A couple of uncomfortable items to consider: K2's Shooting, Diaz's Status

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Yeah, he’s as good as gone if a school offers him a big salary increase. Nobody would turn that down.

This is just the reality of being a Duke football fan. When our football coach does well, he gets poached.
We kept a couple of good ones at Northwestern. Don't think it was about the $ as much as the appeal of building something great at a school with an embarrassing football tradition.
 
Yeah, I think I heard Saban say that the other day. Or was it Kirby Smart?

Seriously, care to elaborate on that?
I will try to elaborate. These are jobs where one is working for a strong institution with good values that include academic excellence. They also have strong communities that support their universities. They are not all about sports. In fact, sports, while important, are a bit more in the background.

Yet, they compete in power conferences so play against the best. And there are opportunities for them to win and exceed expectations. Fan expectations are not as high so there is more job security.

Not the best if NCAA championship is your goal. But for a great quality of life, including possibly a winning team, job security, integration into the community, seems like a sweet job.
 
This is an interesting idea, but I really don't know. In some ways, being a coach at a non-Power 4 school where you do well, coach/teach outside of the spotlight, and stay for a lifetime sounds better. Or, for a different person, being in the cauldron of a school/team that could win it all seems better. Neither of those seems as liminal. Of course, I say this from the outside and all.
 
This is an interesting idea, but I really don't know. In some ways, being a coach at a non-Power 4 school where you do well, coach/teach outside of the spotlight, and stay for a lifetime sounds better. Or, for a different person, being in the cauldron of a school/team that could win it all seems better. Neither of those seems as liminal. Of course, I say this from the outside and all.
Yeah, I agree. Being a great Div. 3 coach could be a great job, or a great HS coach. Different strokes for different folks. I just want to push back against the idea that a power 5 job is always the best. I think HC at Duke is a great job.
 
I agree that it is an great job. It is also a P4 job. For some people it might be the great job, for others, not so much. I get both, even though I want great coaches to stay.
 
I think we agree that it is not necessarily better to be a coach at Auburn than at Vanderbilt, depends on a lot of things.
I think I agree with you, Darts, but I think a Vanderbilt job is better than an Auburn job, if we are talking football. 😆
 
I will try to elaborate. These are jobs where one is working for a strong institution with good values that include academic excellence. They also have strong communities that support their universities. They are not all about sports. In fact, sports, while important, are a bit more in the background.

Yet, they compete in power conferences so play against the best. And there are opportunities for them to win and exceed expectations. Fan expectations are not as high so there is more job security.

Not the best if NCAA championship is your goal. But for a great quality of life, including possibly a winning team, job security, integration into the community, seems like a sweet job.
I don't disagree with any of that, but that's not really what you said in the earlier post.....that is not what most people think about when you say the "sweetest" job in the sport. It's a niche job only - as a long term proposition. For most it's merely a career step. Remember, in the days of NIL, we are all supposed to focus only on the market value of people and the money they can make. That was the entire thesis behind NIL. Thus by those parameters, the market has spoken, and Duke, Vandy and NW are far from the sweetest jobs. Coaches who can have any job they want, do not coach at Duke, NW or Vandy (in FB).
 
Yeah, I agree. Being a great Div. 3 coach could be a great job, or a great HS coach. Different strokes for different folks. I just want to push back against the idea that a power 5 job is always the best. I think HC at Duke is a great job.
The market is pushing against you, and you are not winning...........and not just for coaches. Riley Leonard on line one. Jordan Waters on line two......and your phone is going to keep ringing, guaranteed.
 
I don't disagree with any of that, but that's not really what you said in the earlier post.....that is not what most people think about when you say the "sweetest" job in the sport. It's a niche job only - as a long term proposition. For most it's merely a career step. Remember, in the days of NIL, we are all supposed to focus only on the market value of people and the money they can make. That was the entire thesis behind NIL. Thus by those parameters, the market has spoken, and Duke, Vandy and NW are far from the sweetest jobs. Coaches who can have any job they want, do not coach at Duke, NW or Vandy (in FB).
Or maybe they do. This is all new and evolving. Let's see. Duke managed a 9-3 season despite the limitations of NIL, academics (I think we still consider those), limited attendance, etc. There is a good chance you are right. But you might be wrong. You seem to have a tremendous amount of self-confidence in your opinions. Acknowledging the potential legitimacy of counter arguments is generally a much more pleasant way to go through life and be a valued member of this community. The world is not black and white - that is what makes it interesting. And there are a lot of really smart people around here.
 
Or maybe they do. This is all new and evolving. Let's see. Duke managed a 9-3 season despite the limitations of NIL, academics (I think we still consider those), limited attendance, etc. There is a good chance you are right. But you might be wrong. You seem to have a tremendous amount of self-confidence in your opinions. Acknowledging the potential legitimacy of counter arguments is generally a much more pleasant way to go through life and be a valued member of this community. The world is not black and white - that is what makes it interesting. And there are a lot of really smart people around here.
Until a coach who can coach anywhere chooses Vandy, NW or Duke....it's not even a debate. Reality wins. Nothing to do with opinion....mine or anyone's.

Conversely, for example, in basketball, it's not a debate either. We had a coach for 40 plus years who could have coached anywhere for at least 20 of those.....and he chose to coach at Duke....so the proof is in the hoops and football puddin so to speak - in opposite directions. Again, It's got zero to do with my or any other poster's confidence in opinions. It is....what....it....is.

Football is a viciously competitive sport and industry - it's kind of hard to be competitive enough on the one hand to win at a hard place to win.....while simultaneously being willing to personally prioritize things other than winning at the highest level. That's just a very narrow emotional / psychological / personality path to negotiate. There's nothing wrong with that, in fact, I agree it's admirable. I also think it's almost impossible to find....and even those who were leaning that way a few years ago, might not be there today - given the recent changes in the sport.

Dave Clawson on line one.
 
It helps Duke that Diaz has been fired twice -- including as an asst at Texas -- makes the secure, high-paying job you have look even better.
It also helps that with a 12-team playoff, the odds of making a mark increases for coaches of schools outside the traditional handful.

Can a Duke coach lead us to a top-two ranking? Probably not.

Can a Duke coach lead us to a conference championship game, with a trip to the playoffs on the line? I believe so.

Coaches are competitive folks, and as sage (and others) note it’s not all about the money for all coaches. But they all want a crack at the big prize. There is a path there from Durham and smaller schools now if the school and alums are willing to put in the resources.
 
I read here that Manny's son is a freshman at Duke. That may indicate Coach is planning on being here a little while.

If Duke goes to a bowl that pays more than $5million, I suspect some of that goes to the coaching staff for a nice bonus or raise.
 
Until a coach who can coach anywhere chooses Vandy, NW or Duke....it's not even a debate. Reality wins. Nothing to do with opinion....mine or anyone's.
I disagree, because the moniker of "coach who can coach anywhere" also implies a coach who is willing to coach anywhere. We don't have the resources to hold a guy like that in place, no matter how good they are. It's the same for our NIL program in basketball. We don't necessarily get guys who can play anywhere, because we don't even want guys who are willing to play just anywhere. We offer important intangibles that are part of the school's value.

People value things differently. If you're a coach who doesn't value the intangibles that come with Duke, then you don't belong at Duke. But if you're the right kind of coach, Duke may be the sweetest job you ever get.
 
Those are very fair responses, but all the the piling on surprised me for this forum, which I generally regard as remarkably civil and welcoming. Anyway, I personally don't really have a dog in this fight. Let's all hope Kon has an outstanding season contributing to many big-time victories. Go Duke!
 
People value things differently. If you're a coach who doesn't value the intangibles that come with Duke, then you don't belong at Duke. But if you're the right kind of coach, Duke may be the sweetest job you ever get.

And let's not forget that Cut reportedly turned down a return to one of his dream jobs -- Tennessee -- because they wouldn't agree on hiring his whole staff. Cut certainly lost a good paying gig at Ole Miss because he wouldn't fire one of his assistants.

Money counts. So does loyalty. So do a myriad of personal and professional interests. While I recognize that someone can always offer more money than we do, and larger crowds than we do, we have something unique that is a good fit for some. I trust that Nina King took that into consideration during the hiring and interview process.

Anyway, I'll say the same thing when folks speculated about Elko leaving -- I'll enjoy what I've got while I've got it. If others want to fret about things beyond their control, so be it. Carpe diem, y'all.
 
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