Duke Football 2024

The notion of watching Nan ring the victory bell makes me chuckle. I have it on very good authority how much of a boost it was when Brodhead took over. He liked football. Nan, not so much. (I also remember when Nan foolishly thought that being President put her in charge of Coach K. Ha. )
I don't think Wellesley College had a "victory bell", unless maybe they rang a small bell when they beat Smith College in a Scrabble tournament.
Re: Nan and Coach K. I remember watching an interview with President Brodhead and Coach K (I can't remember who was interviewing whom, at the time), but it was obvious that Coach K knew he was the King of the university and President Brodhead was just one of his minions.
 
I don't think Wellesley College had a "victory bell", unless maybe they rang a small bell when they beat Smith College in a Scrabble tournament.
Re: Nan and Coach K. I remember watching an interview with President Brodhead and Coach K (I can't remember who was interviewing whom, at the time), but it was obvious that Coach K knew he was the King of the university and President Brodhead was just one of his minions.
Rumor has it Wellesley rings a victory bell every year on the anniversary of the takeover of Radcliffe by Harvard, which signified total and unconditional victory over its former rival
 
...I remember watching an interview with President Brodhead and Coach K (I can't remember who was interviewing whom, at the time), but it was obvious that Coach K knew he was the King of the university and President Brodhead was just one of his minions.
President Brodhead's first official day on campus at Duke was July 1, 2004, and Coach K reaffirmed that he'd stay at Duke on July 5. I will believe until the day that I die that K's very public mulling of the Lakers' offer (in pretty stark contrast to the close-to-the-vest way he handled most stuff like that) was in part a strategy meant to, erm, aid in the delivery of the above-quoted message.

Comment on Nan withheld (or perhaps redacted...) entirely.
 
President Brodhead's first official day on campus at Duke was July 1, 2004, and Coach K reaffirmed that he'd stay at Duke on July 5. I will believe until the day that I die that K's very public mulling of the Lakers' offer (in pretty stark contrast to the close-to-the-vest way he handled most stuff like that) was in part a strategy meant to, erm, aid in the delivery of the above-quoted message.

Comment on Nan withheld (or perhaps redacted...) entirely.
Yes, I remember that quite well. If my memory is correct, when the news first broke the Coach K was in serious talks with the Lakers about becoming their coach (in late June 2004), a group of students, then on campus, gathered near CIS and had signs and were chanting to implore Coach K to remain at Duke and newly-installed President Brodhead joined in with the students and their chants. At the time, I thought to myself "Dick Brodhead is probably thinking 'Godda*m, I never had to do this sh*t at Yale'"
 
I'm suspending my mocking of FSU (which is great fun) til after we play them.
I hear that!! My sister, wife (extremely rare appearance by an Illini alumnus who could care less about football...coincidence?:D), and assorted others will be at the game Oct 18th. Let's hope that the 23rd time playing the Noles will be the charm, although I sure hope the coaching staff and team are laser focused on the bunch down in Atlanta. 6-0 would sound awful nice to me.
 
As a Duke parent in the 1990s, I was happy with Nan. The faculty was up.in arms -- hugely -- over the piss-poor academic atmosphere on campus
Reynolds Price's Founder's Day address in 1994 was particularly scathing. As in, "A typical cafeteria conversation begins with, 'I got so wasted last night.'" He went on from there. Nan got rid of "Kegs," the Thursday late-night event on West Campus that kept the weekend free for those who wanted to party in New York or Europe. The academic atmosphere on campus has seemingly improved quite a lot in the past 30 years, although my MD daughter still rues the loss of Kegs.

YMMV
 
As a Duke parent in the 1990s, I was happy with Nan. The faculty was up.in arms -- hugely -- over the piss-poor academic atmosphere on campus
Reynolds Price's Founder's Day address in 1994 was particularly scathing. As in, "A typical cafeteria conversation begins with, 'I got so wasted last night.'" He went on from there. Nan got rid of "Kegs," the Thursday late-night event on West Campus that kept the weekend free for those who wanted to party in New York or Europe. The academic atmosphere on campus has seemingly improved quite a lot in the past 30 years, although my MD daughter still rues the loss of Kegs.

YMMV
You are close but off on several key facts. I was Class of 1997 so entered with Nan. Price's speech was in 1992 so it was before Nan (just googled to confirm) but agree that it did influence her. Most of us resented it and thought he was completely wrong and should let Duke be Duke. H Keith H teed things up for Nan. My memory is a bit hazy but I'm pretty sure that when I visited as a p-frosh in April, 1993, everyone knew that the Thursday night kegs I went to was the final one. Nan just executed it. She definitely did try to cut down on parties and make Duke more "intellectual" but the examples you cited are not the best.

The academic atmosphere was fine during my time at Duke. Lots of deep thinking took place. Work hard, play hard. Companies loved hiring Duke alums because they had much better EQ and people skills in general than the Ivy Leaguers while also having just as much intellectual horsepower. And I also had plenty of classmates who got PhDs and spent their lives thinking deep thoughts and making incredible scientific discoveries. My era at Duke gets a bad rap.

Anyway, back to football.
 
You are close but off on several key facts. I was Class of 1997 so entered with Nan. Price's speech was in 1992 so it was before Nan (just googled to confirm) but agree that it did influence her. Most of us resented it and thought he was completely wrong and should let Duke be Duke. H Keith H teed things up for Nan. My memory is a bit hazy but I'm pretty sure that when I visited as a p-frosh in April, 1993, everyone knew that the Thursday night kegs I went to was the final one. Nan just executed it. She definitely did try to cut down on parties and make Duke more "intellectual" but the examples you cited are not the best.

The academic atmosphere was fine during my time at Duke. Lots of deep thinking took place. Work hard, play hard. Companies loved hiring Duke alums because they had much better EQ and people skills in general than the Ivy Leaguers while also having just as much intellectual horsepower. And I also had plenty of classmates who got PhDs and spent their lives thinking deep thoughts and making incredible scientific discoveries. My era at Duke gets a bad rap.

Anyway, back to football.
Yes, you are right. I can't even find the copy of the speech. But here's the Google blurb:

In a fiery Founders' Day speech in 1992, Price took aim at what he deemed a lack of intellectualism at Duke, describing students as enthusiastic about partying but marred by a "prevailing cloud of indifference, of frequent hostility, to a thoughtful life," reported Duke Magazine.
 
Price was suffering with chronic pain and depression. Life was not easy for him. That may have had an impact on his view of Duke students’ life.

-jk
 
Yes, you are right. I can't even find the copy of the speech. But here's the Google blurb:
Here is a link I found. As one who was brilliantly taught by Duke's incredible Public Policy faculty to be concise and better to use a shorter word than a longer one if you can achieve the same meaning, I found this speech to be incredibly verbose, obnoxious, and out of touch - I struggled to get through it not because I am not smart enough, but because it was miserable to read. The beauty of the Duke student of that era is that yes, they could drink with the best of them and perhaps spent a bit too much time doing so, but then they would rally and crank out a brilliant paper, lab report, or whatever else and also engage in meaningful conversations about literature, history, science, basketball, or beer.

 
Price was suffering with chronic pain and depression. Life was not easy for him. That may have had an impact on his view of Duke students’ life.

-jk
I was told at a reunion luncheon with several senior faculty and department chairs that , as I said above, "The faculty was up in arms over the lack of intellectual life on campus." This was a couple of years before Reynolds' speech. And -jk, I haven't heard anyone else say that his talk was misguided.

I now see CNC's broadside against our campus legend. Thanks for producing a copy, which I read. Oh my, the criticism of his writing style -- do we disagree! I do agree it is over-the-top in the widespread condemnation of things at Duke -- losing the best students to UNC, etc. But this is the part remembered:

'If for instance you can eat a whole meal in a moderately occupied Duke dining hall without transcribing a certain sentence at least once, I'll treat you to the legal pain reliever of your choice. The sentence runs more or less like this, in male or female voice -- "I can't believe how drunk I was last night."'
 
I was told at a reunion luncheon with several senior faculty and department chairs that , as I said above, "The faculty was up in arms over the lack of intellectual life on campus." This was a couple of years before Reynolds' speech. And -jk, I haven't heard anyone else say that his talk was misguided.

I now see CNC's broadside against our campus legend. Thanks for producing a copy, which I read. Oh my, the criticism of his writing style -- do we disagree! I do agree it is over-the-top in the widespread condemnation of things at Duke -- losing the best students to UNC, etc. But this is the part remembered:

'If for instance you can eat a whole meal in a moderately occupied Duke dining hall without transcribing a certain sentence at least once, I'll treat you to the legal pain reliever of your choice. The sentence runs more or less like this, in male or female voice -- "I can't believe how drunk I was last night."'
Off topic for the sports thread, but the reality is that Price and Nan were just wrong on how the vast majority of average 18-22 year olds wants to experience college (both then and now). They were academics and administrators seeking an idealized quiet college bubble where they would simultaneously benefit from lower overall liability. They wanted a UChicago in Durham
 
I hear that!! My sister, wife (extremely rare appearance by an Illini alumnus who could care less about football...coincidence?:D), and assorted others will be at the game Oct 18th. Let's hope that the 23rd time playing the Noles will be the charm, although I sure hope the coaching staff and team are laser focused on the bunch down in Atlanta. 6-0 would sound awful nice to me.
Hopeful we'll be seeing you and your care less company before the game!
 
Off topic for the sports thread, but the reality is that Price and Nan were just wrong on how the vast majority of average 18-22 year olds wants to experience college (both then and now). They were academics and administrators seeking an idealized quiet college bubble where they would simultaneously benefit from lower overall liability. They wanted a UChicago in Durham
I first met Nan on the night Duke beat Ga Tech, on its way to seven straight wins. She was pretty excited. Reynolds played soccer at Duke. Price was fairly social during my time at Duke, coming to a number of small parties. Anyway, I've said my bit on Nan Keohane. I won't comment much on Doug Knight, whom I knew fairly well from my time at Duke, but he and the Trustees led a partial de-emphasis of football from which we have never truly recovered. Gee, to match the top Ivies you have to play bad football?

I was at the Duke Centennial, where Judy Woodruff interviewed Nan, Vince Price, and Dick Brodhead. Interesting stuff, although nothing truly controversial -- certainly available on YouTube. I would have asked Brodhead about LAX, Vince about October 7 (where Duke had minimal upheaval -- how?), and Nan about the topics above.
 
I first met Nan on the night Duke beat Ga Tech, on its way to seven straight wins. She was pretty excited. Reynolds played soccer at Duke. Price was fairly social during my time at Duke, coming to a number of small parties. Anyway, I've said my bit on Nan Keohane. I won't comment much on Doug Knight, whom I knew fairly well from my time at Duke, but he and the Trustees led a partial de-emphasis of football from which we have never truly recovered. Gee, to match the top Ivies you have to play bad football?

I was at the Duke Centennial, where Judy Woodruff interviewed Nan, Vince Price, and Dick Brodhead. Interesting stuff, although nothing truly controversial -- certainly available on YouTube. I would have asked Brodhead about LAX, Vince about October 7 (where Duke had minimal upheaval -- how?), and Nan about the topics above.
I do think that it is important to have a robust intellectual life on any college campus, including Duke. But IMO anyone who thinks that such an atmosphere is incompatible with fun probably thinks that the "upheaval" you reference is an example of intellectual life. I dissent.
 
I graduated in 1994. When I arrived at Duke in August 1990, kegs were still completely unregulated. Spring semester my freshman year was when the policy of "Thursday night kegs on West, Friday night kegs on East, Saturday night kegs everywhere" was implemented. Reynolds Price was my teacher for Milton. I remember that speech, but I never felt like he cast aspersions on any particular student or group of students at the time. Anyway, I'm sure every Duke graduating class since 1985 (or whenever the drinking age in North Carolina moved from 18 to 21) has felt like the academic focus and standards were much greater for the classes coming in behind them. As a senior in spring of 1994 taking Intro to Cultural Anthropology with a bunch of freshmen, it definitely felt that way to me. I'm certain, that the intra-quartile range for SAT scores was significantly higher for the Class of '97 than it was for my class (incidentally, my son was rejected last year with 3.95 at an extremely large and rigorous public high school and 1490). We used to refer to ourselves as "old Duke" and them as "f-cking new Duke."
 
I graduated in 1994. When I arrived at Duke in August 1990, kegs were still completely unregulated. Spring semester my freshman year was when the policy of "Thursday night kegs on West, Friday night kegs on East, Saturday night kegs everywhere" was implemented. Reynolds Price was my teacher for Milton. I remember that speech, but I never felt like he cast aspersions on any particular student or group of students at the time. Anyway, I'm sure every Duke graduating class since 1985 (or whenever the drinking age in North Carolina moved from 18 to 21) has felt like the academic focus and standards were much greater for the classes coming in behind them. As a senior in spring of 1994 taking Intro to Cultural Anthropology with a bunch of freshmen, it definitely felt that way to me. I'm certain, that the intra-quartile range for SAT scores was significantly higher for the Class of '97 than it was for my class (incidentally, my son was rejected last year with 3.95 at an extremely large and rigorous public high school and 1490). We used to refer to ourselves as "old Duke" and them as "f-cking new Duke."
If it makes you feel better, the benefit of alumni status on admissions is probably gone in the next decade. California just banned it and donor preference for all schools in the state (inclining private institutions) this week. So it will all be new Duke soon
 
If it makes you feel better, the benefit of alumni status on admissions is probably gone in the next decade. California just banned it and donor preference for all schools in the state (inclining private institutions) this week. So it will all be new Duke soon
I'm not a lawyer anymore and this was never my area of practice but does a state have the right to tell a private educational institution how they should run their admission process? I foresee a lawsuit over this new policy (if that is what it does?).
 
If it makes you feel better, the benefit of alumni status on admissions is probably gone in the next decade. California just banned it and donor preference for all schools in the state (inclining private institutions) this week. So it will all be new Duke soon
You don't seriously think NC will fall for that garbage, do you?

Legacy preference at one school negatively affects applicants whose parents went to other colleges. income. Other top schools are trying hard to recruit under-represented minorities and applicants from families with low incomes.
 
I'm not a lawyer anymore and this was never my area of practice but does a state have the right to tell a private educational institution how they should run their admission process? I foresee a lawsuit over this new policy (if that is what it does?).
No idea how the state will enforce and punishments for lack of compliance, but the law passed was targeted at everyone, including Stanford and USC. Reportedly the second state to pass this law behind Maryland. Article below

 
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