Fair question. Foster and Evans have different roles and skill sets, of course. While he has room for improvement, I feel better with Foster’s ball handling, bringing up the ball, and initiating offense - things I haven’t seen Evans do yet. With Notre Dame’s ball pressure, it may not have been a great setting for Evans to perform well at those tasks.
MBB: Duke 86, Notre Dame 78 Postgame Thread
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g111m1c
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My point is that your initial post essentially said “what does Kon do besides make shots?”
That seems like a more apt description of the limit of Evans’ contributions. When he’s making buckets, that’s awesome, but he hasn’t been able to contribute anything else yet in his career. Lately, no buckets, either.
g111m1c
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And the horrid call against Gillis.
g111m1c
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Yeah, that would be fine, I guess.Serious answer. Yes. And undefeated in the ACCT and NCAAT. That is what I want.
That one made me laugh at it's absurdity.
The stat that Bilas quoted which made me go 'wow' was about how Maliq has more than twice as many defensive deflections than Coop in about half the minutes, while also noting that Coop is an absolutely amazing defender. Maliq is a defensive savant—let's all think warm and happy thoughts about the health of his knee!
So let's see if I can summarize...
Is there any player more overrated than Kon Knueppel? Been bad from 3 more often than not, not a great individual defender, but people insist he's the 2nd best player on this team both now and in terms of NBA career.
Is there any player more underrated than Kon Knueppel? 13 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, great as the ball handler in pick and roll, but people insist he should be benched for Darren Harris.
As a Braves fan the discourse around K2 reminds me of the way we talk about Brian Snitker. He's either the best ever or the worst ever and there seems to be no in-between allowed. May I submit that Kon is neither as good as his super fans believe, nor as bad as the haters think?
Is there any player more overrated than Kon Knueppel? Been bad from 3 more often than not, not a great individual defender, but people insist he's the 2nd best player on this team both now and in terms of NBA career.
Is there any player more underrated than Kon Knueppel? 13 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, great as the ball handler in pick and roll, but people insist he should be benched for Darren Harris.
As a Braves fan the discourse around K2 reminds me of the way we talk about Brian Snitker. He's either the best ever or the worst ever and there seems to be no in-between allowed. May I submit that Kon is neither as good as his super fans believe, nor as bad as the haters think?
all we've got is scheyer saying he's "concerned." No more than that.
Sion James has been a home run as a transfer for the backcourt wouldn’t you say ? I would.
Not just hindsight, though. Several of us complained (constructively criticized) in the in-game thread that ND couldn’t win shooting mostly 2s. Essentially we were muttering, constructively, “!##!%#!, don’t leave the shooters!!”
In the presser, Scheyer said, “We probably over-helped on some of ‘em” [drives],” which perhaps supports Dr. M’s point that generally he wants our D to intimidate drivers, but that since ND’s shooters were hot, either our guys were too little aware of the danger, or he himself should have changed D tactics in the last 6-8 minutes.
BandAlum83
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I feel like that last five minutes the team just basically let up, like it was garbage time with the starters still in.
At that time out, there was a general sense that the game was over. Even on social media, there was talk about Coach Jon pulling Cooper before he could hit 40 points.
The last minute, when it became apparent that the game wasn’t over, the focus and intensity came back.
Kudos to ND for never giving up. I hope they find the formula to turn these close canes into wins and make the tourney. Winning is a learned behavior.
Just my take.
As measured by Hollinger's Game Score, Flagg's performance yesterday was the third best in the ACC since the 2004-05 season: https://stathead.com/tiny/GNMWh
As measured by box plus/minus, Flagg's performance yesterday was the 5th best in the ACC since the 2004-05 season for any player with 30+ minutes of playing time: https://stathead.com/tiny/GMzlD
Only 1 ACC player has ever scored more points in a game with a higher true shooting percentage since the 2004-05 season: https://stathead.com/tiny/9BTKp
As measured by Hollinger's Game Score, Flagg's performance yesterday was the second best in the NCAA so far this season: https://stathead.com/tiny/9i1sU
As measured by box plus/minus, Flagg's performance yesterday was the best in the NCAA so far this season for any player with more than 32 minutes of playing time: https://stathead.com/tiny/8e6qj
As measured by box plus/minus, Flagg's performance yesterday was the 5th best in the ACC since the 2004-05 season for any player with 30+ minutes of playing time: https://stathead.com/tiny/GMzlD
Only 1 ACC player has ever scored more points in a game with a higher true shooting percentage since the 2004-05 season: https://stathead.com/tiny/9BTKp
As measured by Hollinger's Game Score, Flagg's performance yesterday was the second best in the NCAA so far this season: https://stathead.com/tiny/9i1sU
As measured by box plus/minus, Flagg's performance yesterday was the best in the NCAA so far this season for any player with more than 32 minutes of playing time: https://stathead.com/tiny/8e6qj
brevity
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Of course, he's been excellent. But that's still a 3-man backcourt for the entire (scholarship) roster, with an unused open scholarship.
Cameron Sheffield is a 6-6 wing; maybe Coach Scheyer saw him as a 4th big guard, but that has yet to happen.
ETA: Darren Harris is also a 6-6 wing. Maybe Scheyer figured he had his bases covered with Harris, Evans, Knueppel, and Flagg pitching in for the backcourt as needed.
AOC is an apt comp. My recollection with AOC is that there was usually a pause after he received the ball, as if he was trying to decide between pass, dribble or shoot. Same with Caleb, maybe not as long a pause...
And he pushed Hanstravel down a notch on this list.
KYBlueDevil03
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As others have said, it's so frustrating to watch Duke games with Bilas on the call. He feels anti-Duke in an apparent effort to not be a homer. The discussion around the double technical was particularly bad from both Shulman and Bilas; DS on Markus Burton "He didn't do anything." Um, he slapped a dead ball out of Cooper's hands, instigating the whole thing. I need to find an alternate audio feed.
doctorhook
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That was not my original post.
My first post was whether Kon deserves 34 minutes.
My next response was what does Kon do besides make shots. I assumed that would be interpreted as it was meant, apparently not. My point was to ask for an explanation for what does Kon do to deserve almost three times as many minutes as Evans. It does not show in the stats. Evans has better stats as a shooter than Kon I realize sometimes stats do not reflect intangibles.
I went on to say that Kon is an excellent player and is more skilled than Evans.
I have no idea why some think I am dogging Kon whose game I like a lot. I am concerned that Evans is not getting the time he needs when he may be important in March.
g111m1c
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I agree that the team in March will benefit if Evans can earn more minutes before then.
g111m1c
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I saw 6+ seconds pass on the clock while he was in the lane
Yes, I hear everybody loud and clear that the 3-sec violation call is rarely called anymore, but I’m not sure we can complain when it’s called and our player was clearly guilty of the violation.
In today’s podcast, Jason Evans says that ManMan was in the lane “maybe in the lane for 3 seconds” and that it was a “very fast 3 seconds” when he was called for the violation. Simply not true.
Fish80
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Why wasn’t a technical called on the ball slap? That should be a technical.