National POY Discussion

ChillinDuke said:
Markus Burton on ND is having a very good season as well, albeit on a not great team.

20.1 (2nd in ACC) with 3.4 boards, 3.2 assists and 1.4 steals (14th) in 30.6 mpg. He's shooting 46/42/85%.

I'm not sure that's 1st Team worthy. But certainly All ACC.

- Chillin
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Good catch. I was going to say Coop is #2 in scoring, but I'm was looking at ESPN's stat leaders page, which only lists players who appear in at least 75% of their team's games. Burton has only played in 14 of ND's 21 contests after losing a month plus to injury, so he doesn't meet ESPN's qualification criteria. He has appeared in 8 of ND's 10 ACC games to date.
 
DavidBenAkiva said:
Broome's advanced stats (Player Efficiency Rating, Win Shares, Box Plus/Minus, etc.) are also fantastic. He's a very good player.

KenPom's kPOY (KenPom Player of the Year) gives a lot of weight to team stats. Basically, it answers the question: How good does a player contribute to the best teams' success? As you might imagine, Flagg scores very well using that approach.

1. Cooper Flagg, 2.733
2. Johni Broome, 2.305
3. Hunter Dickinson, 1.599
4. Braden Smith, 1.579
5. Kam Jones, 1.499
6. Javon Small, 1.373
7. Trey Kaufman-Renn, 1.342
8. Graham Ike, 1.289
9. PJ Haggerty, 1.254
10. Mark Sears, 1.239
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Where is RJ?
 
luvdahops said:
To give another Duke angle on this, I took a Poli Sci course on Middle Eastern Politics with eminent Islamic World scholar Ralph Braibanti, and we took a class field trip to Ghandi. The point being to both understand non-Western perspectives generally, and the Hindu-Muslim conflict in post-colonial India (which begat Pakistan) in particular.
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While I had several "favorite" professors at Duke, none made a more enduring impression or had a more positive influence on my perception of what it meant to be a scholar than Dr. Braibanti. I returned to the Duke campus many times after graduating, but he was the only professor I made a point of paying a visit.
 
Stray Gator said:
While I had several "favorite" professors at Duke, none made a more enduring impression or had a more positive influence on my perception of what it meant to be a scholar than Dr. Braibanti. I returned to the Duke campus many times after graduating, but he was the only professor I made a point of paying a visit.
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I took a course from Dr. Braibanti as an undergrad at Duke as well. I remember him and his teaching style clearly. I wish I could've heard him analyze the Muslim political world in the post 9/11 period, as I only heard him in those innocent days of the mid-1980s . . .
 
Both Flagg and Broome had lackluster weeks this past week. Broome's stats were a little better but Auburn seemed to be helping him pad over a bad game last night during junk time. There is no doubt that Flagg is more important to Duke than Broome to Auburn, but it depends on what your definition of what the player of the year should be. Hopefully Flagg is healthy and energized and back to form tonight.
 
wgl1228 said:
Both Flagg and Broome had lackluster weeks this past week. Broome's stats were a little better but Auburn seemed to be helping him pad over a bad game last night during junk time. There is no doubt that Flagg is more important to Duke than Broome to Auburn, but it depends on what your definition of what the player of the year should be. Hopefully Flagg is healthy and energized and back to form tonight.
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Your wish granted.

GoDuke!
 
Weekend update:

Broome had a great game (19, 14, 6) against Alabama who looked awful for a #2 ranked team playing at home.
Flagg had a solid game with (19, 5, 6) in a route against Stanford.

It's looking like it's just going to be a toss up on who wins the NPOY. Auburn has the best team/toughest conference narrative where Flagg has the living up to the hype/media attention. PS: Duke's win over Auburn seems to be an afterthought these days because of the strength of the SEC. Frustrating.
 
luvdahops said:
Same with Forrest Gump over Shawshank Redemption (maybe a more egregious example in the eyes of many movie fans)
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I hated Forrest Gump. At the time, seemingly the entire world loved it. Anytime it came up in conversation and I mentioned that I didn't think it was that great people just stared at me. Then they became angry.
 
Edouble said:
I hated Forrest Gump. At the time, seemingly the entire world loved it. Anytime it came up in conversation and I mentioned that I didn't think it was that great people just stared at me. Then they became angry.
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You know, it is possible this had nothing to do with your preference in films.

Just sayin...

;)
 
tommy said:
The lightweight Shakespeare in Love winning Best Picture over Saving Private Ryan was the most egregious example in my eyes.
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Uhhhhh......I get that I really do. But man when you have Tom Stoppard on your writing team, it's not a fair fight. Comparisons between the two, really, though are almost a fool's errand. The visceral imagery of a war film versus the heady witticisms of Stoppard inspired by perhaps the greatest wordsmith in the history of theater. The difficult juxtaposition between the two are borne out (somewhat) by the awards they won from the Academy. SIL winning for Best Original Screenplay while SPR won a pocketful of awards more related to the mechanics of film making, e.g. Best Sound, Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Film Editing...and whether you agree critics (doing what critics sometimes do) set aside the incredible open 15 minutes of SPR as sort of a stand alone achievement, reducing the rest of the film to just another "more broadly acceptable action-adventure fare" to quote one academic. To each his own in the end I suppose. (Of course I still think The Exorcist is the greatest movie of all time and a perfect first-date engagement so YMMV.)
 
CameronBlue said:
Uhhhhh......I get that I really do. But man when you have Tom Stoppard on your writing team, it's not a fair fight. Comparisons between the two, really, though are almost a fool's errand. The visceral imagery of a war film versus the heady witticisms of Stoppard inspired by perhaps the greatest wordsmith in the history of theater. The difficult juxtaposition between the two are borne out (somewhat) by the awards they won from the Academy. SIL winning for Best Original Screenplay while SPR won a pocketful of awards more related to the mechanics of film making, e.g. Best Sound, Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Film Editing...and whether you agree critics (doing what critics sometimes do) set aside the incredible open 15 minutes of SPR as sort of a stand alone achievement, reducing the rest of the film to just another "more broadly acceptable action-adventure fare" to quote one academic. To each his own in the end I suppose. (Of course I still think The Exorcist is the greatest movie of all time and a perfect first-date engagement so YMMV.)
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I am having flashbacks to the UP movie.
 
CameronBlue said:
Uhhhhh......I get that I really do. But man when you have Tom Stoppard on your writing team, it's not a fair fight. Comparisons between the two, really, though are almost a fool's errand. The visceral imagery of a war film versus the heady witticisms of Stoppard inspired by perhaps the greatest wordsmith in the history of theater. The difficult juxtaposition between the two are borne out (somewhat) by the awards they won from the Academy. SIL winning for Best Original Screenplay while SPR won a pocketful of awards more related to the mechanics of film making, e.g. Best Sound, Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Film Editing...and whether you agree critics (doing what critics sometimes do) set aside the incredible open 15 minutes of SPR as sort of a stand alone achievement, reducing the rest of the film to just another "more broadly acceptable action-adventure fare" to quote one academic. To each his own in the end I suppose. (Of course I still think The Exorcist is the greatest movie of all time and a perfect first-date engagement so YMMV.)
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I saw both of these at Duke, while completing my English degree. So, I am biased, but I lean hard SIL. All of my English profs loved it too. SPR didn't do much for me. I have seen several better war movies. There is nothing quite like SIL though.
 
If voters want to just vote based on numbers and strength on schedule and pick Broome that's fine. I'd hope they actually watch college basketball though. I don't think anyone can seriously watch Johni Broome play basketball and say he's been better or more impactful than Cooper this season. Parking under the basket for endless tip-ins is just not equal to what Coop is doing.
 
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