. Ballmer just bought the Forum.
 
Lions beat the Packers last night moving them to 12-1. They keep losing players to injury on defense but keep on winning. I've become a big fan of Dan Campbell but that decision to to for it on 4th and 1 from your own 31 made no sense to me.
 
DUKIECB said:
Lions beat the Packers last night moving them to 12-1. They keep losing players to injury on defense but keep on winning. I've become a big fan of Dan Campbell but that decision to to for it on 4th and 1 from your own 31 made no sense to me.
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That should be a preview of the NFC Championship game. The NFC North is so strong!
 
DUKIECB said:
Lions beat the Packers last night moving them to 12-1. They keep losing players to injury on defense but keep on winning. I've become a big fan of Dan Campbell but that decision to to for it on 4th and 1 from your own 31 made no sense to me.
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The Lions defense last night was actually kind of incredible given their injuries. Relative to the beginning-of-the-year roster, they were down all four starting DEs and DTs (Hutchinson, Reader, McNeil, and Davenport)...*and all of their backups" (Cominsky, Paschal, Owunzirike, and Wingo)....so this was an entirely third-string DL (even if the newly acquired Smith is actually pretty good). Similarly, they are down four out of their top five LBs. To have given up fewer than 300 yards to an excellent Packer offense under those circumstances was very impressive.

The analytics apparently said go for it from the 31, and perhaps the calculation went something like this. If you get it, the value of the continued possession is perhaps worth roughly 3.5 points. If you don't get it, you lose something like 2 points in expectation, i.e, the difference in expected points from a Packers' drive that starts at the Lions 31 versus, say, their own 25 after a Jack Fox punt. You can of course attach different values than 3.5 and 2, but I can see how reasonable assumptions would lead to a "go for it" calculation.
 
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