SkyBrickey
Member
Yeah, they'd get to take a W against us on the football field and test their team against the best in basketball in a national primetime matchup. That's got to be worth a full B10 share.
Conference Realignment
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JasonEvans
Host, The Duke Basketball Roundup
I would be perfectly fine with this. I mean, I would prefer not to lose ND but if the change that happens in the ACC is that we lose partial member Notre Dame and not-yet-played-a-single-game-in-the-league Stanford... I can live with that.
Notre Dame makes about $50 mil a year from NBC for the TV contract that runs through 2029. I sorta doubt they would bolt for the Big Ten while that is still in place.
HereBeforeCoachK
On Holiday
I tend to agree with you...the only caveat being that the ACC would take another PR hit if it happened. But the hit to FSU and Clemson individually would be even greater.
msdukie
Member
This guy is actually one of several well known Big 12 internet trolls who is rarely right about anything.
sagegrouse
Member
FWIW, Duke is likely middle-of-the-pack in Big Ten in football.
AustinDevil
Member
I would guess it’s Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark. (And yes, it’s beyond silly for anyone to think he’s so famous that we’re all supposed to know that. That usage alone tells you that this is a person who mostly exists deep inside a Big 12 circle j*rk.)
The reality that Duke and UNC’s basketball brands have done nothing to keep the football schools from desperately trying to escape the ACC for more football $ should not be underestimated. I see a lot a hot takes about realignment online that don’t make any sense and never happens. This is another one. Even if true, it would mean Duke football playing a Big 10 Schedule on a fraction of the revenue of the other conference members, including even Northwestern.
Given that UW just played for the football national championship and is only getting a one half share, I think halfsies is as good as we could get.Yeah, they'd get to take a W against us on the football field and test their team against the best in basketball in a national primetime matchup. That's got to be worth a full B10 share.
(I do realize you’re joking, but just wanted to point it out)
JasonEvans
Host, The Duke Basketball Roundup
I just read that Notre Dame, with their solo football deal with NBC and the non-football portion of ACC revenues (it came to about $17 mil last season) still makes less than a Big Ten team does. Wow...
CameronBornAndBred
Well-known member
I'm sure it's been asked and answered, but how bound is ND to the GOR?
don't believe they are a signee to that but they would have to pay a "sizeable" exit fee, on the order of, by some estimates, $100 million or so...
JasonEvans
Host, The Duke Basketball Roundup
Yeah, I have seen the number as $120 mil. When you consider that football is not a part of ND's deal with the ACC, this exit fee is functionally the same as if they were full signees to the basketball and other sports Grant of Rights. As a point of reference, I did some math a while back and figured that the FSU and Clemson GOR was worth about $400-500 mil to the ACC.
Everything since PSU that the Big 10 has done for expansion has been to get ND into the conference. There's a lot of rumors about anti-Catholic statements, etc., but the most logical view is that ND football playing that many Midwestern schools in a year really will kill their "perennial" natty program recruiting. As long as everybody will give ND football their cake and let them eat it (i.e. OSU/MI football, annual Thanksgiving trip to P12 country since South Bend is miserable after Halloween, the ACC, etc.), they aren't going anywhere until they get shut out of the playoff multiple years in favor of a SEC team.
JasonEvans
Host, The Duke Basketball Roundup
With the playoff going to 12 total teams this year, no team that gets left out can complain. There are functionally no more than maybe 30 or so teams each year who can even dream of winning a natty. If you cannot make the top 12 out of those then you don't deserve to complain.
LeadingEdge
Member
I thought Notre Dame was contractually obligated to join the ACC if it joins any conference as a full member through and including 2036. I don’t know if there is a specific liquidated damages provision attached to that obligation or, instead, whether it would just be a breach of contract.
The football money has become so great that I think there are some SEC schools (Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida) that seem to be making a serious effort in men’s basketball and of course, they are arguably the best conference in women’s basketball
If Notre Dame could slip into complete irrelevance, that would be a great outcome there is no school. I hate more for football. I did love Mike Brey and the way he coached basketball and the old women’s basketball coach Muffet McGraw, but I’ve hated Notre Dame back to the days when Ara Parseghian was whining about Miami running up the score on Gerry Faust.
JasonEvans
Host, The Duke Basketball Roundup
SEC schools are currently outspending everyone else in NIL. There are only a couple non-SEC schools who even come close to the top of the SEC (Kansas, UConn, Indiana, and maybe a few others). Arkansas and Alabama may have spent more than the entire ACC combined this off-season. I ain’t even exaggerating.
HereBeforeCoachK
On Holiday
Of course they are. The NIL has made legal what we used to joke about regarding the SEC....."players have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL" was the joke. And yeah, they're gonna use that massive revenue example to outspend in basketball too. The tidal wave is coming, and the ACC is being swarmed over and there is no defense for them. Every cute little rev enhancing idea the B12 or ACC comes up with.....the Big Ten and SEC can apply that to their demographic advantage and the divide only grows wider.
I agree with all that you have laid out. A logical conclusion is that schools like UConn and Duke have limited NIL dollars and they simply cannot keep up with spending to be remotely competitive in football. But, with the advantage of branding, they might they be able to compete in basketball if the don’t spread their NIL money too thin. At some point they’ll have to choose whether to move out of desperation to max football earnings or to protect the basketball program. Duke’s football revenue will continue to decline as the other conferences drastically increase. If you have a good coach or player one year, they’ll be gone the next. If they’re smart, they’re planning on a post football money reality. It’s coming.