Yea, there may not be the same sort of pressure that a head football coach might experience at a football powerhouse (Alabama, Ohio St., Texas, Michigan, etc.) BUT even at Duke (and, I assume, also at Vandy, ND, Stanford and a few other academically-oriented universities) if you're the coach of almost any varsity team AND you have too many losing seasons, you have zero job security and will, in fact, most likely be "relieved" of your job (i.e., fired). See, e.g., David Cutcliffe. So, it may be a little less stressful and less pressure to coach at a school like Duke but I have to believe the coaches still feel the expectation to win. The job is not a sinecure.
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I reject that characterization. The thesis behind NIL, in my opinion, was that the schools were treating this as a money making endeavor, and as a professional sport. In that situation, it’s not right (and from an antitrust point of view, illegal) to not extend that same consideration to the players.
Of course, there are a great many undesirable side effects that result from NIL. That we are only seeing those side effects now, 40+ years after football was taken away from the NCAA by the schools so they could maximize their profits, is the biggest surprise to me.
HereBeforeCoachK
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Actually that's kind of the opposite of what that means. A coach who can coach anywhere - in the context I was using - is a coach who can have the pick of jobs anywhere. Kind of NOT AT ALL "willing" to coach anywhere.
Matches
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Very true. Elko was the first coach we’ve had since Spurrier who wasn’t fired (Cutcliffe essentially was).
on the flip side, our last three coaches have had major successes in the first year. obviously the data support firing the coach every year. we'd be in the playoffs for usre.
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In order for a coach to be the kind of coach who "can coach anywhere", one of two things has to happen: 1. Said coach needs to be somewhere for a very long time, winning games; or, 2. said coach needs to make jumps from place to place as a winning coach. The first one may well happen at Duke, but we can't tell that in our coach's first year in the program. All we can say with respect to Duke is that it apparently was Coach Cutcliffe's dream job, and it apparently wasn't Midnight Mike's dream job. The second one is exactly what I said, which is a coach who is willing to coach anywhere.
HereBeforeCoachK
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Well full disclosure, I do agree that your assessment is somewhat true, and I worded my take brutally on purpose to make a point....but your characterization and mine are not mutually exclusive by any means. The side effects we are seeing now were and are so predictable - and many are not good at all.
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The mod team would ask that no one do that please, several threads have already gone sideways today due to aggressive posting from several sources.
Folks agreeing to disagree is always a great option in our world.
Thanks to all.
TheDevilMadeMeDoIt
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Just read somewhere today about the abuse Ryan Day and his family, he has young children, are taking in Columbus Ohio. The writer opined that Day might just walk away. Kirk Herbstriet moved from Columbus several years ago to Nashville for the same reason and he is just an announcer. Quite sure David Cutcliffe never experienced that in Durham. Being able to win and not go through that kind of pressure may appeal to some guys. Hopefully Manny is one of those.
Ran into an old friend Saturday night who is an OSU fan but not a nut. He was sure Day was going to be fired because he was 1-4 against UM. His overall record: 66-10 (46-5). This is his 6th year as head coach and he has never finished outside the top-10 and probably won't this year.
Who would even want to win for those fans?
CameronBornAndBred
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I see what you did there...even though you may have not meant to.
Coaches who
They ALL do get p****d at me because I call their mascot Bucky.I see what you did there...even though you may have not meant to.
cspan37421
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Perhaps the goal (of fans, univ brass) is to win championships, not just post a high winning % record.
And to beat one's rival at least half the time.
ClemmonsDevil
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I have seen this word in print but I've never used it, nor have I ever pronounced it. And I definitely just had to look this up. This is absolutely bringing it.
Good luck. That is why many fans are miserable, only 1 team has happy fans at the end of the season. Dean Wormer would like to paraphrase his own advice.
Reminded me of that sentimental Dan Fogelberg song that starts out “Met my old lover in a grocery store. The snow was falling Christmas Eve.”
Listening to it right now while in the hot tub with my wife. Thanks for the inadvertent reminder, dudog.
BlueDevil2K
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My brother was calling for him to be fired at halftime, so this hits close to home. I kind of get it, too...
Ryan Day in games after Thanksgiving:
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1-7 is not a good look.
TheDevilMadeMeDoIt
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So under this reasoning we should have fired K after he lost his first four final fours or when he lost a lot to UNc a lot in the early years. I am a huge Duke fan. I hate when we lose. But if you can’t find some joy from all the wins, playing in the big games, etc, you need to seek help. And threatening a coach or his family or young children is actually criminal. Since great coaches have big egos, someone else would probably seek the job, but anyone with a good secure job would be crazy to.
David Cutcliffe equaled the win total of the four previous years combined in his first year, but only at 1990s-2000's Duke would we call 4-8 a major success.
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