Conference Realignment

duke2x said:
I can also see Duke trying but failing badly to do a ND-type deal with CBS/CBS Sports Network or Fox/FS 1 rather than joining the SEC or Big 12. (FS1 has gobbled up every Duke non-conference football game the past 3 years if you haven't noticed, but it's much harder to find than ACCN.) Saturday night public TV is so bad once the NFL playoffs become 1 game/day that Duke-DePaul basketball would be an improvement.
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I'm really confused by this part of your post. FS1? I looked back as far as I could find on goduke.com (2015), and I can only find three Duke football games on FS1 total: @Baylor (under the Big 12 contract), @Kansas (same), and @Northwestern (Big 10 contract). All this means is that those three games were considered less attractive than the games that aired on Fox, but attractive enough not to be pushed to BTN or streaming-only.
 
BlueDevil2K said:
I'm really confused by this part of your post. FS1? I looked back as far as I could find on goduke.com (2015), and I can only find three Duke football games on FS1 total: @Baylor (under the Big 12 contract), @Kansas (same), and @Northwestern (Big 10 contract). All this means is that those three games were considered less attractive than the games that aired on Fox, but attractive enough not to be pushed to BTN or streaming-only.
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FS1 was my effort to pair Duke's lesser football value with a non-cable network for basketball. Duke has only played 4 games that could be on the Fox contracts (including this year's NW game on FS1).
 
duke2x said:
Good post, and my response is long. Duke, whether the powers-to-be like it or not, has been a mid-level ACC and Big 10 football program from 2012-2023 on average. NW generally has held its own against the bottom 11/14 Big 10 teams when it's only 3-5 v. Duke since 2007. Nobody in the ACC is a serious threat to average more than 4-8 wins/year in SEC football. I am aware 2024 is going to be a disaster in football thanks to Elmo (3 wins likely, 4 wins tops).

I don't see a relationship between Duke and ESPN after this contract, and I don't think ESPN realizes that. ESPN is all-SEC and Big 12 basketball only, and neither of those options make any sense for Duke. I have heard that Duke apparently studied and concluded a long time ago that its options were ACC or D3. Even Ivy and Patriot non-scholarship options were not serious. I think an updated review would put Duke only in the Big 10 or Big East with Fox given the factions I've noted before (academics, costs, internal Duke politics). Relatively speaking, ESPN has non-CBB options once it loses the college basketball cash cow in Durham.

I can also see Duke trying but failing badly to do a ND-type deal with CBS/CBS Sports Network or Fox/FS 1 rather than joining the SEC or Big 12. (FS1 has gobbled up every Duke non-conference football game the past 3 years if you haven't noticed, but it's much harder to find than ACCN.) Saturday night public TV is so bad once the NFL playoffs become 1 game/day that Duke-DePaul basketball would be an improvement.
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I hear that you don’t think the Big 12 is viable for Duke, but I’m not seeing any details as to why. Can you explain your thought process?

You also mention that Duke did an analysis saying that they would either be ACC or D3. I’m incredibly skeptical of that. How long ago was that analysis done? Was that back before Duke committed to competent football?
 
It is not true that Duke has decided it's the ACC or D3. Money is being put into football for a reason...none of us knows how this will work out.
 
Mike Petrik said:
That Black males today are increasingly choosing not to qualify for or participate in higher education is a serious problem with perhaps many causes, but I don’t see how Duke itself is one of them. Just my opinion, you may prefer to blame Duke of course.
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I’m sorry (ok, I’m not), but the part I’ve bolded is inherently political, divisive, and very problematically absolutely phrased. No, no, no.
 
AustinDevil said:
I’m sorry (ok, I’m not), but the part I’ve bolded is inherently political, divisive, and very problematically absolutely phrased. No, no, no.
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I have no desire to debate the linguistic or philosophical meaning of “choosing,” let alone the existence of Black male agency, especially on this forum. Please consider my post amended to simply say “increasingly not qualifying….” Content now?
 
Mike Petrik said:
I have no desire to debate the linguistic or philosophical meaning of “choosing,” let alone the existence of Black male agency, especially on this forum. Please consider my post amended to simply say “increasingly not qualifying….” Content now?
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I am thrilled to accept your withdrawing your statement that Black American male college qualification, or the lack thereof, is unconditionally a matter of Black American male choice.
 
UCLA and USC will be doing some travel as well, unless the B1G moves their teams .....
Blue in the Face said:
That's more than all but six NFL teams will travel for the regular season this year. Four of the six have 9 road games this year. One of them has a road game in London.
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Not sure I get all the hand wringing about ACC travel. How about USC and UCLA in the B1G? UCLA plays at Hawaii, (evidently the travel doesn't bother them), at Indiana, at LSU, at Penn State, at Rutgers.
 
budwom said:
UCLA and USC will be doing some travel as well, unless the B1G moves their teams .....

Not sure I get all the hand wringing about ACC travel. How about USC and UCLA in the B1G? UCLA plays at Hawaii, (evidently the travel doesn't bother them), at Indiana, at LSU, at Penn State, at Rutgers.
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Well a few thoughts. First, there IS "hand wringing" over this in certain circles in the B1G. Quick Google search can find it.

Second, I"m not sure it's really merely hand wringing...in that I'm not sure the concerns are not legit. Travel is COSTLY in time, money and in health to a certain degree. Especially doing so with commercial flights....which I would think is how all teams except football and basketball will travel. This is gonna get OLD in so many ways......for those doing it and for those paying for it.

Third, I'm pretty sure there is a "Hawaii exception" to travel hand wringing......:) -- just a hunch.
 
budwom said:
UCLA and USC will be doing some travel as well, unless the B1G moves their teams .....

Not sure I get all the hand wringing about ACC travel. How about USC and UCLA in the B1G? UCLA plays at Hawaii, (evidently the travel doesn't bother them), at Indiana, at LSU, at Penn State, at Rutgers.
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Definitely not ACC specific. what a great idea for the fencing team to spend 12 - hours or more traveling to and from their games or matches. /s . Dumb is apparently contagious.
 
I agree that the geography is insane. But my understanding is that many of the lower revenue sports are doing smart things in other conferences. As in "volleyball tournament in the Midwest so you can play several teams on conference" or "West Coast road swing so we can get three road games in and be away for a week, not taking three trips."

These situations are a bit ludicrous, but there are pretty straight forward solutions that make it easier on players.
 
As I've pointed out numerous times when this debate inevitably rekindles, the B12 contract is up for renegotiation in the back half of this decade while the ACC contract isn't up until a few years later.

If the ACC can hold together for another ~3-4 years, that will be a huge card to flip over. If the B12 contract looks great, the ACC may be in trouble if teams start angling the B12 has passed the ACC in valuation OR the ACC may feel empowered that its contract negotiation will be similarly strong. If the B12 contract looks not great, the ACC may have an opportunity to reinforce its ranks with some top-tier B12 teams in a high-grading of sorts that firmly entrenches the ACC as the 3rd best conference.

A lot of ifs. As Budwom rightly pointed out upthread. But in terms of seeing the next card, that is an absolutely huge one IMO. If we can simply hold on to get there.

- Chillin
 
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