Way-Too-Early Projected Lineups and Stat Lines for the 2024-2025 Season

jipops said:
I'm truly looking forward to how well this post ages when we get to January.
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Ok, jipops, let's have some fun with it. What's our pie bet over/under on Kon's mpg during ACC play? 14mpg?

I just looked up TJ's numbers and he played 6.6mpg during ACC play.
 
jipops said:
McCain was the best shooter in the class and had the profile of a combo guard. This indicated he could generate offense for himself and others. There was tons of buzz about Jared. His competition for minutes as a wing or off guard were Foster, Blakes, and Schutt. I thought McCain would play a lot. Still, he ended up beating my expectations by the end of the season finishing as our best guard. I admit I did not see him as a 1st rounder before the start of the season. The kid that surprised me the most though was Foster. Though his minutes came about as a result of necessity when Proctor went down. Still, towards the end of the season he showed he belonged on the floor.

McCain and Kneuppel are not at all the same.
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well, Schutt ended up red-shirting, Blakes brought so little on offense and had such gaping holes in his defense that he didn't play all that much down the stretch, and that left only Foster being legit competition for McCain at the non-PG spot. Even then, Foster played PG often enough (due to Proctor's injury, Proctor needing some rest during games) that McCain got even more minutes that way.
jipops said:
It’s maybe worth adding that TJ Power was widely regarded as one of 2023’s best shooters as well. Scheyer himself commented on this early in the season. Yet TJ needed a lot of space to get it off, never could get comfortable with his shot, and his non-existent D kept him off the floor.
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TJ also couldn't do anything other than spot-up shooting. TJ was a slightly-more-prepared-to-shoot version of Joey Baker.
 
Phredd3 said:
Yes, I'm aware, and I should have stuck the "ACC" in there. I knew that would be called out. It's irrelevant to my point.
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It was actually the quote that you used at the top of your response.

The other quote that you attributed to me in your post is that I "keep claiming that Brown is a traditional 5" when I've never once claimed that. It's pretty obvious that we brought him in as a hybrid 4/5.

So you misquoted me twice in your response.
 
trinity79 said:
I'm just looking forward to someone starting a separate "Retroactive High School Recruiting Evaluation of Kon Knueppel" thread 🧵
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I do wish there was a way to track these rankings over time. I would be super interested to see whether a "late riser" in the rankings correlates to performance vs final ranking.

McCain was a late riser. So is Kon. So is Darren Harris.
 
SkyBrickey said:
It was actually the quote that you used at the top of your response.

The other quote that you attributed to me in your post is that I "keep claiming that Brown is a traditional 5" when I've never once claimed that. It's pretty obvious that we brought him in as a hybrid 4/5.

So you misquoted me twice in your response.
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I quoted you entirely accurately. You may object to my characterizations of what you said, but I did not misquote you at all, let alone do so twice.

Neither point was relevant, anyway. Maliq did not "play the 5" at Syracuse. He played in a double-4 set. There was no 5 on the floor at Syracuse after the injury to their remaining center.

That's the only point I was making. Can we move on, please?
 
Phredd3 said:
I quoted you entirely accurately. You may object to my characterizations of what you said, but I did not misquote you at all, let alone do so twice.

Neither point was relevant, anyway. Maliq did not "play the 5" at Syracuse. He played in a double-4 set. There was no 5 on the floor at Syracuse after the injury to their remaining center.

That's the only point I was making. Can we move on, please?
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Not sure why you'd triple down when your post is just one page back.

You already admitted to misquoting me about him playing the entire ACC season, not the entire season. Big difference.

And here's your other quote.

"He simply didn't play as a traditional 5, no matter how many times you want to say that he did."

Yes, let's call that a mischaracterization since I have never once referred to Maliq as a "traditional 5", much less called him that many times. He's a hybrid 4/5 on this team which I don't think is controversial.

It seems like you've watched Maliq play a lot more than most of us here on this board, so I'm definitely open to insights you have on his game... ✌️
 
SkyBrickey said:
You already admitted to misquoting me about him playing the entire ACC season, not the entire season.
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I'm going to say this, and this only: At no time did I misquote you. Period. I quoted your exact words. Anything else in my post were my words and were not quotes. You seem not to understand the difference, but I do, and it matters to me.

Beyond that, I'm out.
 
SkyBrickey said:
I do wish there was a way to track these rankings over time. I would be super interested to see whether a "late riser" in the rankings correlates to performance vs final ranking.

McCain was a late riser. So is Kon. So is Darren Harris.
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This is a phenomenon I've noticed over the past few years as well that I think bodes well for K2. Especially in the tier below the "clear OAD guys", players who rise in the rankings tend to be more likely to have an instant impact than those that fade. (FWIW, Darren Harris is probably below this level, although he has also risen). When Jared committed to Duke, I think most of us would've expected him to play significantly less than Caleb Foster based on their respective rankings. While they ended up ranked very similarly, Jared was on an upward trajectory while Caleb was fading.... and while, of course, Caleb was a huge factor for us last year, it was clear he was a step behind Jared.
 
scottdude8 said:
This is a phenomenon I've noticed over the past few years as well that I think bodes well for K2. Especially in the tier below the "clear OAD guys", players who rise in the rankings tend to be more likely to have an instant impact than those that fade. (FWIW, Darren Harris is probably below this level, although he has also risen). When Jared committed to Duke, I think most of us would've expected him to play significantly less than Caleb Foster based on their respective rankings. While they ended up ranked very similarly, Jared was on an upward trajectory while Caleb was fading.... and while, of course, Caleb was a huge factor for us last year, it was clear he was a step behind Jared.
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Yes, and my memory isn't crystal clear but I recall Kon at one point in the process being mid-20s while Isaiah was 8-10. This was probably on 247.

This gives Isaiah's praise of Kon on the podcast yesterday an extra layer of special. No hint of jealousy. He just seemed genuinely excited about how well Kon was shooting and playing. Isaiah is a very likable kid.
 
scottdude8 said:
This is a phenomenon I've noticed over the past few years as well that I think bodes well for K2. Especially in the tier below the "clear OAD guys", players who rise in the rankings tend to be more likely to have an instant impact than those that fade. (FWIW, Darren Harris is probably below this level, although he has also risen). When Jared committed to Duke, I think most of us would've expected him to play significantly less than Caleb Foster based on their respective rankings. While they ended up ranked very similarly, Jared was on an upward trajectory while Caleb was fading.... and while, of course, Caleb was a huge factor for us last year, it was clear he was a step behind Jared.
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Didn't Caleb and Jared just flip-flop from summer to final rankings? I don't remember a huge gap. Both were top 20 but not top 10.
 
azzefkram said:
Didn't Caleb and Jared just flip-flop from summer to final rankings? I don't remember a huge gap. Both were top 20 but not top 10.
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I remember them both being around 20 and then Jared having the late surge up to 12. I don't remember Caleb falling back. Would be very cool to be able to see that history.
 
azzefkram said:
Didn't Caleb and Jared just flip-flop from summer to final rankings? I don't remember a huge gap. Both were top 20 but not top 10.
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SkyBrickey said:
I remember them both being around 20 and then Jared having the late surge up to 12. I don't remember Caleb falling back. Would be very cool to be able to see that history.
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You can.

RSCI 2023 Summer (October 2022)
Caleb Foster: #13 (VC #12, ESPN #13, Rivals #20, 247 Sports #9, On3 #14)
Jared McCain: #18 (VC #17, ESPN #16, Rivals #18, 247 Sports #26, On3 #18)

RSCI 2023 Final (May 2023)
Caleb Foster: #17 (ESPN #23, Rivals #19, 247 Sports #21, On3 #19)
Jared McCain: #12 (ESPN #10, Rivals #11, 247 Sports #13, On3 #13)
 
brevity said:
You can.

RSCI 2023 Summer (October 2022)
Caleb Foster: #13 (VC #12, ESPN #13, Rivals #20, 247 Sports #9, On3 #14)
Jared McCain: #18 (VC #17, ESPN #16, Rivals #18, 247 Sports #26, On3 #18)

RSCI 2023 Final (May 2023)
Caleb Foster: #17 (ESPN #23, Rivals #19, 247 Sports #21, On3 #19)
Jared McCain: #12 (ESPN #10, Rivals #11, 247 Sports #13, On3 #13)
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I knew the master of information brevity would come through.
 
brevity said:
You can.

RSCI 2023 Summer (October 2022)
Caleb Foster: #13 (VC #12, ESPN #13, Rivals #20, 247 Sports #9, On3 #14)
Jared McCain: #18 (VC #17, ESPN #16, Rivals #18, 247 Sports #26, On3 #18)

RSCI 2023 Final (May 2023)
Caleb Foster: #17 (ESPN #23, Rivals #19, 247 Sports #21, On3 #19)
Jared McCain: #12 (ESPN #10, Rivals #11, 247 Sports #13, On3 #13)
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Wow, excellent. Thank you. They did flip flop! Do you have Kon and Isaiah at your fingertips? 🤓
 
jipops said:
Him playing in a college game against power conference competition.
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Just pointing out that there are questions for every player on the roster to answer re: offense, which is part of why some of us see an opportunity for Kon.

The transfers haven’t produced with very high usage, and/or at the high major level.

The freshmen have the same questions as Kon. Yes even Flagg.

The returnees haven’t done it consistently.

There’s very much a world where Duke needs Kon for offensive pop.
 
DukieTiger said:
Just pointing out that there are questions for every player on the roster to answer re: offense, which is part of why some of us see an opportunity for Kon.

The transfers haven’t produced with very high usage, and/or at the high major level.

The freshmen have the same questions as Kon. Yes even Flagg.

The returnees haven’t done it consistently.

There’s very much a world where Duke needs Kon for offensive pop.
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I remember being really bullish on Jacob Grandison's 3-point shooting and Theo Jon's physicality before the season started. Both ended up being solid contributors, but their limitations showed up once the season started.

I think with freshmen and with transfers, it's always wise to reign in the enthusiasm a bit until the season starts.

Except with K2. He's just different....... I kid.
 
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