MBB: Duke 72, KU 75 Post-game Thread

[SkyBrickey]

We weren’t blocking out, IIRC.


Harris would drive baseline from the right side and regularly find a shooter behind the three point line on the left wing. I recall (perhaps inaccurately) two of those converting for 3pt, including at least one of them by Mayo. When I saw it happening for the third time, I just looked away from the screen and put my face in my hands and shook my head.

We’re both correct, probably, but just calling out different plays that they were able to repeatedly run on us.


I hope that both the spin moves and the long two pt attempts are removed from his game. Possessions are too valuable to spend them on such low pct plays.

Thanks gill. I typed Adams, but I meant Harris.

Yeah, I've got to believe Cooper is figuring it out. He could get away with those spin moves at Montverde but not at Duke. He and Kon both need to get comfortable with kicking out for a 3 or a reset.

Foster and Proctor are a mystery right now driving the ball. Proctor had a couple of really bad first half turnovers trying to drive. And Foster only seems to have one move - straight to the rim for a layup - sometimes it works but often it doesn't.

 

[bshrader]

I thought the most egregious miss was the failure to allow our shooter to land on the 3 at the end of the half. Right in front of the ref. Obvious and one for a four point play was missed. Agree as an experienced ref ?

Yea, as a official we're trained to protect the shooter all the way back down to the floor. Missed call there.

 

[tommy]

My concerns so far in order:

1) We have a PG problem….thats to say we don’t really have one. We don’t have anyone that is initiating offense, can break down a defense, make passes and make everyone collapse. It’s going to be continual tough sledding against good competition without reliable PG play. I’m not sure this problem can be fixed, we just don’t have that guy on the roster.

2) Our Offense…..It’s continually bad when we have to play in the half court. It’s been this way for three years under Scheyer. To little movement, not enough passing, and the entire thing runs east to west. Nothing frontwards the basket and collapses a defense…..all this dribble hand off stuff going east-west-east is infuriating to watch.

Scheyer has not shown an ability to adapt the offensive philosophy in now year three and it’s a huge concern.

3) Caleb Foster…He’s been terrible so far…I get it he’s rehabbing all summer and trying to adjust and get back into the swing of things. Why then is he playing so many minutes or even starting? The Duke team up to this point is miles ahead when he’s off the floor vs on it…..everyone can see it…So why does Scheyer keep going with him? His job is to coach and make the tough decisions….sitting Caleb is one of those. He should be on the bench a lot more than he’s on the floor.

4) The below is extremely concerning…

Duke basketball over the last year:

UNC - Loss
NC State - Win
UNC - Loss
NC State - Loss
NC State - Loss
Kentucky - Loss
Kansas - Loss

It looks like Scheyer can’t get these guys over the hump continually. I’m not ready to throw him out yet but it does remind me of culture erosion that has happened with other bigtime sports teams and coaches.

Often when one Hall of Famer who held guys accountable and was extremely disciplined retires or leaves….someone that offers a bit more freedom and flexibility steps in.

At first it’s usually positive because the discipline and habits are still in place and the extra freedom allows them to thrive. However it’s short lived because discipline and accountability are slowly eroding to a point you can’t win against teams and coaches that have it….

Jimmy Johnson - Barry Switzer - Cowboys
Bill Cowher - Mike Tomlin - Steelers

They come to mind off the top of my head…..I’m becoming afraid Scheyer is going to fall into that same category.

I don’t disagree with your points but Mike Tomlin has a slightly higher winning percentage in regular season games than did Bill Cowher and they each won one Super Bowl. There has been no dropoff to Tomlin.

 

[tommy]

I hate to say this but we are in the same position as Kentucky found themselves in with Cal. Great recruiter but a weak x and o’s coach who will not make game adjustments. It is so disappointing to watch his offense as we dribble way too much and do not set screens. He has yet to design an inbounds play underneath the goal. Great coaches will burn you everytime. He needs help on the bench as we have a very weak group sitting by his side. Other than recruiting they contribute very little.

And you know that how exactly ?

 

[Saratoga2]

In the Seattle pregame string, I mentioned Patrick Ngongba as a possible help on the boards. To date, I have found no discussion on this string about his possibilities.

 

[weezie]

...as a official we're trained to protect the shooter all the way back down to the floor...

Whenever you feel like commenting on any calls, I'd sure love to read what you think about it and why you see it any particular way. I need to understand what I'm missing. Seriously, I'm not trying to make a joke.

 

[gaap]

Whenever you feel like commenting on any calls, I'd sure love to read what you think about it and why you see it any particular way. I need to understand what I'm missing. Seriously, I'm not trying to make a joke.

Ditto. It's great seeing posts that are informative.

 

[Bull City Proud]

Terrible take. You were the one arguing about a year ago that we'd be better off with Hubert or Dan Hurley as our coach. Pretty sure you just enjoy showing up and sowing chaos after losses. Hurley just coached his team right out of the top 25 - guess he can't handle game pressure either, huh?

A bad over the back call cost UConn the game vs Memphis . Hurley can handle the pressure. Every basketball expert for college basketball praises Hurley for his incredible offense . Coz I m right doesn’t mean you are wrong. Duke won’t win a title without a true point guard and running a stagnant offense with two freshmen vs Elite teams like Kansas. Plus the game plan vs Duke is to play physical defense and likely will win. Your reference to the Celtics offense isn’t applicable to Duke team . NBA much different game with different rules.

 

[SkyBrickey]

A bad over the back call cost UConn the game vs Memphis . Hurley can handle the pressure. Every basketball expert for college basketball praises Hurley for his incredible offense . Coz I m right doesn’t mean you are wrong. Duke won’t win a title without a true point guard and running a stagnant offense with two freshmen vs Elite teams like Kansas. Plus the game plan vs Duke is to play physical defense and likely will win. Your reference to the Celtics offense isn’t applicable to Duke team . NBA much different game with different rules.

Hurley is clearly not handling the pressure. He's coached his team right out of the top 25. Since you argued the case on here to replace Jon with him as a superior coach, I just thought it was fair to point this out.

Yes, a lot of people rave about his and Patrick Murray's offense. However, other people say he never won for years at UConn until Donovan Clingan showed up.

I'm not rooting against Hurley - he's part of the extended family. I'm rooting against fans who believe Jon is a lesser coach somehow.

 

[Bull City Proud]

I love Coach Scheyer ,but he has to adjust like all good coaches do. Let’s go Duke

 

[SkyBrickey]

I love Coach Scheyer ,but he has to adjust like all good coaches do. Let’s go Duke

He makes adjustments all the time.

 

[North van Morgan]

And you know that how exactly ?

Their in game scouting has failed to identify set plays by opposing teams. Countless times. In game adjustments. Time outs that do not produce set plays. Iso ball. Lucas is the recruiter. Great hire. The rest are legacy hires. I believe Jon will be a great coach. Right now good. But Coach K surrounded himself with some great assistants when he was young.Outside of Bobby Knight knowledge . Mike Brey for one. Think he was a high school coach.

 

[MChambers]

Their in game scouting has failed to identify set plays by opposing teams. Countless times. In game adjustments. Time outs that do not produce set plays. Iso ball. Lucas is the recruiter. Great hire. The rest are legacy hires. I believe Jon will be a great coach. Right now good. But Coach K surrounded himself with some great assistants when he was young.Outside of Bobby Knight knowledge . Mike Brey for one. Think he was a high school coach.

So you think Lucas is only a recruiter? And what about Dildy?

 

[North van Morgan]

Their in game scouting has failed to identify set plays by opposing teams. Countless times. In game adjustments. Time outs that do not produce set plays. Iso ball. Lucas is the recruiter. Great hire. The rest are legacy hires. I believe Jon will be a great coach. Right now good. But Coach K surrounded himself with some great assistants when he was young.Outside of Bobby Knight knowledge . Mike Brey for one. Think he was a high school coac

So you think Lucas is only a recruiter? And what about Dildy?

Good point.

 

[SkyBrickey]

Their in game scouting has failed to identify set plays by opposing teams. Countless times. In game adjustments. Time outs that do not produce set plays. Iso ball. Lucas is the recruiter. Great hire. The rest are legacy hires. I believe Jon will be a great coach. Right now good. But Coach K surrounded himself with some great assistants when he was young.Outside of Bobby Knight knowledge . Mike Brey for one. Think he was a high school coach.

Just a terrible take. Our scouting report fails to identify other teams' plays? What are you even talking about? We have the #1 defense in the country and are starting three freshmen! That is outrageously good. And BTW, Jon gives Jai Lucas a lot of responsibility and credit for our defense.

Legacy hires? Jon broke the mold on only hiring former Duke guys allowing him to go out and get the very best people - new blood like Lucas, Dildy, and Rachel Baker. We have a great staff. No idea why you are lobbing grenades.

 

[North van Morgan]

Just a terrible take. Our scouting report fails to identify other teams' plays? What are you even talking about? We have the #1 defense in the country and are starting three freshmen! That is outrageously good. And BTW, Jon gives Jai Lucas a lot of responsibility and credit for our defense.

Legacy hires? Jon broke the mold on only hiring former Duke guys allowing him to go out and get the very best people - new blood like Lucas, Dildy, and Rachel Baker. We have a great staff. No idea why you are lobbing grenades

 

[North van Morgan]

Terrible take? . Watch tonight. Off a time out the Seattle coach will score off his play call. A play they ran 100 times. That's scouting .Letting them run the same pick and roll is scouting. Scouting is knowing the other game preferences. As for hires I already said Lucas was great. Baker knows Nil. Defense from Lucas was a problem last year.I already said Jon is a good coach. I guess being a bully online is your role. I will now leave this website.

 

[North van Morgan]

Terrible take? . Watch tonight. Off a time out the Seattle coach will score off his play call. A play they ran 100 times. That's scouting .Letting them run the same pick and roll is scouting. Scouting is knowing the other game preferences. As for hires I already said Lucas was great. Baker knows Nil. Defense from Lucas was a problem last year.I already said Jon is a good coach. I guess being a bully online is your role. I will now leave this website.

By the way Self knew what play Duke.was calling in the last 2 minutes.

 

[SkyBrickey]

Terrible take? . Watch tonight. Off a time out the Seattle coach will score off his play call. A play they ran 100 times. That's scouting .Letting them run the same pick and roll is scouting. Scouting is knowing the other game preferences. As for hires I already said Lucas was great. Baker knows Nil. Defense from Lucas was a problem last year.I already said Jon is a good coach. I guess being a bully online is your role. I will now leave this website.

If someone is on here criticizing our coaching staff and nitpicking our poor defense, then I think it's fair to call that a terrible take and point out that we have the #1 defense in the country.

Here's how you led off your post:

"Their in game scouting has failed to identify set plays by opposing teams. Countless times. In game adjustments. Time outs that do not produce set plays. Iso ball"

If you're going to show up with that level of withering takedown, you need to be prepared for a critical response.

 

[SkyBrickey]

By the way Self knew what play Duke.was calling in the last 2 minutes.

So what? Anyone who knows basketball knew that we were going back to the Kon/Cooper two-man game because it had just produced 3 straight scores.

If Jon had run a different set and we missed a shot, every armchair coach in the country would have screamed, "why did he go away from what's working?"