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What will be the outcome of the 2024 Presidential Election


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Our economy is really strong, the best among the advanced countries. How come the voters, when interviewed, say our economy is bad? The Dem campaign didn't do a very good job, it seems.
Our economy is strong in a macro sense and definitely has fared better post-covid compared to peer countries, but there's a clear disconnect between macro conditions and the lived experience of the electorate. To wit:


This has been the tale of the tape around the world last year or two, incumbent parties getting rocked everywhere, either in actual elections or in polling for upcoming elections. This has been true across national and ideological lines: centrists like Trudeau and Macron's parties, right wingers like the UK Tories or Japan's LDP, lefties like the socialists in Portugal, Spain, and Germany, none of them doing so hot electorally. The US is in better shape than the rest, relatively, but it's apparently not enough to stave off the same result.
 
Our economy isn't "strong" for everyone. There are a lot of people whose cost of living dramatically increased in the last four years and whose wages didn't keep pace. And the Democrats have largely ignored, or at least have been perceived as ignoring, that problem.
Trump, the man of the working class, will now step in and fight for their economic prosperity just like he did in his first term. He is truly a man of the people. He goes to bed at night and wakes up in the morning thinking about his he can make Americans lives better. I don't know why these elitist Democrats can't see this.
 
Our economy is strong in a macro sense and definitely has fared better post-covid compared to peer countries, but there's a clear disconnect between macro conditions and the lived experience of the electorate. To wit:


This has been the tale of the tape around the world last year or two, incumbent parties getting rocked everywhere, either in actual elections or in polling for upcoming elections. This has been true across national and ideological lines: centrists like Trudeau and Macron's parties, right wingers like the UK Tories or Japan's LDP, lefties like the socialists in Portugal, Spain, and Germany, none of them doing so hot electorally. The US is in better shape than the rest, relatively, but it's apparently not enough to stave off the same result.
Yeah, this is the story of the election. I think she could have crafted a stronger economic plan and message to counter this, but I'm not sure it would've made a difference. She leaned hard into reproductive rights and that didn't carry the day.
 
Anthony Scaramucci on his late night The Rest is Politics livestream:

"You guys are gonna hate me for saying this. But you've got a bunch of white people running the country. They see the black and brown people overwhelming them. So now they're going to change the rules."

This is a rich, white, elitist Manhattan hedge fund guy who supported and worked for Trump spilling the tea...
Saying what used to be the quiet part out loud.
 
Anthony Scaramucci on his late night The Rest is Politics livestream:

"You guys are gonna hate me for saying this. But you've got a bunch of white people running the country. They see the black and brown people overwhelming them. So now they're going to change the rules."

This is a rich, white, elitist Manhattan hedge fund guy who….

…. sounds like a frequent DBR poster on this thread?
 
Our economy is really strong, the best among the advanced countries. How come the voters, when interviewed, say our economy is bad? The Dem campaign didn't do a very good job, it seems.

Sure, your economy is really strong, but the vast majority of Americans don’t have Duke degrees and connections! Wake up, your economy is very different than most Americans (the majority!).
 
Anthony Scaramucci on his late night The Rest is Politics livestream:

"You guys are gonna hate me for saying this. But you've got a bunch of white people running the country. They see the black and brown people overwhelming them. So now they're going to change the rules."

This is a rich, white, elitist Manhattan hedge fund guy who supported and worked for Trump spilling the tea...
I'm considering writing a long post to talk to folks who find this sort of messaging appealing. I did something along those lines 8 years ago and it was well received here. I have not participated in 2024 election posts here until yesterday and have a strong predisposition to reject anything political on DBR. What I did add here yesterday was essentially neutral content, something that I thought would just be a fun, non-policy contribution. It bothers me terribly that so many intelligent and sociable people can display so many signifiers of blinding partisanship. This quotation is not useful. You are not doing yourself any favors. I might not align with you, but I also don't align with whom you generally consider your opponents, and you both make the same errors, by my judgement. If you are unhappy, it might do you well to try to understand what other people think, rather than interpret their behavior through a perspective that is deficient in predictive capacity.
 
Sure, your economy is really strong, but the vast majority of Americans don’t have Duke degrees and connections! Wake up, your economy is very different than most Americans (the majority!).
We went through a period of high inflation just like the rest of the world. We are now past that. ALL other economic measures are very strong. But Trump has won the argument that America sucks.
 
I'm considering writing a long post to talk to folks who find this sort of messaging appealing. I did something along those lines 8 years ago and it was well received here. I have not participated in 2024 election posts here until yesterday and have a strong predisposition to reject anything political on DBR. What I did add here yesterday was essentially neutral content, something that I thought would just be a fun, non-policy contribution. It bothers me terribly that so many intelligent and sociable people can display so many signifiers of blinding partisanship. This quotation is not useful. You are not doing yourself any favors. I might not align with you, but I also don't align with whom you generally consider your opponents, and you both make the same errors, by my judgement. If you are unhappy, it might do you well to try to understand what other people think, rather than interpret their behavior through a perspective that is deficient in predictive capacity.
That's a lot of words to say nothing. I'm just quoting a former Trump insider much like I've quoted John Kelly, Mark Milley, John Bolton, Mark Esper, Mike Pence, ... If you have something to say, why don't you man-up and say it.
 
That's a lot of words to say nothing. I'm just quoting a former Trump insider much like I've quoted John Kelly, Mark Milley, John Bolton, Mark Esper, Mike Pence, ... If you have something to say, why don't you man-up and say it.
It is the number of words necessary to say exactly what I meant, baring a lot more time.

"Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte."
 
Yeah, this is the story of the election. I think she could have crafted a stronger economic plan and message to counter this, but I'm not sure it would've made a difference. She leaned hard into reproductive rights and that didn't carry the day.
Reproductive rights doing extremely well across the board, with pro-abortion ballot initiatives outpacing Harris by far in literally every state where they were on the ballot. Abortion won in MISSOURI. That emphasis wasn't the problem.

Ultimately this was still a referendum on Biden, who is deep in the red. She could have at least tried to distance herself from him, but repeatedly and expressly refused to do so. Like on The View when asked what she would do different than Biden and she said, quote unquote, "Not a thing that comes to mind." That guy is really unpopular! Think of something!
 
It is the number of words necessary to say exactly what I meant, baring a lot more time.

"Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte."
If you want to come on here and try to play diplomat or psychologist after the country re-elects America's Hitler, do it with someone else, not me. I'm not playing your reindeer games.

In case you missed it, those are JD Vance's words - not mine.
 
Reproductive rights doing extremely well across the board, with pro-abortion ballot initiatives outpacing Harris by far in literally every state where they were on the ballot. Abortion won in MISSOURI. That emphasis wasn't the problem.

Ultimately this was still a referendum on Biden, who is deep in the red. She could have at least tried to distance herself from him, but repeatedly and expressly refused to do so. Like on The View when asked what she would do different than Biden and she said, quote unquote, "Not a thing that comes to mind." That guy is really unpopular! Think of something!
It was great that people of those states could vote for what they want in their state on the topic of abortion, and vote for POTUS the same day.
 

We went through a period of high inflation just like the rest of the world. We are now past that. ALL other economic measures are very strong. But Trump has won the argument that America sucks.
Trump being Trump should be disqualifying and it is quite clear that it is not. A majority of Americans just don’t think his behavior and his rejection of norms is a big deal. A lot of them like it.

He has demonstrated that fear of the “other” and hatred are more powerful and more motivating emotions than any other, or than are facts.

Our country is in deep, deep trouble and I fear for us — especially the least among us — both immediately and in the future. Our children’s’ future.
 
Reproductive rights doing extremely well across the board, with pro-abortion ballot initiatives outpacing Harris by far in literally every state where they were on the ballot. Abortion won in MISSOURI. That emphasis wasn't the problem.

Ultimately this was still a referendum on Biden, who is deep in the red. She could have at least tried to distance herself from him, but repeatedly and expressly refused to do so. Like on The View when asked what she would do different than Biden and she said, quote unquote, "Not a thing that comes to mind." That guy is really unpopular! Think of something!
I agree. I would have come out strong with a "New Economic Plan for America" knowing that was the Achilles heel. That was always a secondary message for her.
 
Trump being Trump should be disqualifying and it is quite clear that it is not. A majority of Americans just don’t think his behavior and his rejection of norms is a big deal. A lot of them like it.

He has demonstrated that fear of the “other” and hatred are more powerful and more motivating emotions than any other, or than are facts.

Our country is in deep, deep trouble and I fear for us — especially the least among us — both immediately and in the future. Our children’s’ future.
This is so true. We are headed down a dark path.
 
He has demonstrated that fear of the “other” and hatred are more powerful and more motivating emotions than any other, or than are facts.

Our country is in deep, deep trouble and I fear for us — especially the least among us — both immediately and in the future. Our children’s’ future.
“If thou hast not conquer'd thy self in that which is thy own particular Weakness, thou hast no Title to Virtue, tho' thou art free of other Men's. For a Covetous Man to inveigh against Prodigality, an Atheist against Idolatry, a Tyrant against Rebellion, or a Lyer against Forgery, and a Drunkard against Intemperance, is for the Pot to call the Kettle black."

- William Penn
 
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