As a fairly recent example of "moderate" policy advanced via a Democratic administration (unanimously voted for by Republicans)... anybody remember the 1994 crime bill? Yea, that didn't have any negative and severely harmful consequences. Biden's hands were on that too btw.
Biden is on pace to deport more people in his four years than Trump did in his first term. Border apprehension and expulsions are higher now than the were under Trump. Biden has also imposed onerous (and incidentally, illegal) new regulations that make it hard to enter the United States as an asylum seeker.
Don’t forget trump asked the GOP to tank Biden’s immigration bill so he could more effectively run on the issue.
Fecklessness, thy name is Merrick Garland.
Yeah, the Trump campaign has done a really clever job of convincing the public that the Democratic party has an open border policy, when that is simply completely inaccurate.
Re-upping this before the thread closes, and in case others have missed it... Go back to this post (#2016) - odd coincidence?? - and react there if you're interested.Not sure the best way to gather this. If mods are ok with it and if anyone is down for a separate closed group conversation just throw a likehere and I can get something started later this week once this thread is closed.
So far I've got Chicago 1995, King of Defense, and acdevil that have expressed interest in earlier response.
Very carefully.
Either you're in or you're out.
Reposting below an exchange from the old thread with SkyB on this point. The fact that the GOP has exaggerated reality doesn't in any way absolve some very real accountability on the part of the Biden Administration around immigration issues, which proved difficult to shake in this election cycle even with some clear changes in policy in the meantime.
No disputing the demagoguery by the GOP on this issue. But the pronounced surges in illegal border crossings - even when netted for deportations, returns and expulsions - under Biden is not GOP spin. Nor were the pleads for action from mayors and governors from his own party. Nor were complaints from some Black and Hispanic communities that illegal immigrants were being treated better than they were.
I think we are too, and I've always voted that way. I just don't know that the voter like I described *isn't* voting that way too. That it benefits them more directly doesn't mean it is a selfish vote. And it's easier to vote against your economic self-interest for a lot of the people on a message board that is by-and-large Duke graduates than it is for people in rural Illinois, on average.
Ok, but asylum seekers are only one aspect of immigration. Does the Democratic platform support increased provisions for preventing illegal immigration? If so, what provisions (obviously not a wall)? Do they support deportation in any situation other than commission of a crime? What is their stance on visas and green cards? Should those be increased? Decreased?
Well the disconnect to me is that I interpret “being in this all together” as voting against the threat of dictatorship. I have no problem with voting on policy issues but many of us see dangerous rhetoric that either others don’t or do not care about. What the Kamala campaign really did wrong was not convince enough people of that threat or misjudged how many cared. If that threat is imagined then “yay!” and the more important issues to more people apparently prevailed. I’ll take the tax breaks and not complain then but I remain highly skeptical…
Practice. Practice. Practice.
We talking about practice!
