Jai to Miami

Dukehky said:
The boozers have signed, and they’re not going anywhere.
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First, second, third, and fourth, I agree that the Boozers aren't going anywhere. The only people suggesting this are click bait sites. We have been told not to rumor monger (not accusing you of doing this - you are doing the opposite - referring to others). Some people just clearly need a place to vent their extreme anxiety (I have lots of that, but not on this topic). Until we hear otherwise, can we once and for end all references to the Boozers?

On another note, I have asked this before, in this ridiculously chaotic era of unlimited transfers and no loyalty, does "signing" really mean anything? Can't a student-athlete (or athlete as they should now be called) "sign" somewhere then change their mind the next day? What teeth are there? In the good old days I think they would be burning their one transfer and way back when would lose a year of eligibility (I think that could potentially be waived, though I don't recall). Now there is nothing. Probably a better topic for a different thread but just mentioning it.
 
CrazyNotCrazie said:
First, second, third, and fourth, I agree that the Boozers aren't going anywhere. The only people suggesting this are click bait sites. We have been told not to rumor monger (not accusing you of doing this - you are doing the opposite - referring to others). Some people just clearly need a place to vent their extreme anxiety (I have lots of that, but not on this topic). Until we hear otherwise, can we once and for end all references to the Boozers?

On another note, I have asked this before, in this ridiculously chaotic era of unlimited transfers and no loyalty, does "signing" really mean anything? Can't a student-athlete (or athlete as they should now be called) "sign" somewhere then change their mind the next day? What teeth are there? In the good old days I think they would be burning their one transfer and way back when would lose a year of eligibility (I think that could potentially be waived, though I don't recall). Now there is nothing. Probably a better topic for a different thread but just mentioning it.
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I think signing does still have some significance, but Duke has historically, and always will, let players out of their commitments without any hassle (Mackenzie/boogie Ellis, eg).
 
The only thing I care about is how this affects this year's team. Jon seems to be great at communicating, and I hope he manages to spin this to the players as both as positive for Jai and a direct challenge to the team because I think they will respond to that.

As for the "ethics" of taking recruits, it's part of the job to recruit the best players for your team. Having said that, if Signed Recruit goes with him to Miami, I admittedly would view it in a much better light if SR reached out to him and said "you're the one I connected with best, I'd love to play for you" than if Jai made contact and said "come play for UM instead of Duke, here's why we're a better fit for you." Neither is "wrong" but one certainly feels worse.
 
This is a loss for Duke, no question. But Duke was going to lose Jai eventually. It was inevitable. The timing is unfortunate, even concerning, but until portal timing rules are fixed this stuff is going to happen, and I highly doubt that JS is angry with Jai. I'd bet big bucks they have been discussing this like friends and gentlemen and JS was not taken by surprise. There is an upside. I think Jai is going to be a very successful college head coach, and we should want the ACC to have that success. A very strong Miami program will be good for the ACC, which is in rather desperate need of more of them right now. I have a hunch that Jai will deliver that for them, and actually for all fans of ACC basketball.
 
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I haven't read all the comments so please forgive me if this has been discussed already ...... but ...... why doesn't Jai stay until the end of the Duke season? I hope it won't be disruptive to the team.
 
With Jai leaving a bit early, does that mean Jon has the jump on hiring his replacement? Any thoughts on when the next domino will fall and if Jon could hire Jai's replacement for the postseason or promote someone internally to take over his non-recruiting responsibilities for the postseason?
 
Onlyduke said:
I haven't read all the comments so please forgive me if this has been discussed already ...... but ...... why doesn't Jai stay until the end of the Duke season? I hope it won't be disruptive to the team.
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It's speculation, but the obvious answer is the portal. He'll need to take the reins in time to play that game. I could be wrong, but I bet JS understands this very well, and while disappointed is neither surprised nor angry.
 
coldriver10 said:
The only thing I care about is how this affects this year's team. Jon seems to be great at communicating, and I hope he manages to spin this to the players as both as positive for Jai and a direct challenge to the team because I think they will respond to that.

As for the "ethics" of taking recruits, it's part of the job to recruit the best players for your team. Having said that, if Signed Recruit goes with him to Miami, I admittedly would view it in a much better light if SR reached out to him and said "you're the one I connected with best, I'd love to play for you" than if Jai made contact and said "come play for UM instead of Duke, here's why we're a better fit for you." Neither is "wrong" but one certainly feels worse.
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In this situation I don’t see any worry about recruits leaving for several reasons especially potential one and dones
One, the Duke brand is much stronger
Two, the successful program and infrastructure is already established and the recruit has a better chance of a strong post season run.
Three, based on what we know about Jai and his character, professionalism and relationships he wouldn’t even take them
And also realizing it’s not in the best interests of the recruits.

If a current player thinks they have a better future other than at Duke that’s another story and their prerogative to leave under the current rules.

This isn’t like Calipari taking recruits and his own players to Arkansas.

The biggest issue is the distraction to the team right before post season but think they can handle it. Jon has a strong structure in place. Remember for C- Well was originally the. Only Associate head coach.
 
Mike Petrik said:
It's speculation, but the obvious answer is the portal. He'll need to take the reins in time to play that game. I could be wrong, but I bet JS understands this very well, and while disappointed is neither surprised nor angry.
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Yeah. UM is going to have to reset the whole roster to be competitive. Cal at Arkansas and Pope at UK showed that it can be done after the tournament but Coach Lucas will have some disadvantages. He isn't going to have the money of Walmart or the UK boosters. Some of the UM booster aren't on board either. He will also be a rookie head coach so he's going to have to find players that are betting on him as an unproven head coach. He's going to have to get the ball rolling quicker than if he was an established head coach coming into the situation.
 
Edouble said:
With Jai leaving a bit early, does that mean Jon has the jump on hiring his replacement? Any thoughts on when the next domino will fall and if Jon could hire Jai's replacement for the postseason or promote someone internally to take over his non-recruiting responsibilities for the postseason?
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If Duke makes the Final Four, maybe Jon can immediately replace Jai with Bruce Pearl's top assistant (or a coach from whoever Duke is slated to play).

That would certainly help with the scout! :)
 
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 said:
I'm not saying folks should or shouldn't feel a certain way, but I agree that the real issue here isn't Jai or Duke or The Boozers or Miami or Coach Scheyer.

It's the portal calendar. You can't reasonably hire a coach after the portal and also after the major recruiting cycles. You'd be saying "go see what's conceivably left out there for a roster, and by the way the clock starts ticking on impatient fans immediately."

I understand the frustration about the situation, but on some level there needs to be a bit of grace for the folks involved. If CJS and Lucas are as close friends as it sounds, I'm inclined to see what they have to say about one another before attributing nefarious intention.

And also - there's no "good" time to do this. Nolan left for Louisville immediately after the season ended and got torched. Laranega left midseason and was lambasted. Tony Bennett left before the season and was roasted. There's far worse things than losing your associate head coach while on a winning streak and about a week removed from a #1 seed.

Lucas seems to be a fine young man, a good coach, and an excellent recruiter. He hopefully has a long and successful career ahead of him. Only he and Jon know what level lf discussion was had between them leading up to this. I will wish him well and assume the best until/unless I hear from others that something untoward happened.

I'm not telling anyone else how to feel about this, but I personally see no reason to get all fired up when our team is preparing to Restore Order.
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It boggles the mind to try to understand how anyone would set up the portal calendars as they are. Secondly, since any player can leave his team any time and declare for the next portal, why have any portal calendars? It’s a free for all. The only restriction conceivable is the time lapse between transfer and eligibility to play for the new team. Enrollment, academic standing, etc is meaningless today.
 
soflabluedevil said:
It boggles the mind to try to understand how anyone would set up the portal calendars as they are. Secondly, since any player can leave his team any time and declare for the next portal, why have any portal calendars? It’s a free for all. The only restriction conceivable is the time lapse between transfer and eligibility to play for the new team. Enrollment, academic standing, etc is meaningless today.
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Like Broome leaving Auburn at halftime of a game they are losing and joining the other team.
 
Messimorgan17 said:
In this situation I don’t see any worry about recruits leaving for several reasons especially potential one and dones
One, the Duke brand is much stronger
Two, the successful program and infrastructure is already established and the recruit has a better chance of a strong post season run.
Three, based on what we know about Jai and his character, professionalism and relationships he wouldn’t even take them
And also realizing it’s not in the best interests of the recruits.

If a current player thinks they have a better future other than at Duke that’s another story and their prerogative to leave under the current rules.

This isn’t like Calipari taking recruits and his own players to Arkansas.

The biggest issue is the distraction to the team right before post season but think they can handle it. Jon has a strong structure in place. Remember for C- Well was originally the. Only Associate head coach.
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If a current player wants to follow Jai to Miami, that is their prerogative and I wouldn't begrudge either party. It would be a bit cleaner if the perception was that the player reached out to Jai rather than the other way, but either way, that is the way the game is played these days and I wouldn't fault either party.

I once followed a senior executive to a job at a competitor about nine months after she had left. That executive wanted to stay on good terms with the prior company and told me to make it very clear when I resigned to let the company I was leaving know that I had approached her about leaving, and that she hadn't actively poached me. I assume Jai would want something similar with a current player, though again, I wouldn't begrudge him for reaching out to players he thinks might be interested.
 
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