Phredd3
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I don't understand this theory. In essence, it sums up to me as putting in a lesser player so he can get better. But isn't that what practice is for? You want the best performers on the floor in games, especially competitive games.
MBB: Duke 86, Notre Dame 78 Postgame Thread
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SkyBrickey
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I'm concerned it could be something more serious. I'll feel a lot better when we hear it's game to game.
doctorhook
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Practice and game are not the same.
How about this scenario.
We are in a critical game/stretch in March when the games are competitive. Kon gets in foul trouble or worse gets injured. Evans has to play more and is still raw the way he is at the present time.
DBKilby
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I wouldn't worry. I think Evans will get more playing time. Today was a blimp. We will start blowing out teams and he will get his minutes. Miami this Tuesday looks good for him.
Metrics
The game wasn't as bad as the score would indicate, but darn if Notre Dame didn't bury a TON of 3s. That and our inability to force turnovers was the biggest issue in this one. Thankfully, the offense came to play. And thankfully Allocco missed that late 3, or it would have been a really stressful finish.
OFFENSE:
Possessions: 64.6 (a really slow pace, as is our style thanks to grinding on defense)
oRtg: 133.1 (135.3 adjusted; would be #1 nationally, and our 4th elite performance offensively in the last 5 games)
eFG%: 62.2% (outstanding)
3pt%: 33.3% (mediocre to poor)
2pt%: 76.2% (unbelievable; a lot of layups and dunks)
%threes: 53.3% (way too high a percentage, although some of that was getting fouled on 2s)
FT rate: 77.8% (where did THAT come from?!?!?)
OR%: 30.4% (poor)
TO%: 12.4% (excellent)
a/to: 2.1 (very good)
fast break pts: 13 (solid)
DEFENSE:
dRtg: 120.7 (107.7 adjusted; would be #213 in the country)
eFG%: 59.6 (awful)
3pt%: 58.3% (unbelievable)
2pt%: 39.4% (excellent)
%threes: 42.1% (high-ish)
FT rate: 28.1% (decent)
DR%: 84.4% (excellent)
TO%: 10.8 (awful)
a/to: 2.1 (poor)
stl%: 3.1% (poor)
blk%: 3.0% (2pt shots) (poor)
fast break pts: 2 (excellent)
Process-wise, the defense did well. They didn't foul too much, they dominated the glass, they were suffocating in the paint, and they chased all over the court. Unfortunately, Notre Dame stretched the floor, and to some extent there's not much you can do when a team has several capable 3pt shooters on the floor. Credit the Irish for moving the ball well, and hitting shots when they got them. Duke made it hard work, but they stayed committed and it mostly worked for the Irish offensively.
On the other end, though, it was a dominant display. Duke punished them inside over and over again. They drew fouls at an exceptional rate, dunked and layed up repeatedly. We got a little 3pt happy for a stretch, and that almost proved costly. But the offense overall was outstanding and carried the day on a night where the opponent's great shooting night could have spelled disaster.
The game wasn't as bad as the score would indicate, but darn if Notre Dame didn't bury a TON of 3s. That and our inability to force turnovers was the biggest issue in this one. Thankfully, the offense came to play. And thankfully Allocco missed that late 3, or it would have been a really stressful finish.
OFFENSE:
Possessions: 64.6 (a really slow pace, as is our style thanks to grinding on defense)
oRtg: 133.1 (135.3 adjusted; would be #1 nationally, and our 4th elite performance offensively in the last 5 games)
eFG%: 62.2% (outstanding)
3pt%: 33.3% (mediocre to poor)
2pt%: 76.2% (unbelievable; a lot of layups and dunks)
%threes: 53.3% (way too high a percentage, although some of that was getting fouled on 2s)
FT rate: 77.8% (where did THAT come from?!?!?)
OR%: 30.4% (poor)
TO%: 12.4% (excellent)
a/to: 2.1 (very good)
fast break pts: 13 (solid)
DEFENSE:
dRtg: 120.7 (107.7 adjusted; would be #213 in the country)
eFG%: 59.6 (awful)
3pt%: 58.3% (unbelievable)
2pt%: 39.4% (excellent)
%threes: 42.1% (high-ish)
FT rate: 28.1% (decent)
DR%: 84.4% (excellent)
TO%: 10.8 (awful)
a/to: 2.1 (poor)
stl%: 3.1% (poor)
blk%: 3.0% (2pt shots) (poor)
fast break pts: 2 (excellent)
Process-wise, the defense did well. They didn't foul too much, they dominated the glass, they were suffocating in the paint, and they chased all over the court. Unfortunately, Notre Dame stretched the floor, and to some extent there's not much you can do when a team has several capable 3pt shooters on the floor. Credit the Irish for moving the ball well, and hitting shots when they got them. Duke made it hard work, but they stayed committed and it mostly worked for the Irish offensively.
On the other end, though, it was a dominant display. Duke punished them inside over and over again. They drew fouls at an exceptional rate, dunked and layed up repeatedly. We got a little 3pt happy for a stretch, and that almost proved costly. But the offense overall was outstanding and carried the day on a night where the opponent's great shooting night could have spelled disaster.
Well, the posters worried about how Duke would perform in a tight game got their wish. I tend to prefer consistent dominance, but it's nice to know that Duke can beat a team having their A+++ game when Duke has their C- game.
Outstanding games from Cooper, Khaman, and Mason. Everyone else should be running laps.
I do think some posters participation trophy the fudge out of some players.
Good news is Duke had a young team game against a team it could afford to.
Outstanding games from Cooper, Khaman, and Mason. Everyone else should be running laps.
I do think some posters participation trophy the fudge out of some players.
Good news is Duke had a young team game against a team it could afford to.
Matches
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Agreed. And if playing in games does lead to improvement, it stands to reason your better players will also improve the more they play. Both Kon and Evans are freshmen. Neither of them is anywhere near their ceiling. They both can and will improve.
SouthernDukie
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When I slightly tore the meniscus in my left knee about 30 years ago I didn’t know anything substantial had happened for several hours. Hoping he’s fine.
brevity
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I have selective memory and an active imagination, but I believe the announcers' discussion of Khaman Maluach went like this:
"Has a Duke player ever provided the kind of rim protection that Man-Man is giving us right now?"
"No way. I mean, he Land-lorded over the defense!"
"Just like a G-Man out there. Assign him a government badge."
"He left his Big Mark in the post!"
"Watches over all that he surveys, like a Parks ranger."
"The blocks are recorded, but the action is D-Live!"
"So we're in agreement. We can't think of anybody else."
Sion-Evans-Kon-Coop-Malauch? OK they shot it better from 3 in the past 3, small sample size. He's still a better shooter from 3 overall. You can't leave him wide open which a zone can do. Kon is a rhythm shooter he's not a pure shooter. If he's not shooting at all or involved he's not going to cash his 3s when he do shoot which is why you see him barely hit rim on those 2 3s he did take. Coop took over and nobody else had rhythm by the time they went zone so if you're asking would I trust Evans to hit wide open 3s than Kon when that happens? Hell yeah
Well, it was closer than I expected but we hung on. If I"m thinking correctly, Cooper was responsible for at least 56 of our 86 points. He scored 42 on his on and had 7 assists. Great game and was efficient. Khaman had a terrific game, playing 32 minutes, scoring 19 points and securing 10 rebounds. He made 7 0f his 8 FTs. Kon had 13 points on shot 3-8 and 2-7. ND played him tough on his 3s and it seemed to make him hurry his shot.
As for the Evans taking minutes from Kon, I say he should take most of Calebs. Or maybe see what Harris can do playing in meaningful minutes. Of course, I don't see the team practice so that may be way off base. I just know Caleb has been given a pretty long leash and it's not working. My wife asked me if that's the player I call "dribble, dribble" in the game today.
GoDuke!
As for the Evans taking minutes from Kon, I say he should take most of Calebs. Or maybe see what Harris can do playing in meaningful minutes. Of course, I don't see the team practice so that may be way off base. I just know Caleb has been given a pretty long leash and it's not working. My wife asked me if that's the player I call "dribble, dribble" in the game today.
GoDuke!
SkyBrickey
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So you're pulling Proctor off the floor for Evans? Proctor is a 43% 3-pt shooter who can also drive the ball. And he's one of our best defenders and ball handlers. In a close game, I'm not taking Tyrese out of the game.
doctorhook
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Agree although I think Kon is closer to his ceiling than Evans.
Hold on a sec... (scanning through Merriam-Webster) yep that is the official definition of crazypants.
SkyBrickey
Member
Khaman's game was overshadowed by Cooper but the big guy just keeps getting better and better. Cooper seems really dialed in to finding him now in the lob game too. Kon, Sion, Cooper are all seeking out that lob inside.
Khaman must have switched out on Burton 8-10 times. Burton got him a couple of times, but considering he's one of the quickest guards in CBB, I thought Khaman did a nice job. Amazing we are now switching 1-5.
Oh, and Man Man also showed a little fire today right after Burton slapped the ball out of Cooper's hands after the whistle. The double technical. He's shown flashes of some competitive nastiness like that during the season - I think that will serve him well in his NBA battles.
kshepinthehouse
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Neither player has ever scored 20 points in a game so I’m not sure how you can say that would be easy for them.
brevity
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Duke 86, Notre Dame 78 (recap, box score, highlights, condensed game, full replay, presser)
Freshman Cooper Flagg set the Duke and ACC freshman scoring records and became the first Blue Devil to score at least 40 points since JJ Redick, pouring in 42 points to lead No. 4 Duke to an 86-78 victory over Notre Dame on Saturday, Jan. 11.
The Blue Devils (14-2, 6-0 ACC) weathered a hot-shooting effort by the Fighting Irish (7-9, 1-4 ACC) to eventually extend their winning streak to 10 games – tied for the longest winning streak for Duke under head coach Jon Scheyer.
Flagg was joined in double-figures by his classmates Khaman Maluach and Kon Knueppel. Maluach also had a career day, scoring a career-high 19 points on 6-of-7 (.857) shooting, while Knueppel connected on multiple three-pointers en route to 13 total points.
So many videos already. In addition to the ACC Digital Network highlights linked above, ESPN has their own highlight reel:
Both ACC Digital Network and ESPN have highlights specific to Cooper Flagg's 42-point performance. I'll post the former:
ACCDN also has Khaman Maluach highlights:
Carolina Blitz has postgame comments from Jon Scheyer, and GoDuke has quotes:
Coach Scheyer: "For us, I think to play in a tight game was really good, because you have to make plays and feel the value of every possession on the defensive end and offensive end. I thought we had some uncharacteristic turnovers down the stretch, and so I thought it was a great experience. Really, really good win for us. Obviously, Cooper had an all-time special performance. The stats speak for itself with 42 [points], six [rebounds] and seven [assists], he got fouled 13 times. But more than that, I thought it was just his timing of key plays. Anytime we needed a basket, he came through. The will throughout, he just willed us. The fact that it translated to 42 is great, but to me, it was just his competitiveness and the timing of his key plays."
"I don't [have a Maliq Brown update]. Maliq is proven to be one of our toughest guys, easily, and so the fact that he couldn't go back in the game, I don't think is a good sign. We're going to get imaging and get him looked at ASAP. I didn't see [what happened] but something with his knee, where he bumped knees or something like that, so I'm concerned. I thought Pat [Patrick Ngongba] stepped up and gave us some really good moments, and we believe in him. Maliq just provides such a different versatility with his defense. This is a game -- with Maliq and the switching, it's calling his name -- and so they went small for most of the game, which made it difficult for us matchup wise. But we're getting him looked at, take care of him, and we'll see what the deal is."
If I come across a Micah Shrewsberry presser, I'll add it to the thread later.
Finally, Carolina Blitz also has a locker room interview with Mr. Life, The Universe, and Everything:
Freshman Cooper Flagg set the Duke and ACC freshman scoring records and became the first Blue Devil to score at least 40 points since JJ Redick, pouring in 42 points to lead No. 4 Duke to an 86-78 victory over Notre Dame on Saturday, Jan. 11.
The Blue Devils (14-2, 6-0 ACC) weathered a hot-shooting effort by the Fighting Irish (7-9, 1-4 ACC) to eventually extend their winning streak to 10 games – tied for the longest winning streak for Duke under head coach Jon Scheyer.
Flagg was joined in double-figures by his classmates Khaman Maluach and Kon Knueppel. Maluach also had a career day, scoring a career-high 19 points on 6-of-7 (.857) shooting, while Knueppel connected on multiple three-pointers en route to 13 total points.
So many videos already. In addition to the ACC Digital Network highlights linked above, ESPN has their own highlight reel:
Both ACC Digital Network and ESPN have highlights specific to Cooper Flagg's 42-point performance. I'll post the former:
ACCDN also has Khaman Maluach highlights:
Carolina Blitz has postgame comments from Jon Scheyer, and GoDuke has quotes:
Coach Scheyer: "For us, I think to play in a tight game was really good, because you have to make plays and feel the value of every possession on the defensive end and offensive end. I thought we had some uncharacteristic turnovers down the stretch, and so I thought it was a great experience. Really, really good win for us. Obviously, Cooper had an all-time special performance. The stats speak for itself with 42 [points], six [rebounds] and seven [assists], he got fouled 13 times. But more than that, I thought it was just his timing of key plays. Anytime we needed a basket, he came through. The will throughout, he just willed us. The fact that it translated to 42 is great, but to me, it was just his competitiveness and the timing of his key plays."
"I don't [have a Maliq Brown update]. Maliq is proven to be one of our toughest guys, easily, and so the fact that he couldn't go back in the game, I don't think is a good sign. We're going to get imaging and get him looked at ASAP. I didn't see [what happened] but something with his knee, where he bumped knees or something like that, so I'm concerned. I thought Pat [Patrick Ngongba] stepped up and gave us some really good moments, and we believe in him. Maliq just provides such a different versatility with his defense. This is a game -- with Maliq and the switching, it's calling his name -- and so they went small for most of the game, which made it difficult for us matchup wise. But we're getting him looked at, take care of him, and we'll see what the deal is."
If I come across a Micah Shrewsberry presser, I'll add it to the thread later.
Finally, Carolina Blitz also has a locker room interview with Mr. Life, The Universe, and Everything:
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Yeh, I loved that Khaman took up for his team mate today. I've been pleasantly surprised that Khaman can switch on any of the 5 players.
GoDuke!