2024 Olympics - General commentary

I actually didn't care for Kendricks' cheerleading for Duplantis. It wasn't needed and it took the spotlight away from Duplantis. The real sportsman was Duplantis who was unphased by the moment and who delivered a performance for the history books. This was as big as Bob Beamon breaking the long jump record in Mexico City in 1968, for those who might remember.
It was the final event of the night and there was a stadium full of 80,000 people exclusively watching Duplantis try to set a world record.

I really doubt Kendricks had many, if any, people paying attention to him when Mondo was lining up to attempt another vault.
 
Remember that Beamon’s great long jump in the Mexico City Olympics was enhanced by high altitude. The article linked by Devil Horse (#538) is really good.
 
Remember that Beamon’s great long jump in the Mexico City Olympics was enhanced by high altitude. The article linked by Devil Horse (#538) is really good.
I was wondering was going to mention that very relevant point. The Mexico City altitude had a significant effect on that jump.
 
I was wondering was going to mention that very relevant point. The Mexico City altitude had a significant effect on that jump.
How? I can see how the strong tailwind helped his jump, but not sure how altitude does much.

Just came across an interesting analysis:

Of the many variables involved in jumping, altitude can affect only one of them -- horizontal velocity due to the resistance of air. A trailing wind can also reduce the apparent air resistance. Only the athlete can influence any of the other variables.

Uber-track fan and physicist Jonas Murieka has created a wind/altitude calculator that most experts in the running world subscribe to. His calculations suggest that Mexico City's altitude is responsible for only 0.067s (or .67 percent) improvement in 10.0 sprint times.

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/index.html
Beamon's one jump improvement was a 6.6% improvement. Once. No one else had an improvement that was 10 TIMES what you would expect due to the altitude. In fact, I'm willing to bet that one one else in recorded history has made a 6.6% improvement in a long just simply by jumping at a high altitude location.

At sea level, most experts say that a 2.0 m/s tailwind is worth 0.1 seconds in a 100m race, neatly matching the results of Jona's calculator. As one would expect the effect of a 2.0m/s tailwind at 2200 meter altitude would probably be less. Jona's calculator puts it at .76s. The cumulative effect of BOTH altitude and 2.0m/s tailwind would be only 0.143s (1.43 percent). You cannot translate a possible increase of 1.43 percent in horizontal velocity to the actual jump result of 6.6 percent and claim it was all due to the altitude/wind.

Beamon just popped one for the ages. Very simple.

If you go to the analysis of Beamons jump with both Carl Lewis's and Mike Powell's record jumps you'll find that Powell's jump was produced with a 25 degree angle of trajectory, and a slower speed than Lewis'. King Carl's best jump had a 21 degree angle of trajectory, but faster Hv (no kidding?). Reports that I've heard, was that Beamon's jump he had an angle of trajectory of 35 DEGREES! Anecdotally, people couldn't believe how high Beamon was in the air.

It is so easy for some to discount the physics and the uniqueness of Beamons singular jump, and attribute it to the altitude, which doesn't discriminate over who she will bless? Beamon's PR going into The Olympics (8.33) was 2cm short of the WR (8.35) that was shared by Ralph Boston and Igor Ter-Ovanesjan. How come altitude discrimated against THEM but helped only Beamon? How come none of the sprinters made 6.6 percent improvements in their events -- for 10.0/20.0 times, 6.6% improvement means they should have run 9.34 and 18.67.

Neither altitude nor wind can account for more than 21 percent of Beamons jump.
 
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A little weird that the kid grew up in Louisiana and went to LSU but vaults for Sweden because they offered his father a coaching job. Would rather have heard that he just had a special affinity for his mother's homeland, spent half his youth there, or was a late bloomer and couldn't make the U.S. team several years ago. Something a little more organic and less monetary.

Not a huge deal. They're all professionals trying to make a living in their sport at this point, and the amateurism ship sailed decades ago. But a little odd to see someone competing at the Olympics for a country they moved to only when they decided to compete for them. Maybe it feels strange because everyone makes such a big deal about how at the Olympics you're competing for, and representing, your country, and the athletes really seem to buy into that patriotic angle. Mondo's just...not. Neither, for instance, are American sprinters who are top 20 in the world but not top 3 in the U.S. who go run for their grandparent's country they may never have even visited.

Like I said, not the biggest deal in the world - ultimately I think the Olympics are supposed to be about showcasing the very best in the world at their sport more than they're supposed to be about which country gets the most medals, etc. And Duplantis certainly delivered on being the best - he was really impressive to watch.
 
Remember that Beamon’s great long jump in the Mexico City Olympics was enhanced by high altitude. The article linked by Devil Horse (#538) is really good.
Also remember that Beamon did something the night before he typically swore off before competitions


"That night, Beamon admitted, he relaxed with some tequila and committed the “cardinal sin” of having sex with his girlfriend. “All I could think of were words that started with ‘D’–deplete, drain, dissipate, distract, da da da dum!,” he noted in his memoir, The Man Who Could Fly. “‘You have just left your gold medal on the sheets,’ I told myself.”
 
A little weird that the kid grew up in Louisiana and went to LSU but vaults for Sweden because they offered his father a coaching job. Would rather have heard that he just had a special affinity for his mother's homeland, spent half his youth there, or was a late bloomer and couldn't make the U.S. team several years ago. Something a little more organic and less monetary.

Not a huge deal. They're all professionals trying to make a living in their sport at this point, and the amateurism ship sailed decades ago. But a little odd to see someone competing at the Olympics for a country they moved to only when they decided to compete for them. Maybe it feels strange because everyone makes such a big deal about how at the Olympics you're competing for, and representing, your country, and the athletes really seem to buy into that patriotic angle. Mondo's just...not. Neither, for instance, are American sprinters who are top 20 in the world but not top 3 in the U.S. who go run for their grandparent's country they may never have even visited.

Like I said, not the biggest deal in the world - ultimately I think the Olympics are supposed to be about showcasing the very best in the world at their sport more than they're supposed to be about which country gets the most medals, etc. And Duplantis certainly delivered on being the best - he was really impressive to watch.
I agree with you though would differentiate him from someone who adopts a family members country as their only way to participate. He obviously could have made the US team and been in the Olympics. If your only way to get in is to pick another country, I’m not a huge fan but I get it - gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Big win for USA last night in Women's Surfing, not exactly an upset but not exactly a slam dunk. Great story too, Caroline Marks is young and has been a phenom her entire career. Took a break to deal with the pressures and challenges that come with that and now has a Gold medal!
 
Yes, indeed. The US has not been very good in the 1500m for quite some time. It was a very fast race with the top 4 all breaking the Olympic record. 1st and 3rd is quite surprising for the Americans.
It was a very exciting race! I thought Hocker was blocked in (until he wasn’t). I wish they had shown the photo finish because it looked like Nuguse for the US almost edged out GB for the silver. They have a photo on the Olympic app, but it isn’t helpful because the finish line isn’t superimposed on the photo.
I am sure they called the finish correctly, but I would just like to see the evidence!
 
I read that it was less that Sweden offered his dad a coaching job and more that the US would not allow him to keep his chosen coach (his dad) and continue to rise through the Team USA ranks and compete. He said she said though, nothing firm or cited.
 
It was a very exciting race! I thought Hocker was blocked in (until he wasn’t). I wish they had shown the photo finish because it looked like Nuguse for the US almost edged out GB for the silver. They have a photo on the Olympic app, but it isn’t helpful because the finish line isn’t superimposed on the photo.
I am sure they called the finish correctly, but I would just like to see the evidence!
Maybe it was just me, but I enjoyed seeing Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen go down. Great runner with plenty of confidence; he thought he could control the whole race from the front, but finished out of the medals.

Tremendous day for the USA runners who go 1-3-5.
 
Maybe it was just me, but I enjoyed seeing Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen go down. Great runner with plenty of confidence; he thought he could control the whole race from the front, but finished out of the medals.

Tremendous day for the USA runners who go 1-3-5.
Pace makes the race.

Larry
DevilHorse
 
yeah, the margin by which he beat the WR indicates that altitude theory is pretty moot...
Dufus Dukie here. I didn't think wind resistance made much of a difference until object or athlete was going about 20 MPH. I would guess that was about the speed of Bob Beamon on the runway.

In fact, I often wonder why I bother to ski in the monocoque position when going down a smooth steep slope. GPS suggests 30 mph is about my speed.
 
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