2025 Men's Basketball Recruiting

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I believe that every cadet needs to be on a sports team. Also technically the cadets don't have "sports scholarships" since they have a commitment to the Army after they graduate which "pays" for their education. So 24 players but none "technically" on scholarship.
 
MarkD83 said:
I believe that every cadet needs to be on a sports team. Also technically the cadets don't have "sports scholarships" since they have a commitment to the Army after they graduate which "pays" for their education. So 24 players but none "technically" on scholarship.
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Special NCAA rules for service academies
 
A while back, Caleb Wilson included Duke in his list of 12, but today he announced that he's down to 5 finalists: Kentucky, Ohio State, Tennessee, UCF, and UNC. I know Kentucky is all in on him, and UNC wants to be, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to eliminate the other 3 choices. He's looking to commit by December or January.

The Early Signing Period started November 13, and in addition to the previously committed players who signed, the following prospects made their commitments in the past few days:

15. Bryson Tiller (6-9 PF): committed to Kansas 11/16/2024
21. Kingston Flemings (6-3 PG): committed to Houston 11/14/2024
28. Davion Hannah (6-5 CG): committed to Alabama 11/15/2024
32. Kiyan Anthony (6-5 SG): committed to Syracuse 11/15/2024
34. Sebastian Williams-Adams (6-8 PF): committed to Auburn 11/17/2024
60. Tee Bartlett (6-10 C): committed to Mississippi State 11/15/2024
61. Isaiah Sealy (6-7 CG): committed to Arkansas 11/16/2024
86. BJ Davis-Ray (6-5 SG): committed to SMU 11/14/2024

We are down to 18 uncommitted players in the RSCI top 100. The Early Signing Period ends Wednesday, and I don't expect to see any more decisions made by then.

01. AJ Dybantsa (6-8 SF): 6 Finalists are Alabama, Auburn, Baylor, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State and UNC

04. Caleb Wilson (6-9 PF): 5 Finalists are Kentucky, Ohio State, Tennessee, UCF, and UNC

05. Koa Peat (6-8 PF): 5 Finalists are Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, Houston, and Texas

08. Nate Ament (6-9 SF): Duke offer

11. Mikel Brown Jr (6-3 PG):

13. Chris Cenac (6-10 PF): 7 Finalists are Arkansas, Auburn, Baylor, Houston, Kentucky, LSU, and Tennessee

14. Brayden Burries (6-4 CG): Duke offer

23. Nikola Bundalo (6-9 PF): 4 Finalists are Connecticut, Michigan State, Ohio State, and UNC (rumored to have reopened recruitment)

28. Jerry Easter (6-4 CG):

37. Shon Abaev (6-7 SF): 5 Finalists are Arizona State, Arkansas, Auburn, Cincinnati, and Oregon

52. Tyler Jackson (6-2 PG):

64. Chance Mallory (5-9 PG): decommitted from Virginia 10/29/2024

68. Efeosa Oliogu (6-5 SF): 7 Finalists are Alabama, Arizona State, Gonzaga, Maryland, Memphis, Oklahoma State, and TCU

69. Terrion Burgess (6-8 PF):

78. Maper Maker (7-0 C):

81. Aleks Alston (6-9 SF):

88. Jaion Pitt (6-7 PF):

97. Badara Diakite (6-10 C):
 
With so many folks talking about the end of the Covid 5th year, it is worth noting that the NCAA is strongly considering several plans that would make the 5th year a more permanent thing.

One proposal currently on the table would make redshirting more common. Currently, in basketball, you cannot get a redshirt if you play in more than about 6 or 7 games (it depends on how many games your team plays). If you do play in even one game, you would also need to actually be injured to get a redshirt year in basketball. However, the rules in football are very different. You can play in up to 4 football games and retain the ability to redshirt and gain an extra year of eligibility. There is a proposal on the table that would allow basketball players to play in up to 9 games and still redshirt, regardless of injury status. That rule would have given an extra year to Joey Baker. Had such a rule existed, I would imagine Duke would have preserved an extra year of eligibility for Jalen Blakes, Jayden Schutt, and Christian Reeves. I could see them maybe doing the same thing for Darren Harris this year. There could be players all over the country who would take advantage of this early in their basketball careers.

Additionally, I have heard talk that the powers that be in the NCAA like the 5th year as a reward to get kids to graduate. I could see a rule enacted that granted an extra year of grad school to anyone who finishes their degree in 4 years. Now that we are in the NIL era and most non-NBA prospects see their peak earning power coming in their junior and senior seasons, giving them an incentive to graduate and get another year of earning is a pretty decent idea. If something like this happened, the 5th year would become a very common part of college basketball.
 
arnie said:
And of course if NCAA allows the 5th year of eligibility, schools like UNCheat will start clamoring for 6th year eligibility loopholes. Will at least give their “student” athletes time to take a few courses beyond college prep level.
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I’m not sure what led you to that conclusion. Please explain?
 
JasonEvans said:
With so many folks talking about the end of the Covid 5th year, it is worth noting that the NCAA is strongly considering several plans that would make the 5th year a more permanent thing.

One proposal currently on the table would make redshirting more common. Currently, in basketball, you cannot get a redshirt if you play in more than about 6 or 7 games (it depends on how many games your team plays). If you do play in even one game, you would also need to actually be injured to get a redshirt year in basketball. However, the rules in football are very different. You can play in up to 4 football games and retain the ability to redshirt and gain an extra year of eligibility. There is a proposal on the table that would allow basketball players to play in up to 9 games and still redshirt, regardless of injury status. That rule would have given an extra year to Joey Baker. Had such a rule existed, I would imagine Duke would have preserved an extra year of eligibility for Jalen Blakes, Jayden Schutt, and Christian Reeves. I could see them maybe doing the same thing for Darren Harris this year. There could be players all over the country who would take advantage of this early in their basketball careers.

Additionally, I have heard talk that the powers that be in the NCAA like the 5th year as a reward to get kids to graduate. I could see a rule enacted that granted an extra year of grad school to anyone who finishes their degree in 4 years. Now that we are in the NIL era and most non-NBA prospects see their peak earning power coming in their junior and senior seasons, giving them an incentive to graduate and get another year of earning is a pretty decent idea. If something like this happened, the 5th year would become a very common part of college basketball.
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I’m not against students graduating, but purely from a competitive standpoint, I think this change would hurt Duke. We’re going to have a lot of teams with a bunch of 24 year olds playing against our 17 and 18 year olds, and that typically doesn’t work in the favor of the 18 year olds, no matter how talented they may be.

It’s already hurt us the past few years. The UNC team that swept us last year had a bunch of old geezers. That NC State team we lost to in the elite 8 had several 5th year guys.

The Kentucky squad we just lost to probably had guys who were in college when Cooper Flagg was still in the womb.
 
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kAzE said:
I’m not against students graduating, but purely from a competitive standpoint, I think this change would hurt Duke. We’re going to have a lot of teams with a bunch of 24 year olds playing against our 17 and 18 year olds, and that typically doesn’t work in the favor of the 18 year olds, no matter how talented they may be.

It’s already hurt us the past few years. That NC State team we lost to in the elite 8 had several 5th year guys.
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Agree this would hurt Duke on the floor. Guys that we recruit out of high school who would be interested in sticking around Durham for five years are typically not difference makers as players in our program. Transfers, of course, are a different story.
 
tommy said:
Agree this would hurt Duke on the floor. Guys that we recruit out of high school who would be interested in sticking around Durham for five years are typically not difference makers as players in our program. Transfers, of course, are a different story.
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Davis-Bacot types who stay five years at the same place seem to be the minority among fifth-year players, though. Few fifth-years seem to be at the same place they started.
 
kAzE said:
I’m not against students graduating, but purely from a competitive standpoint, I think this change would hurt Duke. We’re going to have a lot of teams with a bunch of 24 year olds playing against our 17 and 18 year olds, and that typically doesn’t work in the favor of the 18 year olds, no matter how talented they may be.

It’s already hurt us the past few years. The UNC team that swept us last year had a bunch of old geezers. That NC State team we lost to in the elite 8 had several 5th year guys.

The Kentucky squad we just lost to probably had guys who were in college when Cooper Flagg was still in the womb.
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Jon would have to adapt yet again. My WAG would be that Jon would only go after the top 10/15 prospects and look to add more Maliq-type players via the portal. Maybe have some outside the top 75/100 guys to be Jaylen Blakes like culture guys who would value the Duke degree and finish up their careers somewhere where they can get more minutes.
 
JasonEvans said:
With so many folks talking about the end of the Covid 5th year, it is worth noting that the NCAA is strongly considering several plans that would make the 5th year a more permanent thing.

One proposal currently on the table would make redshirting more common. Currently, in basketball, you cannot get a redshirt if you play in more than about 6 or 7 games (it depends on how many games your team plays). If you do play in even one game, you would also need to actually be injured to get a redshirt year in basketball. However, the rules in football are very different. You can play in up to 4 football games and retain the ability to redshirt and gain an extra year of eligibility. There is a proposal on the table that would allow basketball players to play in up to 9 games and still redshirt, regardless of injury status. That rule would have given an extra year to Joey Baker. Had such a rule existed, I would imagine Duke would have preserved an extra year of eligibility for Jalen Blakes, Jayden Schutt, and Christian Reeves. I could see them maybe doing the same thing for Darren Harris this year. There could be players all over the country who would take advantage of this early in their basketball careers.

Additionally, I have heard talk that the powers that be in the NCAA like the 5th year as a reward to get kids to graduate. I could see a rule enacted that granted an extra year of grad school to anyone who finishes their degree in 4 years. Now that we are in the NIL era and most non-NBA prospects see their peak earning power coming in their junior and senior seasons, giving them an incentive to graduate and get another year of earning is a pretty decent idea. If something like this happened, the 5th year would become a very common part of college basketball.
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I'm actually all for a policy that only gives a fifth year to players who graduate in four. I think that relatively simple rule (which is itself a massive improvement over past NCAA symptoms that were so inherently subjective) would kill a few birds with one stone:
  1. Provide a more concrete encouragement for graduation, and graduation on time, then some of the current eligibility metrics like the APR.
  2. Provide a more concrete encouragement for academic performance... you might be doing the bare minimum to maintain your eligibility, but if that doesn't have you on a track to graduate on time you lose out on the fifth year.
  3. Provide an inherent limitation on transfers... one of the current issues with multiple transfers (that many coaches have rightly called out) is that it's near impossible to graduate on time if you attend four schools in four years, for example. If you want your fifth year, you're more than likely going to have to settle in for the long haul at either your first or second institution.
Yes, this is a deviation from the traditional four year model of college athletics. But, counterintuitively, I think it could rescue some of the things that we miss about the "old days", particularly as it pertains to the definition of "student athlete." I'm sure the NCAA will find a way to muck this up, but at first glance I'm all for it.
 
I'd be in favor of adding a 5th year of eligibility just because it might help more students graduate. If the NCAA wants to stand for anything, it should stand for improving academic outcomes for its students. A future employer won't care to ask if you took 4 or 5 years to finish, so why should the NCAA?
 
This sounds great in concept. However,I can't imagine the NCAA getting itself involved in academic monitoring. Clearly the NCAA has run from any such monitoring for the past 10 years.

Even if it did, on the first legal challenge to its monitoring system by, say, a prominent university with unlimited resources and some political clout, the NCAA would fold its hand and the regulations would be ripped up and burned.
 
Maged said:
This sounds great in concept. However,I can't imagine the NCAA getting itself involved in academic monitoring. Clearly the NCAA has run from any such monitoring for the past 10 years.

Even if it did, on the first legal challenge to its monitoring system by, say, a prominent university with unlimited resources and some political clout, the NCAA would fold its hand and the regulations would be ripped up and burned.
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Yes, the NCAA ran from the Uncheat academic scandal.
 
phaedrus said:
Davis-Bacot types who stay five years at the same place seem to be the minority among fifth-year players, though. Few fifth-years seem to be at the same place they started.
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I was compiling a list of 5th year players for the Arizona thread, but it was tangential there and makes more sense in this discussion.

Basketball Reference tracks the college careers of every player ranked in the RSCI Top 100 for the 2020 recruiting class. Here are the 48 who are still in school, each listed with his current school. The 2 of them who never transferred are in bold.

13. Caleb Love, Arizona
20. Jeremy Roach, Baylor
21. Bryce Thompson, Oklahoma State
27. Nimari Burnett, Michigan
28. Devin Askew, Long Beach State
29. Adam Miller, Arizona State
30. Earl Timberlake, Bryant
33. Jaemyn Brakefield, Ole Miss
34. Mady Sissoko, California
35. Dawson Garcia, Minnesota
36. Jabri Abdur-Rahim, Providence
37. Hunter Dickinson, Kansas
37. Micah Peavy, Georgetown
41. Matthew Murrell, Ole Miss
43. RJ Davis, UNC
45. Andre Curbelo, Southern Miss
46. Cliff Omoruyi, Alabama
49. Henry Coleman, Texas A&M
52. Cam'Ron Fletcher, Xavier
54. Dwon Odom, Tulsa
56. Deivon Smith, St. John's
59. Puff Johnson, Penn State
60. Ian Martinez. Utah State
61. Xavier Foster, Radford
64. Hassan Diarra, Connecticut
64. Dominick Harris, UCLA
66. Corey Walker Jr, South Florida*
67. Cam Hayes, East Carolina
68. Mwani Wilkinson, Little Rock
70. Dain Dainja, Memphis
70. AJ Hoggard, Vanderbilt
72. Isaiah Cottrell, UNLV
73. Jalen Terry, Eastern Michigan
74. Joe Bamisile, VCU
76. Rondel Walker, North Texas
81. Khristian Lander, Western Kentucky
82. Jaxson Robinson, Kentucky
83. LJ Cryer, Houston
85. Ethan Morton, Colorado State
86. KD Johnson, George Mason
89. Kadary Richmond, St. John's
90. Matt Cross, SMU
92. Chibuzo Agbo, USC
94. Matthew Alexander-Moncrieffe, Seattle
95. Terrance Williams, USC
96. Kerr Kriisa, Kentucky
98. Myles Tate, Appalachian State
100. John Hugley, Xavier

* Corey Walker Jr has only played for USF, but was an injured freshman at Tennessee (2020-2021) who transferred.
 
Maybe this is the wrong place for this but it seems relevant to the conversation about 5th year eligibility, encouraging graduation, etc. (though less relevant about 2025 recruiting): Graduation in four years is unusual in US higher education. Six-year graduation rates for FT students who started at 4-year colleges are less than 66%. As a Duke grad and fan, I love the 'traditional' model of college sports, though have real concerns about how amateurism reinforced privilege. Also, most students in US higher education would be considered non-traditional (older, parents, working full-time, etc). If the modal student in US higher ed is not an 18-22 year-old at at a four-year school, I wonder about restrictions on eligibility and such.
 
Given that the top players seem to move around quite a bit I think it would be interesting to see the "glue" players that are holding teams together and providing continuity.
 
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