MBB/WBB: Former Duke Players Now at Other Schools

While we lament these guys leaving the program -- and there is no way to know how each might have progressed had they been at Duke, competing in practice against the best with absolutely elite facilities and coaching -- but do any of their performances tell you they would have been significant rotation players right now if they had stayed at Duke?

  • Roach and Blakes would have been battling Sion James for backup minutes in the backcourt... and I think James' size, D, and physicality suits this team better.
  • Stewart would have been battling Maliq for backup minutes in the post... and I think Maliq's defensive instincts and overall smarts would have won the day.
  • Schutt and Darren Harris seem kinda similar and Harris is apparently our 10th man right now.
  • Reeves would have been battling Ngongba for third C responsibilities... not exactly a big role there.

The list of transfers who left Duke and became players where you said, "darnit! I wish we still had that guy! We'd be much better if we had him," is pretty darn slim.

Roach would be battling our tepid, starting guards for 25 minutes/game. Dude is a freaking Duke legend. The knock on him when he transferred is that he was not a pure point guard. Well, Caleb and Tyrese combined for three assists and three TOs against Maine.
 
If Roach had stayed then we likely don't get Sion from the portal. Same with Mitchell/Brown. If Stewart had stayed then maybe we still get Brown or Gillis, but probably not both.

But if we're playing the hypotheticals game just for fun (and we're willing to deprive Spencer Hubbard of his well-deserved scholarship) then I would say Roach and Mitchell are the only ones who would see the floor. Maybe Schutt is ahead of Harris for the 10th or 11th man in the rotation, but in terms of regular rotation minutes I think you honestly have a couple logjams with both of those guys.
 
While we lament these guys leaving the program -- and there is no way to know how each might have progressed had they been at Duke, competing in practice against the best with absolutely elite facilities and coaching -- but do any of their performances tell you they would have been significant rotation players right now if they had stayed at Duke?

  • Roach and Blakes would have been battling Sion James for backup minutes in the backcourt... and I think James' size, D, and physicality suits this team better.
  • Stewart would have been battling Maliq for backup minutes in the post... and I think Maliq's defensive instincts and overall smarts would have won the day.
  • Schutt and Darren Harris seem kinda similar and Harris is apparently our 10th man right now.
  • Reeves would have been battling Ngongba for third C responsibilities... not exactly a big role there.

The list of transfers who left Duke and became players where you said, "darnit! I wish we still had that guy! We'd be much better if we had him," is pretty darn slim.
Yup, hard to argue with any of Jon's roster moves this past offseason. Stewart was the only transfer I was really bummed about, and I still believe his ceiling is high, but it seems clear that Maliq is a far more polished and impactful player right now.
 
For reference guys:
PlayerNew teamMinPTSFG%REBASTTO
McCainSixers
11.2​
7​
46​
2.2​
1.2​
0.5​
FlipJazz
14.8​
5.5​
51.9​
4.2​
1.2​
1.2​
BlakesStanford
28​
12​
75​
2​
6​
1​
RoachBaylor
27​
9​
22.2​
2​
3​
2​
PowerUVAplays Wednesday
StewartOhio St.
13​
2​
0​
4​
1​
2​
SchuttVaTech
24​
9​
50​
4​
2​
0​
ReevesClemson
7​
3​
33.3​
3​
0​
3​
MitchellMizzou
29​
8​
33.3​
7​
2​
4​
 
Those guards are each high end, switchable defenders on a Duke team that is going to wreck teams with its defense. We don't need them to pile up assists when the ball is going to be largely in the hands of basketball IQ savants Cooper Flagg and Kon Kneuppel on offense.
It seems clear that Jon does not want to run a traditional system with a single "pure" point guard, but instead prefers multiple versatile ball handlers. And even if he did want a pure point guard, Roach was never seen as that player in his four years here. So had he stayed he would have just been in the mix with Foster and Proctor as all being combo guards, plus as you said Flagg and Kon would be initiating a lot of the offense too.
 
While we lament these guys leaving the program -- and there is no way to know how each might have progressed had they been at Duke, competing in practice against the best with absolutely elite facilities and coaching -- but do any of their performances tell you they would have been significant rotation players right now if they had stayed at Duke?

  • Roach and Blakes would have been battling Sion James for backup minutes in the backcourt... and I think James' size, D, and physicality suits this team better.
  • Stewart would have been battling Maliq for backup minutes in the post... and I think Maliq's defensive instincts and overall smarts would have won the day.
  • Schutt and Darren Harris seem kinda similar and Harris is apparently our 10th man right now.
  • Reeves would have been battling Ngongba for third C responsibilities... not exactly a big role there.

The list of transfers who left Duke and became players where you said, "darnit! I wish we still had that guy! We'd be much better if we had him," is pretty darn slim.

For the record, there's no undercurrent of regret or schadenfreude intended when I started this thread or previous threads like it. My motivation has been pretty consistent: there's a big, beautiful world of college basketball out there, and those who only follow Duke are experiencing a small fraction of it. And while no one can watch the nearly 730 Division I teams, an occasional monitoring of the Brotherhood and Sisterhood makes for an easy point of entry.

Short of having more than 20 players on a roster -- which California does, by the way -- Duke can't retain everybody, and I've adjusted to the new reality every season. I can miss players who departed, be excited for the newcomers, and chew gum at the same time.

I know it's early in the season, but if I had to nitpick, I would say this team seems to miss Jaylen Blakes right now more than anyone else. I understand that there were academic and playing time opportunities at Stanford, and the move is probably great for him, but I can't help but be a little selfish while noticing a Blakes-shaped hole in our reserve backcourt.

The roster has an open scholarship (even when you include Cameron Sheffield), and if Coach Scheyer were trying to optimize the Cooper Flagg season for title purposes, bringing in a 4th guard for the rotation might have been beneficial. Granted, it's a tough sell in the transfer portal; I know he expressed an interest in UC Irvine's Derin Saran (now at Stanford with Jaylen Blakes) and Colgate's Braeden Smith (now redshirting at Gonzaga).
 
From what I've seen, we have 3 guys who can play point guard (along with Cooper of course), and I would be fine with Kon, Evans or even Harris being the 4th guard. I'll feel better when Ngbonga shows he can play important minutes if needed.
 
I know it's early in the season, but if I had to nitpick, I would say this team seems to miss Jaylen Blakes right now more than anyone else. I understand that there were academic and playing time opportunities at Stanford, and the move is probably great for him, but I can't help but be a little selfish while noticing a Blakes-shaped hole in our reserve backcourt.
I'm not as high on Blakes, nor do I see our backcourt as having a hole. I liked him and wished he had played more, but last season after Foster got injured and with Schutt already being out we were basically down to four guards to play three positions, yet Blakes could still barely manage to get into the game. Unless he made a huge leap, I find it hard to imagine him seeing any more minutes this season. He'd be great to have in practice and I loved having a guy who developed over four years. He put up good numbers in his first game at Stanford so maybe he's expanded his game, or maybe he just never got to show it here, but on the court I don't miss him at all.
 
Those guards are each high end, switchable defenders on a Duke team that is going to wreck teams with its defense. We don't need them to pile up assists when the ball is going to be largely in the hands of basketball IQ savants Cooper Flagg and Kon Kneuppel on offense.
Especially when the entire team now looks like it knows how to pass the ball.
 
Especially when the entire team now looks like it knows how to pass the ball.
This ^. The ball is not sticking this year, and our offense has so much more upside because of it. I don't see a single person we lost that doesn't have a superior replacement, especially considering fit and the vision of how this team will play.
 
It seems clear that Jon does not want to run a traditional system with a single "pure" point guard, but instead prefers multiple versatile ball handlers. And even if he did want a pure point guard, Roach was never seen as that player in his four years here. So had he stayed he would have just been in the mix with Foster and Proctor as all being combo guards, plus as you said Flagg and Kon would be initiating a lot of the offense too.
Oh gosh, I don't see it that way at all.

I think he wants a single point guard and that is why we keep hearing that Caleb is the point guard.

I think Tyrese did not deliver as the point guard last season, but Jon still likes him as a tall defender, a veteran, and a shooter, so this season Caleb gets his shot.
 
For the record, there's no undercurrent of regret or schadenfreude intended when I started this thread or previous threads like it. My motivation has been pretty consistent: there's a big, beautiful world of college basketball out there, and those who only follow Duke are experiencing a small fraction of it. And while no one can watch the nearly 730 Division I teams, an occasional monitoring of the Brotherhood and Sisterhood makes for an easy point of entry.

Short of having more than 20 players on a roster -- which California does, by the way -- Duke can't retain everybody, and I've adjusted to the new reality every season. I can miss players who departed, be excited for the newcomers, and chew gum at the same time.

I know it's early in the season, but if I had to nitpick, I would say this team seems to miss Jaylen Blakes right now more than anyone else. I understand that there were academic and playing time opportunities at Stanford, and the move is probably great for him, but I can't help but be a little selfish while noticing a Blakes-shaped hole in our reserve backcourt.
Do you think Blakes would be playing over Sion? I don't. Sion seems like a perfect experienced, strong-bodied defensive guard off the bench.
 
For the record, there's no undercurrent of regret or schadenfreude intended when I started this thread or previous threads like it. My motivation has been pretty consistent: there's a big, beautiful world of college basketball out there, and those who only follow Duke are experiencing a small fraction of it. And while no one can watch the nearly 730 Division I teams, an occasional monitoring of the Brotherhood and Sisterhood makes for an easy point of entry.

Short of having more than 20 players on a roster -- which California does, by the way -- Duke can't retain everybody, and I've adjusted to the new reality every season. I can miss players who departed, be excited for the newcomers, and chew gum at the same time.

I know it's early in the season, but if I had to nitpick, I would say this team seems to miss Jaylen Blakes right now more than anyone else. I understand that there were academic and playing time opportunities at Stanford, and the move is probably great for him, but I can't help but be a little selfish while noticing a Blakes-shaped hole in our reserve backcourt.

The roster has an open scholarship (even when you include Cameron Sheffield), and if Coach Scheyer were trying to optimize the Cooper Flagg season for title purposes, bringing in a 4th guard for the rotation might have been beneficial. Granted, it's a tough sell in the transfer portal; I know he expressed an interest in UC Irvine's Derin Saran (now at Stanford with Jaylen Blakes) and Colgate's Braeden Smith (now redshirting at Gonzaga).
I’m not following you on this one.
 
If Roach had stayed then we likely don't get Sion from the portal. Same with Mitchell/Brown. If Stewart had stayed then maybe we still get Brown or Gillis, but probably not both.

But if we're playing the hypotheticals game just for fun (and we're willing to deprive Spencer Hubbard of his well-deserved scholarship) then I would say Roach and Mitchell are the only ones who would see the floor. Maybe Schutt is ahead of Harris for the 10th or 11th man in the rotation, but in terms of regular rotation minutes I think you honestly have a couple logjams with both of those guys.
Why would we need Mitchell? He was basically unplayable starting from the Wake Forest game in Winston.
 
Do you think Blakes would be playing over Sion? I don't. Sion seems like a perfect experienced, strong-bodied defensive guard off the bench.

I agree about Sion James, but when Duke was building a roster in the offseason, there was room to bring in both Sion and a 4th guard, preferably a Blakes-like specialist. (Sheffield is more of a wing.)

This is a matter of planning, and not about playing time. The team will probably be fine in the backcourt, ultimately, but there was the luxury of an scholarship opening that the coaches did not use.

I’m not following you on this one.

That’s fine.

New ACC member California lists 22 players on its basketball team: Cal Roster

I’m writing a preview for Duke’s game against Army, and their roster has 24 players! I would suggest three platoons of 8 players, but I’m not a fan of applying military jargon to sports.
 
Do you think Blakes would be playing over Sion? I don't. Sion seems like a perfect experienced, strong-bodied defensive guard off the bench.
I haven't watched enough 2024-25 Blakes to comment definitively on who's better (has anyone? he's only played a game), but I take brevity to mean that Duke only has 3 guards on the roster, and having a 4th with Jaylen's experience and ability would be at the very least a nice security blanket.
 
I agree about Sion James, but when Duke was building a roster in the offseason, there was room to bring in both Sion and a 4th guard, preferably a Blakes-like specialist. (Sheffield is more of a wing.)

This is a matter of planning, and not about playing time. The team will probably be fine in the backcourt, ultimately, but there was the luxury of an scholarship opening that the coaches did not use.




That’s fine.



I’m writing a preview for Duke’s game against Army, and their roster has 24 players! I would suggest three platoons of 8 players, but I’m not a fan of applying military jargon to sports.
Seems pretty clear that Jon views both Cooper and Kon as guards, at least on offense.
 
Yup, hard to argue with any of Jon's roster moves this past offseason. Stewart was the only transfer I was really bummed about, and I still believe his ceiling is high, but it seems clear that Maliq is a far more polished and impactful player right now.
I watched Stewart in high school and was underwhelmed. He had no offensive game and didn’t understand positioning. He simply used his size and athleticism to outplay lesser talent. He is mostly potential at this point.
 
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