This Week in the ACC - 12/2-12/8

JasonEvans said:
"Maybe"??? Not sure if you have looked at Pitt and Clemson's resumes at the moment but they are pretty impressive. I mean, Pitt is #5 in the NET rankings right now and you call them a "maybe." If anything, Carolina looks a good bit closer to the bubble than either Pitt or Clemson based on what the teams have done thus far.

Right now, the ACC has 4 teams that are about as close to being locks as teams can be at this stage of the season, and I think it is highly likely that at least one or two more teams will emerge to be contenders for a tourney bid. I mean, someone has to win the game when Lou and Stanford or SMU and FSU play each other... and one or two of those teams will likely stumble its way to 11 or 12 ACC wins, which should get it at least a solid peek at the bubble.

While the ACC appears to be the weakest of the P5, it is nowhere close to the Mountain West, WCC, or A10, the next best conferences. The ACC is bad this year and I agree that there have been some poor coaching hires that have impacted things, but saying the conference will be 6th or 7th -- the equivalent of a mid-major conference -- is a bit too much hyperbole.
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Yep. Maybe Pitt. Now I’m thinking probably not Pitt. They are down by nearly 30 to Mississippi St (who???) early in the 2nd half.
 
cbarry said:
Yep. Maybe Pitt. Now I’m thinking probably not Pitt. They are down by nearly 30 to Mississippi St (who???) early in the 2nd half.
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Miss St is a good team (not a “who?” caliber team).

Pitt has had a very good year so far, but has had an awful night tonight.
 
CDu said:
Miss St is a good team (not a “who?” caliber team).

Pitt has had a very good year so far, but has had an awful night tonight.
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Well that is my mistake then. I just had never heard of any of their players or coaches, and I don’t recall them ever going very far in the tourney.
 
Evan’s looks so cute like he is totally happily surprised that he’s hitting all these threes. It’s awesome!
ETA: wrong thread, but it’s still true
 
Just a brutal two days for the ACC. Thankfully Duke and Clemson won at home in big matchups. But the rest of the conference looked like garbage. Pitt dropped from having a comfortably top-20 resume (#13 in Torvik's regular season-only metric) yesterday to a fringe top-25 (#23 now) today. Miss St is good (currently the #14 resume in-season) and was at home, but Pitt really needed to make that game competitive. They are feeling like a 7/10 seed range right now.

UNC sitting at .500 now too (not that anyone is sad about that, but still). They, like Pitt, are probably still above the bubble, but not by much. It wouldn't take a ton of slippage for either of them to be on the bubble come March.
 
MChambers said:
If you remove the preseason adjustment and run T-rank based solely on this season's performance, UNC is #60.
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Yeah, they are in worse shape than Pitt for sure right now. Though Pitt will have to contend with the injury to Dunn (hopefully last night was just a one-off and not a sign of what the team looks like without Dunn).
 
Matches said:
Carolina can’t guard anybody. Their interior D may not be fixable, but their perimeter D can and must improve.
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The crazy part is how bad they are at forcing turnovers. Davis had them trying to press last night, and it wound up being a fast-break layup/dunk drill for Bama.

Their frontcourt is atrocious. It was on paper, and it's playing out that way in reality. They are going to have to start forcing turnovers in order to not have to win shootouts moving forward.

The other big concern is that RJ Davis is really struggling as a shooter. They really need him to be an ACC PoY caliber player to do well.
 
wilson said:
[Mississippi State] made the Final Four in 1996, fwiw.
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cbarry said:
...those player’s kids are probably college now. Lol.
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Also true, but case in point of what I frequently tell my writing students all the time, that employing absolute language like "ever" will quickly paint you into a corner if you're not careful.
...and while we're at it with the writing pedantry (this being DBR, after all), the apostrophe on your plural possessive should be after the s, not before.
 
wilson said:
Also true, but case in point of what I frequently tell my writing students all the time, that employing absolute language like "ever" will quickly paint you into a corner if you're not careful.
...and while we're at it with the writing pedantry (this being DBR, after all), the apostrophe on your plural possessive should be after the s, not before.
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Correction made. Thanks. I was typing too quickly at the end of my lunch break.
I can’t remember that <ever> happening, and will <never> happen again. ;)
 
CDu said:
UNC sitting at .500 now too (not that anyone is sad about that, but still). They, like Pitt, are probably still above the bubble, but not by much. It wouldn't take a ton of slippage for either of them to be on the bubble come March.
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MChambers said:
If you remove the preseason adjustment and run T-rank based solely on this season's performance, UNC is #60.
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CDu said:
Yeah, they are in worse shape than Pitt for sure right now. Though Pitt will have to contend with the injury to Dunn (hopefully last night was just a one-off and not a sign of what the team looks like without Dunn).
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Matches said:
Carolina can’t guard anybody. Their interior D may not be fixable, but their perimeter D can and must improve.
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CDu said:
The crazy part is how bad they are at forcing turnovers. Davis had them trying to press last night, and it wound up being a fast-break layup/dunk drill for Bama.

Their frontcourt is atrocious. It was on paper, and it's playing out that way in reality. They are going to have to start forcing turnovers in order to not have to win shootouts moving forward.

The other big concern is that RJ Davis is really struggling as a shooter. They really need him to be an ACC PoY caliber player to do well.
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But we all know that if uncch is anywhere near - within bloodhound smelling distance of - the bubble, they are definitely in - probably at no worse than a 4-seed.
 
MChambers said:
If you remove the preseason adjustment and run T-rank based solely on this season's performance, UNC is #60.
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Yeah, the lack of interior defense and rebounding, and the short stature of their guards are not really thinks that are fixable. Maybe they will finish second in the conference, but I could also see them slipping behind Pitt Clemson Louisville and missing the tourney again.

Would they keep Hubert if he misses the tourney in 2 of his first 4 seasons? He also has whiffed hard on this recruiting class.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Would they keep Hubert if he misses the tourney in 2 of his first 4 seasons? He also has whiffed hard on this recruiting class.
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More likely they up his NIL budget and discourage him from spending it all on one talented but undersized guard. 🤣
 
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