Stanford, Cal, and SMU - Welcome to the ACC

Well, I suggested the ACC add Cal and Stanford back in early August--and was soundly mocked for said suggestion. But I did not see SMU coming.
 
So the ACCN now has a given 10PM slot every week for football and basketball. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. They added Syracuse and Pitt while I was sitting in Alumni Stadium. Now I've got 2 new football stadiums and 3 new basketball stadiums to visit.
 
Here's some info on scheduling plans, courtesy of Ross Dellenger on Twitter:
  • The ACC’s expansion proposals is expected to address cross-country travel for the original 14 members. In 1 proposal circulated among officials, each of a school’s sports programs would be scheduled to travel to Stanford/Cal only once every other year, sources tell @YahooSports
  • Stanford’s ACC travel isn’t as significant as many believe: 22 of the school’s 36 sports will see little to no change, as many will continue to compete outside of the ACC on the West Coast, such as water polo. ACC does not sponsor several sports in which Stanford participates.
  • New details of the ACC’s travel proposal: Under one component that still needs formalization, Eastern members & two new Western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports, sources tell
I can't see doing all the competition in Olympic sports between Eastern and Western teams in Dallas. We'll need more contact than that to be a real conference for the ACC to be a real conference, if that's possible anymore. Volleyball competitions in an empty gym in Dallas? That's not going to be satisfactory for the teams or fans, and, yes, volleyball has fans.
 
I had read something before stating that due to "state politics" and/or regulations, that UNC and NC St basically had to vote in sync, but clearly NC State changed its mind and didn't vote like UNC. Does anybody actually know what rules/politics might have been referenced there? Perhaps what I read was bunk. Didn't make that much sense to me. Maybe it's just saying the optics of them having differing opinions for the future course of the conference as NC state schools.

I have mixed feelings about this. Happy to have schools like Stanford and Cal into the fold -- but the travel/dual coast aspect of it to me is still hard to overcome. ND should be obligated to join for football now, given they voted for the expansion, ha!
 
hallcity said:
Here's some info on scheduling plans, courtesy of Ross Dellenger on Twitter:
  • The ACC’s expansion proposals is expected to address cross-country travel for the original 14 members. In 1 proposal circulated among officials, each of a school’s sports programs would be scheduled to travel to Stanford/Cal only once every other year, sources tell @YahooSports
  • Stanford’s ACC travel isn’t as significant as many believe: 22 of the school’s 36 sports will see little to no change, as many will continue to compete outside of the ACC on the West Coast, such as water polo. ACC does not sponsor several sports in which Stanford participates.
  • New details of the ACC’s travel proposal: Under one component that still needs formalization, Eastern members & two new Western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports, sources tell
I can't see doing all the competition in Olympic sports between Eastern and Western teams in Dallas. We'll need more contact than that to be a real conference for the ACC to be a real conference, if that's possible anymore. Volleyball competitions in an empty gym in Dallas? That's not going to be satisfactory for the teams or fans, and, yes, volleyball has fans.
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Excellent info.

Also, if you look at Stanford sport by sport, it already has some ridiculous travel. It's not as if it's teams we do not already regularly leaving Pacific time to play.

I'd like to see quantitative reporting that benchmarks current travel time/missed in-person classes to what things will become with expansion. My hunch is the fractional increase would be shockingly small because the current quantity of missed class time is shockingly high.
 
LeadingEdge said:
Excellent info.

Also, if you look at Stanford sport by sport, it already has some ridiculous travel. It's not as if it's teams we do not already regularly leaving Pacific time to play.

I'd like to see quantitative reporting that benchmarks current travel time/missed in-person classes to what things will become with expansion. My hunch is the fractional increase would be shockingly small because the current quantity of missed class time is shockingly high.
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Probably the case for current ACC schools. Not sure that'll be the case for Stanford/Cal/SMU but they were in a tougher situation so had to make concessions somewhere.
 
Bluedog said:
I had read something before stating that due to "state politics" and/or regulations, that UNC and NC St basically had to vote in sync, but clearly NC State changed its mind and didn't vote like UNC. Does anybody actually know what rules/politics might have been referenced there? Perhaps what I read was bunk. Didn't make that much sense to me. Maybe it's just saying the optics of them having differing opinions for the future course of the conference as NC state schools.

I have mixed feelings about this. Happy to have schools like Stanford and Cal into the fold -- but the travel/dual coast aspect of it to me is still hard to overcome. ND should be obligated to join for football now, given they voted for the expansion, ha!
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People can mock the deal as they wish, but this is helping to keep the ACC alive...maybe in time we'll find a better landing spot (I see the B1G in our distant future). Had we ended up with a dead ACC and playing hoops in a cesspool conference, folks would wonder why we "didn't do something." So they did something...it has drawbacks, but given the circumstances, I think it's a good intermediate term fix. And I think Hallcity points out how the travel stuff can be mitigated. Basically it's nothing for current ACC members (teams will absolutely love an every other year trip to NoCal)...and obviously Cal and Stanford think they can deal with the issue...
 
budwom said:
People can mock the deal as they wish, but this is helping to keep the ACC alive...maybe in time we'll find a better landing spot (I see the B1G in our distant future). Had we ended up with a dead ACC and playing hoops in a cesspool conference, folks would wonder why we "didn't do something." So they did something...it has drawbacks, but given the circumstances, I think it's a good intermediate term fix. And I think Hallcity points out how the travel stuff can be mitigated. Basically it's nothing for current ACC members (teams will absolutely love an every other year trip to NoCal)...and obviously Cal and Stanford think they can deal with the issue...
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I second this opinion. Having a daughter who played on a non-rev east coast team I can tell you they were all excited for annual (in their case) trips to the west coast.
 
This isn't the most nonsensical realignment move (USC/UCLA beat us to that), but the only move where the conference vote was not unanimous and the reasoning of every involved party was "well what better options do we have".

Conference continues to be held together by gum and Flex Seal
 
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