Jai to Miami

azzefkram said:
We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, I am a Duke fan, and what Jai chose to do was the worst possible outcome for Duke. I believe there was a path, while not ideal for all parties, that minimized the negative impact for Duke without unduly hindering Jai and Miami.

I am far too lazy to research this, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if many of the the posters who are "Nah, it's fine" with what Jai did were positively apoplectic at Tony Bennett leaving UVA before the start of the season.
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A head coach leaving is far different than an assistant, even if it's the top assistant.
And while some of us may have frowned upon it, UVA ain't our team, so I doubt there was any apocalypse amongst the DBR citizenry.
 
CameronBornAndBred said:
A head coach leaving is far different than an assistant, even if it's the top assistant.
And while some of us may have frowned upon it, UVA ain't our team, so I doubt there was any apocalypse amongst the DBR citizenry.
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Outside of announcing your departure at the immediate end of the season, there's no "good" time to lose your head coach. And I suspect many coaches feel like retiring at the end of the season, and choose to see how they feel after some time off.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but leaving right before tournaments seems absolutely absurd. Why not wait until after the season. I am sure I am repeating what everyone else said.
 
mark34 said:
I didn't read the whole thread, but leaving right before tournaments seems absolutely absurd. Why not wait until after the season. I am sure I am repeating what everyone else said.
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There's actually one very good reason that has been listed here several times. The discussion is all regarding the relative importance of said reason, and the relative impact on our team.
 
azzefkram said:
We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, I am a Duke fan, and what Jai chose to do was the worst possible outcome for Duke. I believe there was a path, while not ideal for all parties, that minimized the negative impact for Duke without unduly hindering Jai and Miami.

I am far too lazy to research this, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if many of the the posters who are "Nah, it's fine" with what Jai did were positively apoplectic at Tony Bennett leaving UVA before the start of the season.
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OTOH, I would be surprised.
 
I'm going to agree with Scheyer, who seems very cool with this. I'm surprised so many here are not willing to follow our head coach's lead.

I have to admit that the timing is unusual, but I think it's the world we now live in.

Best of luck to Jai.
 
azzefkram said:
I am far too lazy to research this, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if many of the the posters who are "Nah, it's fine" with what Jai did were positively apoplectic at Tony Bennett leaving UVA before the start of the season.
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I was going to fade away from this dumpster fire of a thread, but I was unfortunate enough to see this quote first. Apples and broom handles. Bennett left UVA for nothing (at least to date, as far as I know) and without any pressing outside influence. Jai left to try to follow a career path and was undoubtedly forced into it by a travesty of a portal calendar. I see no conflict whatsoever in the reactions to the two events you mention.
 
Edouble said:
With Jai leaving a bit early, does that mean Jon has the jump on hiring his replacement? Any thoughts on when the next domino will fall and if Jon could hire Jai's replacement for the postseason or promote someone internally to take over his non-recruiting responsibilities for the postseason?
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We have a HOF that recently coached at Duke that he can hire.
 
Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 said:
There's actually one very good reason that has been listed here several times. The discussion is all regarding the relative importance of said reason, and the relative impact on our team.
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Agreed. One of my pet peeves relating to online commentariats is the proclivity of some people to submit redundant or even ignorant (meant in the literal not pejorative sense) comments due to not bothering to read prior commentary. Seems to suggest something, I think. Can't speak for others, but I find it annoying.
 
I wish Coach Lucas nothing but the best. He’s done a great job at Duke and I hope he’ll find continued if not greater success elsewhere.

I also wish the move could have waited until after the season. I understand why it didn’t, but I wish it could’ve.
 
It’s not surprising that many of us are disappointed to see Jai leave, especially at this crucial juncture. I am too. But when I put myself in his shoes it makes sense. We’ll never know the options he’s presented with. Maybe he joined Miami immediately to lock down the position (perhaps Miami would continue its search if he didn’t commit to moving immediately). Maybe there was a substantial monetary incentive to joining sooner (would you turn down life changing money for your family for a so called “compact” with Duke?). I feel the same way CJS appears to feel about it- it’s bittersweet but understandable and I wish him well.
 
CameronBornAndBred said:
A head coach leaving is far different than an assistant, even if it's the top assistant.
And while some of us may have frowned upon it, UVA ain't our team, so I doubt there was any apocalypse amongst the DBR citizenry.
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True, but the timing is significantly worse (not that just before the season is great).

If I remember correctly, there was some minor wailing, teeth gnashing, chest pounding, and a tad bit of hair pulling. The latter may have been minimized by the amount of hair available.

I can understand why Jai chose his actions without liking them. I am a huge fan of personal freedom as long as it's balanced with personal responsibility. Honoring one's commitments is part of that.

As for Jon being okay with the move, I suspect he is, but we certainly don't know. There was no way someone as media-savvy as Jon was going to put anything but a glowing farewell.
 
coldriver10 said:
The only thing I care about is how this affects this year's team. Jon seems to be great at communicating, and I hope he manages to spin this to the players as both as positive for Jai and a direct challenge to the team because I think they will respond to that.

As for the "ethics" of taking recruits, it's part of the job to recruit the best players for your team. Having said that, if Signed Recruit goes with him to Miami, I admittedly would view it in a much better light if SR reached out to him and said "you're the one I connected with best, I'd love to play for you" than if Jai made contact and said "come play for UM instead of Duke, here's why we're a better fit for you." Neither is "wrong" but one certainly feels worse.
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If a kid has signed the NLI then another program cannot continue to recruit them by NCAA rules. That would be tampering and I believe it's still a level 2 violation. Once players enter the portal, of course other programs can recruit them.

-c
 
azzefkram said:
True, but the timing is significantly worse (not that just before the season is great).

If I remember correctly, there was some minor wailing, teeth gnashing, chest pounding, and a tad bit of hair pulling. The latter may have been minimized by the amount of hair available.

I can understand why Jai chose his actions without liking them. I am a huge fan of personal freedom as long as it's balanced with personal responsibility. Honoring one's commitments is part of that.

As for Jon being okay with the move, I suspect he is, but we certainly don't know. There was no way someone as media-savvy as Jon was going to put anything but a glowing farewell.
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Curious if you’ve ever left a job before?
 
azzefkram said:
We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, I am a Duke fan, and what Jai chose to do was the worst possible outcome for Duke. I believe there was a path, while not ideal for all parties, that minimized the negative impact for Duke without unduly hindering Jai and Miami.

I am far too lazy to research this, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if many of the the posters who are "Nah, it's fine" with what Jai did were positively apoplectic at Tony Bennett leaving UVA before the start of the season.
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Yeah, folks who apparently prefer Jai do great at Miami over Duke doing well in the tourney just perplex me. Maybe they're not Duke alums? I literally couldn't care less how Jai does once he leaves Duke. Actually, not quite true. Now that he's coaching a conference competitor, and leaving when we have the chance to set some history, I hope he does miserably.
 
Lots of myopia in this thread. Coach Scheyer is the Head Coach, and is instrumental to the teams success from year to year. And a major part of that success depends on the staff that he assembles.

Any young, excellent Associate Head Coach is going to have ambitions to land a top job somewhere else. It sucks for Duke to lose someone as talented and hard working as Coach Lucas, but in order for Scheyer to put together a program that excels year in year out, he is going to have to manage this type of turnover.

One way of managing that is helping young, ambitious assistants move on to opportunities at major programs.
 
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