MBB: Duke 100, Army 58 Post Game Thread

Bluedog said:
That would also be a bit awkward to publicize for Coop given his deal with Gatorade. I guess they could always put whatever they give him in a Gatorade-branded bottle. But hopefully they figure out something. Back in my day on really hot days on the tennis courts, some top players would drink Pedialyte. Yes, seriously....
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In my day we would drink Pedialyte after a particularly rowdy night. Half a bottle before bed and the rest when we woke up. Works great!
 
CDu said:
I agree with kAzE that Scheyer appears to have hit a home run with his transfers. They seem a perfect fit alongside the incoming freshmen and returning guards. I low-key love what Brown brings to the table. Just a completely disruptive presence on defense. It doesn't always result in a turnover, but his timing on his reach-ins is darn near impeccable. When his man gets the ball, he just disrupts and throws off the flow of the opponent's offense.
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I said to my daughter last night that he forces people to initiate offense 30 feet from the bucket and with their back turned. I love him.
 
5 thoughts...

1. I don't think we learned all that much about this team that we didn't know earlier. It's easy to look like a NBA player when playing against weaklings at home. I am looking forward to facing stiffer competition. I don't think one can draw many new conclusions yet about anyone on this team that they didn't guess before Countdown to Craziness.

2. Yes, hydration therapy for Flagg. Yes, put whatever witches' brew into a Gatorade bottle for him. Yes, they will figure this out. Good to find this out early.

3. I posted before, and I will post it again. I personally really like James. He's a type of guard Duke hasn't had lately, and he's the type of guard that often gave Duke fits in years past. And he has game. I just wish his FT% was higher. Foster's is low, too. I hope both can show improvement over their historical numbers. Otherwise in crunch time at guard with the lead, Proctor will need to be the primary ball handler. That's not terrible, of course. But I'd like to see other guard options.

4. Congrats to Hubbard for reaching double digits in his Duke career. I for one am glad he's back. This team lost so much continuity. His practice and locker room experience (and his having actually played for K) are an intangible that all newcomers should recognize. Goes for Borden, too. I hope the big guy can get a bucket this year.

5. Having nothing else to really say about this game, I will say I'm not a fan of the Army-game unis. I get the nod to them, that that in itself is fine. But I think the gold on gray and blue isn't going to be a big seller in the Duke store.

9F
 
Listened to the DBR podcast and I think Jason makes a great point. Because this team takes so many 3s and has so many good shooters, the law of averages may erase any really bad shooting nights. Our fast pace of play also supports this. More possessions, more 3s.

So if we are shooting 40% on average with 35 attempted 3s per game, a bad shooting night is more likely to be a 30% night - not a 15-20% night like we see a few times a year with a typical Duke team. The Army game is a great example where we start 1-11 and finish 16-27 for 44.7%.

Another thought. Khaman's rim protection is important. And he's altering all kinds of shots even when not blocking them. But his rebounding is just as important. And I think he's clearly ahead of where Lively was at the beginning of freshman year. He has this great skill of tipping out a lot of offensive boards he can't reach. Very impressed with his board work so far.
 
kako said:
5 thoughts...

1. I don't think we learned all that much about this team that we didn't know earlier. It's easy to look like a NBA player when playing against weaklings at home. I am looking forward to facing stiffer competition. I don't think one can draw many new conclusions yet about anyone on this team that they didn't guess before Countdown to Craziness.

2. Yes, hydration therapy for Flagg. Yes, put whatever witches' brew into a Gatorade bottle for him. Yes, they will figure this out. Good to find this out early.

3. I posted before, and I will post it again. I personally really like James. He's a type of guard Duke hasn't had lately, and he's the type of guard that often gave Duke fits in years past. And he has game. I just wish his FT% was higher. Foster's is low, too. I hope both can show improvement over their historical numbers. Otherwise in crunch time at guard with the lead, Proctor will need to be the primary ball handler. That's not terrible, of course. But I'd like to see other guard options.

4. Congrats to Hubbard for reaching double digits in his Duke career. I for one am glad he's back. This team lost so much continuity. His practice and locker room experience (and his having actually played for K) are an intangible that all newcomers should recognize. Goes for Borden, too. I hope the big guy can get a bucket this year.

5. Having nothing else to really say about this game, I will say I'm not a fan of the Army-game unis. I get the nod to them, that that in itself is fine. But I think the gold on gray and blue isn't going to be a big seller in the Duke store.

9F
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He's 7-7 so far this season.
 
kako said:
I personally really like James. He's a type of guard Duke hasn't had lately, and he's the type of guard that often gave Duke fits in years past. And he has game. I just wish his FT% was higher. Foster's is low, too. I hope both can show improvement over their historical numbers. Otherwise in crunch time at guard with the lead, Proctor will need to be the primary ball handler. That's not terrible, of course. But I'd like to see other guard options.
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gaap said:
He's 7-7 so far this season.
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Yeah, and it should be higher than 100 percent. Have you seen his muscles?

I'm guessing @kako was referring to Sion James' career free throw percentage at Tulane, which was 69.5 percent. Caleb Foster shot 68.8 percent from the line last season.

Duke has missed 10 free throws as a team (28-of-38). Foster and Maliq Brown are both 0-for-2, while Cooper Flagg (7-9), Darren Harris (3-5), and Khaman Maluach (3-5) have each missed a pair.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Listened to the DBR podcast and I think Jason makes a great point. Because this team takes so many 3s and has so many good shooters, the law of averages may erase any really bad shooting nights. Our fast pace of play also supports this. More possessions, more 3s.

So if we are shooting 40% on average with 35 attempted 3s per game, a bad shooting night is more likely to be a 30% night - not a 15-20% night like we see a few times a year with a typical Duke team. The Army game is a great example where we start 1-11 and finish 16-27 for 44.7%.

Another thought. Khaman's rim protection is important. And he's altering all kinds of shots even when not blocking them. But his rebounding is just as important. And I think he's clearly ahead of where Lively was at the beginning of freshman year. He has this great skill of tipping out a lot of offensive boards he can't reach. Very impressed with his board work so far.
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I think Maluach has surprisingly good hands. It is a very underrated thing for a big man. His best offensive years are ahead of him, but the fact that he corrals rebounds in traffic and can catch high post passes against defensive pressure is something that stands out to me so far.
 
camion said:
Free throw defense tends to be erratic from week to week.

It depends on the announcers' exact phrasing and timing of online posts much more than other phases of the game.
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I need to start watching live instead of slightly behind in order to FF commercials. I’m sorry, it’s my fault.

I’ll be sure to watch live when the competition is more intense so as to send real time FT defensive vibes.
 
ClemmonsDevil said:
He's 17. When I was that age I could play a full game and never come out. 19 minutes doesn't make him cramp. The issue is it could have been 12 in the first half and 7 in
I agree
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Interesting to note, Coop’s metabolism or motor or something just seems different. It looks like he seats buckets coming out of warmups.

I wonder what his calorie burn and weight loss is during a game. It may rival what we hear for a NASCAR driver.

I’d imagine that can contribute to cramping. His intensity against a higher level of competition he’s up against would certainly be a change from last year in high school.

I’m confident the Duke sports medicine team will figure it out like they did with Paolo. I just hope they do it a bit faster (like before Tuesday evening)
 
armand52 said:
much obliged!
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That was the real definition. The snarky definition relates to our ability, or the team’s, or the crazies ability to get a hand in the face of the FT shooter or even poke the ball.

I swear, Malik may just poke a ball out of the FT shooter’s hand before the. End of the season. Man man will probably get one block and a whole bunch of altered FT shots also!
 
UrinalCake said:
I believe Sion declared and did go to the combine, or maybe he just worked out for NBA teams on his own. He put up huge numbers at Tulane but that wasn't enough to get him whatever guarantee he wanted. Coming to Duke will boost his stock tremendously, he'll be on National TV every game and have announcers drooling over his physique, plus he's getting to play with the ball in his hands a lot. Reminds me of Semi Ojeyele as a big wing who converted to a huge guard.

Gillis only averaged something like 6ppg at Purdue. I'm not sure he has an NBA future but again, coming to Duke and leveraging all our resources will give him the best shot. Maybe he can be like a Grant Williams.

Maliq will need to show some offensive game but his defensive skills are obvious.

Agree with you that all three have exceeded expectations, and they fill their roles on this team perfectly. Jon hit a grand slam in the portal even without getting any "big name" guys. The highest rated incoming transfer in the ACC was Cade Tyson and he has looked awful so far, basically unplayable. It's all about getting the right fit.
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I bet more than a few posters out here who experienced the pre-K years will be reminded of Gene Banks physique when seeing Sion.
 
CDu said:
I agree with kAzE that Scheyer appears to have hit a home run with his transfers. They seem a perfect fit alongside the incoming freshmen and returning guards. I low-key love what Brown brings to the table. Just a completely disruptive presence on defense. It doesn't always result in a turnover, but his timing on his reach-ins is darn near impeccable. When his man gets the ball, he just disrupts and throws off the flow of the opponent's offense. Gillis just fits in. No ego, does all the little stuff, no nonsense. And James is like the prototype for a third guard, but who can also defend just about any position with his size and strength. Really great gets.

I do still have a bit of worry about quickness (we are rangy, but not quick) against better teams. The length and athleticism and effort is certainly enough to overwhelm most teams, though. Especially with the number of shooters we have. It's a VERY good team. There may be some worry as well about getting too perimeter shot-happy and not attacking the basket. But I hope/expect that will ebb and flow over time.

The rotation so far seems pretty clear: the top 8 are there, with the three transfers coming off the bench. I imagine as the level of competition rises, we'll see Harris and Evans become more marginalized, but those three transfers will continue to play significantly off the bench. We're going to lean on Kupp and Knueppel as much as they can handle, but the vets will get their minutes.
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This sort of what I saw when we started off 1-11 from 3. To be honest, they were perfectly good shots that were open and within the flow of the offense but we still had a significant height advantage on the inside and could have easily worked to get the ball inside during that stretch.
 
kako said:
5 thoughts...

1. I don't think we learned all that much about this team that we didn't know earlier. It's easy to look like a NBA player when playing against weaklings at home. I am looking forward to facing stiffer competition. I don't think one can draw many new conclusions yet about anyone on this team that they didn't guess before Countdown to Craziness.

2. Yes, hydration therapy for Flagg. Yes, put whatever witches' brew into a Gatorade bottle for him. Yes, they will figure this out. Good to find this out early.

3. I posted before, and I will post it again. I personally really like James. He's a type of guard Duke hasn't had lately, and he's the type of guard that often gave Duke fits in years past. And he has game. I just wish his FT% was higher. Foster's is low, too. I hope both can show improvement over their historical numbers. Otherwise in crunch time at guard with the lead, Proctor will need to be the primary ball handler. That's not terrible, of course. But I'd like to see other guard options.

4. Congrats to Hubbard for reaching double digits in his Duke career. I for one am glad he's back. This team lost so much continuity. His practice and locker room experience (and his having actually played for K) are an intangible that all newcomers should recognize. Goes for Borden, too. I hope the big guy can get a bucket this year.

5. Having nothing else to really say about this game, I will say I'm not a fan of the Army-game unis. I get the nod to them, that that in itself is fine. But I think the gold on gray and blue isn't going to be a big seller in the Duke store.

9F
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I told my spouse that the coloration was similar to a rendition of UCLA in the past. I, too, am not a huge fan of them.
 
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