Way-Too-Early Projected Lineups and Stat Lines for the 2024-2025 Season

I asked Microsoft's Copilot "who is likely to start for Duke men's basketball in 2025"? It's safe to say the first two lineups aren't going to happen. I think the third is possible, but unlikely. Here's the full response:

The Duke Blue Devils have undergone significant changes in their roster for the 2024-25 season. Let's take a look at some potential starting lineups based on available talent and projections:

1. **McCain, Foster, Flagg, Stewart, and Ngongba**: This lineup combines versatility, athleticism, and experience¹. It features Jared McCain, Caleb Foster, Cooper Flagg, Mark Mitchell, and Patrick Ngongba. Keep in mind that this might not be the most feasible starting lineup, but it could be used strategically against teams lacking athletes².

2. **Roach, Proctor, McCain, Mitchell, and Filipowski**: Another possibility is starting with Jeremy Roach, Tyrese Proctor, Jared McCain, Mark Mitchell, and Kyle Filipowski³. This lineup emphasizes skill and balance.

3. **Proctor, James, Gillis, Flagg, and Maluach**: According to some predictions, this lineup could be likely: Tyrese Proctor, Sion James, Mason Gillis, Cooper Flagg, and Khaman Maluach⁵. It offers a mix of experience and fresh talent.

Remember that these lineups are speculative, and the actual starting lineup will depend on various factors, including player development, coaching decisions, and game situations. Duke fans can look forward to an exciting season with the new roster! 🏀🔵😊¹²³⁵

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 5/27/2024
(1) Duke 2024-25 roster tracker, from Cooper Flagg to Mason Gillis. https://dukewire.usatoday.com/lists...ker-cooper-flagg-mason-gillis-khaman-maluach/.
(2) With commitments rolling in, what will Duke's roster look like in 2024-25?. https://www.dukewisdom.org/single-p...-what-will-duke-s-roster-look-like-in-2024-25.
(3) Duke Basketball Starting Lineup: Updated Blue Devils’ Starting 5. https://www.lineups.com/articles/college-basketball-starting-lineups-duke-blue-devils/.
(4) Duke’s 2024-25 starting lineup predictions after the transfer portal. https://dukewire.usatoday.com/lists...ters-transfer-portal-cooper-flagg-sion-james/.
(5) Duke Blue Devils 2023-24 Men's College Basketball Roster - ESPN. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/roster/_/id/150.

So, I thought this was a cool idea, and I've been looking for questions to test AI sources with lately, so I wanted to try this again. The challenge with most chatbots is that they are trained on data sets from some time in the past -- you can't get answers based on the most current data available. So I tried feeding this question into Perplexity, which augments chatbot models with current web searches. Here's what it came up with when I asked it, "who is likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season".

Based on the provided search results, here are the players likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season:
## Projected Starters
1. Tyrese Proctor (Junior Guard) - The returning veteran point guard who was Duke's primary facilitator last season. He is expected to run the offense.[1][2]
2. Cooper Flagg (Freshman Forward) - The projected top pick in the 2025 NBA Draft and headliner of Duke's No. 1 ranked 2024 recruiting class. An elite talent who should start immediately.[1][4]
3. Khaman Maluach (Freshman Center) - A 7-foot-2 five-star center recruit, projected as a lottery pick in 2025. Could form an elite defensive duo with Flagg.[1]
4. Maliq Brown (Senior Guard/Forward Transfer from Syracuse) - An All-ACC defensive player who can score efficiently. Expected to be a key complementary veteran piece.[1][2]
5. Mason Gillis (Senior Forward Transfer from Purdue) - The reigning Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year provides reliable outside shooting as a potential starter or sixth man.[1][2]
Other candidates for the starting five include freshman wings Isaiah Evans and Kon Knueppel, who bring scoring punch,[1] and sophomore guard Caleb Foster, who was a part-time starter last season when healthy.[2]
So in summary, Duke's projected 2024-25 starting lineup features the star freshman duo of Flagg and Maluach, along with veteran returner Proctor and impactful transfers Brown and Gillis.[1][2][4]
Sources
[1] Duke basketball roster 2024-25 update after transfer portal closed https://www.fayobserver.com/story/s...eyer-cooper-flagg-tyrese-proctor/73495870007/
[2] Duke's 2024-25 starting lineup predictions after the transfer portal https://dukewire.usatoday.com/lists...ters-transfer-portal-cooper-flagg-sion-james/
[3] 2023-24 Men's Basketball Roster - Duke University https://goduke.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
[4] What will Duke basketball roster look like in 2024-25 season? https://www.fayobserver.com/story/s...agg-kyle-filipowski-jared-mccain/73163633007/
[5] Duke 2024-25 roster: Tulane's Sion James commits to Blue Devils ... https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...ommits-to-blue-devils-out-of-transfer-portal/


That's...a pretty reasonable guess. I might start Sion James over Gillis, or Foster may stay in the starting lineup, but there's a decent chance we will see that lineup starting at some point during the season.
 
Not a typo

Is this a typo on your part or did the AI say Sean Stewart and then revert to Mark Mitchell as the starter?

AI ain't taking over the world any time soon.

In the Copilot output, I chose "Copy" and then pasted it into my post. No typo on my part.
 
So, I thought this was a cool idea, and I've been looking for questions to test AI sources with lately, so I wanted to try this again. The challenge with most chatbots is that they are trained on data sets from some time in the past -- you can't get answers based on the most current data available. So I tried feeding this question into Perplexity, which augments chatbot models with current web searches. Here's what it came up with when I asked it, "who is likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season".

Based on the provided search results, here are the players likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season:
## Projected Starters
1. Tyrese Proctor (Junior Guard) - The returning veteran point guard who was Duke's primary facilitator last season. He is expected to run the offense.[1][2]
2. Cooper Flagg (Freshman Forward) - The projected top pick in the 2025 NBA Draft and headliner of Duke's No. 1 ranked 2024 recruiting class. An elite talent who should start immediately.[1][4]
3. Khaman Maluach (Freshman Center) - A 7-foot-2 five-star center recruit, projected as a lottery pick in 2025. Could form an elite defensive duo with Flagg.[1]
4. Maliq Brown (Senior Guard/Forward Transfer from Syracuse) - An All-ACC defensive player who can score efficiently. Expected to be a key complementary veteran piece.[1][2]
5. Mason Gillis (Senior Forward Transfer from Purdue) - The reigning Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year provides reliable outside shooting as a potential starter or sixth man.[1][2]
Other candidates for the starting five include freshman wings Isaiah Evans and Kon Knueppel, who bring scoring punch,[1] and sophomore guard Caleb Foster, who was a part-time starter last season when healthy.[2]
So in summary, Duke's projected 2024-25 starting lineup features the star freshman duo of Flagg and Maluach, along with veteran returner Proctor and impactful transfers Brown and Gillis.[1][2][4]
Sources
[1] Duke basketball roster 2024-25 update after transfer portal closed https://www.fayobserver.com/story/s...eyer-cooper-flagg-tyrese-proctor/73495870007/
[2] Duke's 2024-25 starting lineup predictions after the transfer portal https://dukewire.usatoday.com/lists...ters-transfer-portal-cooper-flagg-sion-james/
[3] 2023-24 Men's Basketball Roster - Duke University https://goduke.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
[4] What will Duke basketball roster look like in 2024-25 season? https://www.fayobserver.com/story/s...agg-kyle-filipowski-jared-mccain/73163633007/
[5] Duke 2024-25 roster: Tulane's Sion James commits to Blue Devils ... https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...ommits-to-blue-devils-out-of-transfer-portal/


That's...a pretty reasonable guess. I might start Sion James over Gillis, or Foster may stay in the starting lineup, but there's a decent chance we will see that lineup starting at some point during the season.

That's a lot better output than Copilot. But I would be very surprised if we have a single game where neither Foster nor James starts...
 
So, I thought this was a cool idea, and I've been looking for questions to test AI sources with lately, so I wanted to try this again. The challenge with most chatbots is that they are trained on data sets from some time in the past -- you can't get answers based on the most current data available. So I tried feeding this question into Perplexity, which augments chatbot models with current web searches. Here's what it came up with when I asked it, "who is likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season".

Based on the provided search results, here are the players likely to start for Duke men's basketball in the 2024-2025 season:
## Projected Starters
1. Tyrese Proctor (Junior Guard) - The returning veteran point guard who was Duke's primary facilitator last season. He is expected to run the offense.[1][2]
2. Cooper Flagg (Freshman Forward) - The projected top pick in the 2025 NBA Draft and headliner of Duke's No. 1 ranked 2024 recruiting class. An elite talent who should start immediately.[1][4]
3. Khaman Maluach (Freshman Center) - A 7-foot-2 five-star center recruit, projected as a lottery pick in 2025. Could form an elite defensive duo with Flagg.[1]
4. Maliq Brown (Senior Guard/Forward Transfer from Syracuse) - An All-ACC defensive player who can score efficiently. Expected to be a key complementary veteran piece.[1][2]
5. Mason Gillis (Senior Forward Transfer from Purdue) - The reigning Big Ten Sixth Man of the Year provides reliable outside shooting as a potential starter or sixth man.[1][2]
Other candidates for the starting five include freshman wings Isaiah Evans and Kon Knueppel, who bring scoring punch,[1] and sophomore guard Caleb Foster, who was a part-time starter last season when healthy.[2]

That's...a pretty reasonable guess. I might start Sion James over Gillis, or Foster may stay in the starting lineup, but there's a decent chance we will see that lineup starting at some point during the season.
My initial thought was how we've gone from low-impact transfers to (hopefully) multiple high-impact transfers. I mean, an All-ACC defender and 6th Man of the Year, that's impressive.

From that lineup, my only question would be Maluach, who I'm guessing makes the lineup largely based on his elite high school ranking. Bigs seem so hard to project in terms of if/when they will have an impact.
 
With Maluach it's the fact that NBA scouts are projecting him as a top-5 draft pick. It would be unprecedented for him not to start and play big minutes. Some have warned he could develop slowly like Mark Williams, but I don't think big Mark was in any NBA mock first rounds entering Duke...

Not to say he's not a long way from a finished product. I expect we will see major improvement during the season.
 
That's a lot better output than Copilot. But I would be very surprised if we have a single game where neither Foster nor James starts...


I agree, however, the one thing that bugs me is that Perplexity AI lists Maliq Brown as a guard/forward when he's really a forward/center. Also, it lists him as a senior but he'll be a junior this upcoming school year. Overall, it's a much more accurate response than Microsoft Copilot's.
 
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For me... those ChatGPT, Perplexity, CoPilot, etc are all "artificial" intelligence... whereas, here on DBR, we are blessed with "real" intelligence. :cool:
 
For me... those ChatGPT, Perplexity, CoPilot, etc are all "artificial" intelligence... whereas, here on DBR, we are blessed with "real" intelligence. :cool:

And if you want to see the very high level of intelligence on DBR go to the off topic board. I have learned so much about medicine law movies …you name the topic …. Over there
 
Would be pretty interesting to see a sports-focused site like an ESPN,24/7, etc take the big LLMs and fine tune them for sports use cases, predictions, etc.

The LLMs are too horizontally focused to accurately predict something like this (clearly) but if fine tuned, would be interesting to see the results. They have been compelling in other industries.
 
I found this article:
I have no idea who this guy Tristan Newman is - whether he has any special insights into the team - but his projections seem pretty reasonable to me except for maybe having Evans ahead of K2 and Gillis in minutes played...

He also has Maliq playing all his minutes at the 5. I think we may see Maliq and Khaman on the floor together some.
 
I have no idea who this guy Tristan Newman is - whether he has any special insights into the team - but his projections seem pretty reasonable to me except for maybe having Evans ahead of K2 and Gillis in minutes played...

He also has Maliq playing all his minutes at the 5. I think we may see Maliq and Khaman on the floor together some.
What is unreasonable about Evans getting more minutes than K2? I still see that as plausible and maybe even probable.

The projection of Foster’s minutes in this piece seems further from reason.
 
What is unreasonable about Evans getting more minutes than K2? I still see that as plausible and maybe even probable.

The projection of Foster’s minutes in this piece seems further from reason.
I said "maybe" not reasonable. Kon is the higher rated recruit and has been getting all the buzz from players and analysts this summer. But it's definitely possible Evans is ahead of him....
 
Here's another projection of the starting lineup, but no minutes predictions:

I contend this is just a lazy take if you don't allocate the minutes. He has his bench listed as Gillis, James, K2 and Evans. Which one of these guys is playing 15mpg at the 5 backing up Maluach? 🤓
 
And if you want to see the very high level of intelligence on DBR go to the off topic board. I have learned so much about medicine law movies …you name the topic …. Over there
I must go there to learn about these medicine law movies! 😀
 
I said "maybe" not reasonable. Kon is the higher rated recruit and has been getting all the buzz from players and analysts this summer. But it's definitely possible Evans is ahead of him....
Evans is rated higher according to composite rankings and 24/7.

 
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