MarkD83
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Maybe they are following DBR chat to also get advice
MBB: Duke 83, Cuse 54 Post-game Thread
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camion
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Wait, you didn't know??Maybe they are following DBR chat to also get advice
AGDukesky
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Mark my words, King definitely was Macon him cry!Maybe a tie between Maliq and Billy "Sky" King. Didn't Billy make that Temple guard cry?
GoDuke!
grad_devil
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Don't forget about Shelden Williams, either. He was pretty darn good.
Sorry; I couldn't resist.
ClemmonsDevil
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Agree that Billy was the best wing defender, although Amaker was fantastic too. And I think the case can clearly be made that Battier and Grant ware the best overall defenders. But I stand by my assertion that Brown is the best post defender I have ever seen.
MarkD83
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The substitution patterns did look similar to what I read on chat…..hummmmmWait, you didn't know??
I would put Maliq in the top 4 of this group and would rank them by category as follows, with the caveat that there is a lot of subjectivity and shades of gray involved:
1 on 1 - Billy, Grant, Maliq, Shane
Off the ball / help - Shane, Grant, Maliq, Billy
Versatility / switchability - Grant, Maliq, Shane, Billy
Post - Maliq, Shane, Grant, Billy
Perimeter - Billy, Grant, Maliq, Shane
Phredd3
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Lively needs at least a mention somewhere in here. I've never seen a center shut down guards the way Dereck Lively II did in a Duke uniform. Ridiculous defender. Totally different from Maliq, but just as amazing in his own way.
Fair assessment. Billy happy you didn't add FT shooting.
TheDevilMadeMeDoIt
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Why limit to free throw shooting. He couldn’t shoot at all but still elevated the team with his elite defense. Wasn’t it Grant who locked up Purdue’s great player, whose name escapes me?
toughbuff1
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Glenn Robinson?
UrinalCake
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I wonder if playing Brown minutes at the 4 was due to
- wanting to get him more minutes and needing to find a creative way to do so now that Ngongba has proven himself capable of minutes
- Syracuse's roster having multiple post-bound big men
- Gillis being unavailable
- wanting to get Brown more playing time against his former team
Maybe a combination of all of the above. It looked like his teammates were looking to get him more involved in the offense, and this won't work against every opponent but is nice to have another option available.
- wanting to get him more minutes and needing to find a creative way to do so now that Ngongba has proven himself capable of minutes
- Syracuse's roster having multiple post-bound big men
- Gillis being unavailable
- wanting to get Brown more playing time against his former team
Maybe a combination of all of the above. It looked like his teammates were looking to get him more involved in the offense, and this won't work against every opponent but is nice to have another option available.
FosterCoachK82
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Got to make it look good.
BandAlum83
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I can totally understand recency bias as I get older. I "know King and Barrier et. al. were great defenders, and I can remember it as fact, but I can't remember the specifics. It makes it so easy for me to say that Maria's disruption on D is other worldly and the best I've ever seen. Is that recency bias? Perhaps.
But another memory makes me put Johnny Dawkins on the list. Why? Because when I think of Johnny, I think of the fast break uncontested baskets/dunks after stolen passes or steals. It was the calling card of those teams. So it must have meant Johnny was a great defender, right?
Or was he just finishing what Billy and Tommy started?
ClemmonsDevil
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He and Thomas Hill and Brian Davis were some of the dudes that I loved to watch run through passing Lanes to go just absolutely Crush a dunk. So no, I would agree with you that those guys were great Defenders as well.
SkyBrickey
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Here are Duke's All-ACC defenders going back 25 years:
Dereck Lively
Mark Williams
Wendell Moore
Jordan Goldwire
Tre Jones (2)
Zion Williamson
Matt Jones
Nolan Smith
Lance Thomas
Demarcus Nelson
Josh McRoberts
Shelden Williams (3)
Chris Duhon (2)
Dahntay Jones
Mike Dunleavy
Shane Battier (2)
Chris Carrawell
Tre Jones and Chris Duhon could both really defend on the perimeter.
Could Duke get 3 guys in this year? You could make a case for Brown, Flagg, Proctor and James.
Dereck Lively
Mark Williams
Wendell Moore
Jordan Goldwire
Tre Jones (2)
Zion Williamson
Matt Jones
Nolan Smith
Lance Thomas
Demarcus Nelson
Josh McRoberts
Shelden Williams (3)
Chris Duhon (2)
Dahntay Jones
Mike Dunleavy
Shane Battier (2)
Chris Carrawell
Tre Jones and Chris Duhon could both really defend on the perimeter.
Could Duke get 3 guys in this year? You could make a case for Brown, Flagg, Proctor and James.
I remember thinking in the moment that this would be the top play. But then the play be Man Man/Slim happened. I don't think I reassessed my priors since the game was long done by that play but hooboy....
Dr. Maturin
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Wow. I'm running out of superlatives for this team. Let's make sure we appreciate this special season.
We were good, not great, with Maliq out. Our defense lost a bit of its disruptiveness. Now that he's back, we're forcing turnovers again. And the offense has been humming these last two games. It helps when the 3s are falling, but our passing has been top notch as well.
We were good, not great, with Maliq out. Our defense lost a bit of its disruptiveness. Now that he's back, we're forcing turnovers again. And the offense has been humming these last two games. It helps when the 3s are falling, but our passing has been top notch as well.
SlapTheFloor
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I was surprised to see the "2" next to Battier before I realized the 25 year cutoff. He was the *national* defensive player of the year three times.
SkyBrickey
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Khaman fuels the offense as a lob threat on the PNR at the rim. Maliq fuels the offense with great screens and quarterbacking from the top of the key with the ball. He and Sion seem to have a mind meld on those back door cuts.
It's got to be really tough for opposing coaches to prepare their teams for these very different big man skill sets.