Jay Bilas talk to basketball team

MarkD83

MarkD83

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As mentioned on the front page it is well worth your time to listen to Jay's message to the team.

During past years and during this year there have been and will be times where fans on this board will question Jay's allegiance. Please come back to this thread and the link and remind yourself that Duke has a special place in Jay's heart. Sometimes his professional obligations require that he be critical of players and teams or praise other teams. He does this because he is a professional broadcaster and acts appropriately by showing no bias.

I will add that for those of us who are lucky enough to be Duke alums, we realize that what Jay says in the video resonates with us. Duke has offered us amazing opportunities that have been force multipliers in our lives (paraphrasing Jay's words).
 
What you said about Jay is so well-said! I hope people got a big sense of what's in his heart by watching/listening to this. What an amazing speech this was! I'm ready to run through a brick wall so I certainly hope it resonated with the players just as much. I wasn't fortunate to go to Duke (but I'm really glad that you were) but it's always been a special place to me.
 
MarkD83 said:
[He does this because he is a professional broadcaster and acts appropriately by showing no bias.
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I will take issue with this. He does show a bias ... towards Duke and uNC and against the NCAA. He bangs the anti-NCAA drum repeatedly (and to some degree, understandably so), but his fawning attitude toward the Cheats is hard to stomach given their history of academic cheating. I do not doubt he loves Duke, because he gained a heck of a lot from his being at the school, and for the most part he is a great representative of it ... but he is next to impossible to listen to, at least for me, when he is talking about the heels because, to my knowledge, he has never ever called them out over what they did.
 
75Crazie said:
I will take issue with this. He does show a bias ... towards Duke and uNC and against the NCAA. He bangs the anti-NCAA drum repeatedly (and to some degree, understandably so), but his fawning attitude toward the Cheats is hard to stomach given their history of academic cheating. I do not doubt he loves Duke, because he gained a heck of a lot from his being at the school, and for the most part he is a great representative of it ... but he is next to impossible to listen to, at least for me, when he is talking about the heels because, to my knowledge, he has never ever called them out over what they did.
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Good point and I agree. However I have come to understand Jay’s position as the position of a practicing attorney. The NCAA rules are and were not well written. Unc took advantage of them. Was unc wrong in what they did….absolutely and should have been punished. The lawyer however points out that unc read the poorly written rules and exploited them. The root cause of the problem is the NCAAs incompetence.
 
MarkD83 said:
Good point and I agree. However I have come to understand Jay’s position as the position of a practicing attorney. The NCAA rules are and were not well written. Unc took advantage of them. Was unc wrong in what they did….absolutely and should have been punished. The lawyer however points out that unc read the poorly written rules and exploited them. The root cause of the problem is the NCAAs incompetence.
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In this case, the good lawyer defense doesn't work for me. Good lawyers can (in fact, are obligated to) exploit the rules on behalf of a client. but they can do that while still deploring the underlying conduct. And Jay doesn't even represent uNC. He can respect their defense without condoning it.
 
After watching Jay's talk to the BB players, I nominate him to be the next Dean of Admissions, when the current one retires. Jay's a very good salesman for the university.
 
Very inspirational and moving. It is clear that Jay loves Duke.

Also, it looks like expectations for this year's team are sky high around the program.

I did notice that Jay mentioned "Coach Scheyer and Coach Carrawell" together several times, as if they are sort of a unit. I wondered why Coach Lucas was not included.

I would think Jay would mention "Coach Scheyer" -or- "Coach Sheyer, Coach Carrawell, and Coach Lucas", as Carrawell and Lucas are both Associate Head Coaches.
 
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 said:
It took all of four posts to go from "Hey look at this cool thing Bilas did, maybe we shouldn't be so harsh on him" to "he's a Tar Heel shill."
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Careful you're not putting words in anyone's mouth, though. I like Bilas, and while I think from time-to-time he over-corrects when he's talking about the Tarheels, and while I strongly disagree with his take about the Tarheels and their academic transgressions, I by no means think he's anything but a Duke guy.
 
Anyway, to look further at the record, while UNC escaped through an NCAA loophole, what it did was abhorrent to the academic side of UNC and it did get slapped hard by its accrediting agency (which it co-founded 110 or so years ago). Those guys found the NCAA loophole only after they got caught and embarrassed.
 
And, as the lead ESPN college hoops analyst, I am sure he tries to be on good terms with all the major programs and their coaches. Which includes the Heels and Hubert.
 
This is ridiculous.

I have spoken to Jay many times and the notion that he is somehow in the bag for UNC is crazy. He is an analyst and a journalist when it comes to College Hoops and, as such, he puts his biases and personal feelings aside. He reports on the teams and programs as honestly as he can and his personal beliefs told him that the NCAA was wrong wrong wrong when it came to the UNC academic scandal.

Trust me, on a personal level, Jay wants Duke to win as much (if not more) than anyone else on the board. The notion that Duke fans hold him in less esteem because he speaks honestly about his feelings on other programs, including our rival, is bonkers to me.

If there was even a hint that Jay was allowing his personal biases to mix in with his analysis, do you think he would be ESPN's top college hoops analyst and in line to maybe get JJ's old NBA gig as well?
 
Edouble said:
Very inspirational and moving. It is clear that Jay loves Duke.

Also, it looks like expectations for this year's team are sky high around the program.

I did notice that Jay mentioned "Coach Scheyer and Coach Carrawell" together several times, as if they are sort of a unit. I wondered why Coach Lucas was not included.

I would think Jay would mention "Coach Scheyer" -or- "Coach Sheyer, Coach Carrawell, and Coach Lucas", as Carrawell and Lucas are both Associate Head Coaches.
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I thought that Bilas didn’t mention Coach Lucas was because Lucas didn’t come up through the Duke experience like Scheyer and Carawell did. I think Bilas was trying to emphasize the value in the Duke experience.
 
Phredd3 said:
Careful you're not putting words in anyone's mouth, though. I like Bilas, and while I think from time-to-time he over-corrects when he's talking about the Tarheels, and while I strongly disagree with his take about the Tarheels and their academic transgressions, I by no means think he's anything but a Duke guy.
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Yep, the misrepresentation of the views of those who are annoyed by Bilas was right there in the first post. Sigh.
 
AustinDevil said:
Yep, the misrepresentation of the views of those who are annoyed by Bilas was right there in the first post. Sigh.
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How would you characterize the giant chasm of attitudes towards Bilas on this board? Seems to me there are those of us who give him the benefit of the doubt and those who look for nits to pick.

He's absolutely in the "most-trashed former Duke starter" with Jalen Johnson, Kyrie, and Rasheed Sulaimon. He's certainly one of the most visible post-basketball-career Blue Devils, with Jay Williams a distant second.
 
Bilas is super-smart (Duke JD), but with an edge to him... not exactly warm and cuddly.

Second, he is paid to be an even-handed analyst. Some, not me, hear "Duke hate" in his edgy voice.

Also, he, of necessity, maintains a good relationship with UNC -- plus the other top programs. What I believe ESPN wants, but not many Duke fans here and elsewhere.

He is clearly loyal to Duke -- it's his team and teammates, Coach K, his daughter's enrollment at Duke, etc. A lot of people here don't get it.
 
sagegrouse said:
Bilas is super-smart (Duke JD), but with an edge to him... not exactly warm and cuddly.

Second, he is paid to be an even-handed analyst. Some, not me, hear "Duke hate" in his edgy voice.

Also, he, of necessity, maintains a good relationship with UNC -- plus the other top programs. What I believe ESPN wants, but not many Duke fans here and elsewhere.

He is clearly loyal to Duke -- it's his team and teammates, Coach K, his daughter's enrollment at Duke, etc. A lot of people here don't get it.
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Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. I just personally find it baffling that people enjoy ragging on him and for some reason feel like he's got a hidden agenda.

He's very loyal to Duke. He absolutely feels that the NCAA is hot garbage. And he defends the student athletes at almost every opportunity.
 
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