2024 Presidential Election -- new thread for the final week

[duke79]

He didn't add a record $8.5T to our debt in 4 years with new spending. He did it by giving massive tax cuts to billionaires and corporations.

First of all, the tax cuts were not "massive"; second, the tax cuts DID cause some of the deficit spending over his four years; third, and BUT, a lot of that deficit spending in the last two years of his administration was related to Covid and the shut down of the US economy (when (many) people panicked that we were all going to die, if we had any contact with other human beings) and the federal government was concerned that we were heading towards a 1930's-type of depression, if we didn't have a huge federal response. You can make an argument that the Trump administration and Steven M (the Treasury secretary) saved the economy and the country with their quick and massive fiscal response to the pandemic but it did cause the national debt to spike.

 

[sagegrouse]

You mean, like, the $35 TRILLION dollars of debt (and not including unfunded liabilities for social security, medicare, medicaid, etc) that the federal government is responsible for paying back ??

Bogus talk, my friend. Let's save it for another day.

 

[Chicago 1995]

Freedom of the Press. It's only free if you say what we want.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/05/media/trump-revokes-journalists-election-night-credentials/index.html

Politico? Axios? They've both been relatively friendly to DJT. Circling the wagons isn't a great sign for the GOP, I wouldn't think.

 

[PackMan97]

I think the part of the horse race where the details of what Trump did or didn't do during the Presidency or Harris did or didn't do during her Vice Presidency are behind us. They are important from a historical point of view, but they no longer matter.

At the end of the day the people will have voted and all that is left is determining how many votes were cast for each candidate.

 

[Chicago 1995]

First of all, the tax cuts were not "massive"; second, the tax cuts DID cause some of the deficit spending over his four years; third, and BUT, a lot of that deficit spending in the last two years of his administration was related to Covid and the shut down of the US economy (when (many) people panicked that we were all going to die, if we had any contact with other human beings) and the federal government was concerned that we were heading towards a 1930's-type of depression, if we didn't have a huge federal response. You can make an argument that the Trump administration and Steven M (the Treasury secretary) saved the economy and the country with their quick and massive fiscal response to the pandemic but it did cause the national debt to spike.

By two years, I think you mean the last nine months. Covid wasn't a thing in January 2019.

 

[BandAlum83]

MSNBC has been showing huge lines for voting at Temple University. All these Gen Z first time voters. You'd think it skews for Harris, but we'll see.

Paul Rudd giving out water. Ironically, he wouldn't be allowed to do that in Georgia.

 

[Furniture]

MSNBC has been showing huge lines for voting at Temple University. All these Gen Z first time voters. You'd think it skews for Harris, but we'll see.

Paul Rudd giving out water. Ironically, he wouldn't be allowed to do that in Georgia.

Only Larry David is allowed to give out water in Georgia.

 

[JasonEvans]

We should not be having policy discussions period, let alone today.

Stop it... now.

 

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I think the part of the horse race where the details of what Trump did or didn't do during the Presidency or Harris did or didn't do during her Vice Presidency are behind us. They are important from a historical point of view, but they no longer matter.

At the end of the day the people will have voted and all that is left is determining how many votes were cast for each candidate.

And respecting the will of the people, whatever that may be.

 

[dlmzzz]

So quite literally, if Trump loses the election, Trump could and will probably lose $BILLIONS as this meme stock will quite literally go to pennies or zero. He won't be able to get out or sell fast enough. There have been no disclosures, so he hasn't sold off yet. Talk about high stakes election, he has billions and possibly jail on the line.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I'm really struggling to follow the rules of this forum in my response. I suggest you examine the certainty you express in that statement.

 

[SouthernDukie]

It’s being reported right now that there are very long lines in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, but not the city proper. Not sure that’s a great sign.

One man just interviewed who is a lifelong Democrat that is voting for Trump because he wants to see change.

 

[CameronBornAndBred]

It’s being reported right now that there are very long lines in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, but not the city proper. Not sure that’s a great sign.

It doesn't mean that people aren't voting, it may mean those polling stations are well organized. MSNBC keeps showing live shots from a Philly station that has a two hour wait. It's two hours because they have only 7 voting machines on site.

 

[Mal]

Only Larry David is allowed to give out water in Georgia.

Dang! Well played. Beat me to it. Gotta start hitting the refresh button faster/more consistently.

 

[Skydog]

I have to get ready to go count votes in my small town (401 registered voters) tonight after the polls close at 8:00 PM. We still use paper ballots (but no hanging chads issue). I expect Harris to carry the town by a huge margin.

So how does the rigging work? Photocopier?

 

[budwom]

I have deleted several of the posts concerning who makes up the GOP. While I think they were well-intentioned and not inflammatory in themselves, it is easy to see how that could spin out of control. I'm sure y'all understand.

Let's focus on the race and candidates. The quickest way for this thread to get into trouble is talking about groups of opposing supporters in generalized terms.

Thanks. Great job by everybody so far!

it's like taking a bus load of kindergartners to the zoo for the day. try to minimize the number of pukers and try to get home with the same number you left with, within reason.

 

[dudog84]

By two years, I think you mean the last nine months. Covid wasn't a thing in January 2019.

It wasn't much of a thing in January 2020, either. The 1st reported case in the U.S. was in late January, 1st death on February 29th.

 

[Chicago 1995]

It’s being reported right now that there are very long lines in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, but not the city proper. Not sure that’s a great sign.

One man just interviewed who is a lifelong Democrat that is voting for Trump because he wants to see change.

The CW, for this election at least, is that the 'burbs are leaning pretty strongly pro-Kamala. We'll see if that's right, but given general trends about how support breaks along education levels and the gender gap, there's some basis for that thinking.

 

[PackMan97]

And respecting the will of the people, whatever that may be.

I had no idea you were a Muse fan! Rock on!

 

[Mal]

I think reading anything into anything based on line length, random interviews with voters who are comfortable disclosing who they voted for on camera for all the world to see, the composition of people at various precincts, exit polling, people saying "I was voter #___ this year at __:___ o'clock, last time I was voter # ___ at ___:___ o'clock" etc., etc., is basically astrology. I think I may still be scarred from a previous election now many moons ago, where the early indications from exit polling were great for the candidate I preferred and they ended up losing pretty convincingly.

I'm moderately interested in some of the breakdowns in party affiliation and gender as they come out, I guess. But broadly speaking, I'm trying really hard to ignore all of that equivalent of yard sign counting going on. Can't wait for real numbers!

ETA: meant this to be a response to soothe Eeyore's, I mean Southern's, nerves. You're gonna burn out if you spend the next three hours before any real data starts coming in worrying about what some rando in Oakmont thinks! Que sera, sera. Just looking out for your mental health

 

[BandAlum83]

I'm really struggling to follow the rules of this forum in my response. I suggest you examine the certainty you express in that statement.

Here are the SEC filings on record at nasdaq.com. There isn't a bunch of activity. Unless he sold in the past few days and has yet to file, he hasn't sold yet. If you have another source that might be up to the minute or more reliable, by all means, share please.