Lance is committed to Duke
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OZZIE4DUKE
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I agree that minutes will be tight...
even without McRoberts and Patterson. I have no idea whether McRoberts is returning or not and likewise I have no idea where Patterson is going. Even without those two, Duke will have 11 scholarship players next year compared to nine this year. I just cannot fathom T. King riding the bench for two years and only playing 10 a game as a Junior. I would expect him to see 5 - 10 minutes as a Freshman, 10 - 15 as a Sophomore, and 20+ as a Junior & Senior. But, I'm just guessing
. I'll limit my guessing to next year:
PG - Paulus (35), Smith (5)
SG - Scheyer (25), Pocius (5)
WG - Nelson (25), Henderson (25)
SF - Singler (25), King (10), McClure (15)
PF - Zoubek (15), Thomas (15)
Because of the mix of different line-ups, each position doesn't have to add up to 40 minutes, but of course the total cannot exceed 200. I see the big losers for minutes next year as McClure & Pocius. McClure isn't going to play if he doesn't learn to score and Pocius has bad Mojo or something. He can score but he doesn't play this year and with the incoming talent he won't play next year either. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to play or anything like that, I just do not see him getting major minutes next year. But then again, what do I know?
With the extended bench, I don't expect anyone other than Paulus to average over 30 minutes a game. Therefore, Nelson and Scheyer's minutes will decrease to the mid 20s.
Bob Green
Yokosuka, Japan
even without McRoberts and Patterson. I have no idea whether McRoberts is returning or not and likewise I have no idea where Patterson is going. Even without those two, Duke will have 11 scholarship players next year compared to nine this year. I just cannot fathom T. King riding the bench for two years and only playing 10 a game as a Junior. I would expect him to see 5 - 10 minutes as a Freshman, 10 - 15 as a Sophomore, and 20+ as a Junior & Senior. But, I'm just guessing
. I'll limit my guessing to next year:PG - Paulus (35), Smith (5)
SG - Scheyer (25), Pocius (5)
WG - Nelson (25), Henderson (25)
SF - Singler (25), King (10), McClure (15)
PF - Zoubek (15), Thomas (15)
Because of the mix of different line-ups, each position doesn't have to add up to 40 minutes, but of course the total cannot exceed 200. I see the big losers for minutes next year as McClure & Pocius. McClure isn't going to play if he doesn't learn to score and Pocius has bad Mojo or something. He can score but he doesn't play this year and with the incoming talent he won't play next year either. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to play or anything like that, I just do not see him getting major minutes next year. But then again, what do I know?
With the extended bench, I don't expect anyone other than Paulus to average over 30 minutes a game. Therefore, Nelson and Scheyer's minutes will decrease to the mid 20s.
Bob Green
Yokosuka, Japan
mgtr
Member
I have been critical of LT this season, for failing to meet my expectation of what he could bring to the table. Nothing would please me more than for him to make a contribution in the NCAAs and then become a great player over the next three years. Someone posted that a summer in the weight room would help, and that may be right. It may also be a lack of confidence. Look how GH's talent has bloomed during the season as his confidence in making moves has increased. I am optimistic.
Forget the minutes. There won't be enough ball for Lance to produce like Thornton. Though if there was enough ball, I fully believe Lance can.
shadycharacter
New member
troublemaker, why take a totally unnecessary cheap shot at watzone on this? All he suggested was that when you refer to "people in the know" we all on here want to see one or more links. We ask all the time for links. Otherwise, whoever says it can be just starting idle rumors or trolling. Watzone doesn't need me to defend his post, but I would like to say I thought he made a reasonable request.
1997/98 No one averaged 30 mpg
In 1997/98 season not one player averaged 30 minutes per game. In 1996/97season Wojo was the only player to average 30 or more mpg. The real evidence that destroys the popular myth that Coach K refuses to develop his bench and play a deep rotation is the five seasons 87/88 through 91/92. Over these five seasons, Duke went to five straight final fours and won two national championships.
87/88: 8 players averaged double digit minutes (Ferry, Strickland, Brickey, Snyder, Smith, Henderson, King, Koubek). Only Danny Ferry (32.5) averaged above 30 mpg.
88/89: 8 players averaged double digit minutes (Ferry, Henderson, Brickey, Laettner, Abdelnaby, Snyder, Smith, Koubek). Ferry (33.2) & Snyder (30.4) averaged more than 30 mpg.
89/90: 9 players averaged double digit minutes (Henderson, Laettner, Abdelnaby, Brickey, Hurley, McCaffrey, Davis, Koubek, T. Hill). Hurley (33.4) & Henderson (31.5) averaged more than 30 mpg.
90/91: 9 players averaged double digit minutes (Laettner, McCaffrey, T. Hill, Hurley, G. Hill, Davis, Koubek, Lang, Palmer). Hurley (34.7) & Laettner (30.2) averaged more than 30 mpg.
91/92: 7 players averaged double digit minutes (Laettner, T. Hill, G. Hill, Hurley, Davis, Lang, Parks). Five players averaged more than 30 mpg (Laettner, T. Hill, G. Hill, Hurley, Davis). Billy McCaffrey & Crawford Palmer transferred.
With the talent we will have available next year, I am confident Coach K will spread the minutes around like he has done in the past.
Bob Green
Yokosuka, Japan
In 1997/98 season not one player averaged 30 minutes per game. In 1996/97season Wojo was the only player to average 30 or more mpg. The real evidence that destroys the popular myth that Coach K refuses to develop his bench and play a deep rotation is the five seasons 87/88 through 91/92. Over these five seasons, Duke went to five straight final fours and won two national championships.
87/88: 8 players averaged double digit minutes (Ferry, Strickland, Brickey, Snyder, Smith, Henderson, King, Koubek). Only Danny Ferry (32.5) averaged above 30 mpg.
88/89: 8 players averaged double digit minutes (Ferry, Henderson, Brickey, Laettner, Abdelnaby, Snyder, Smith, Koubek). Ferry (33.2) & Snyder (30.4) averaged more than 30 mpg.
89/90: 9 players averaged double digit minutes (Henderson, Laettner, Abdelnaby, Brickey, Hurley, McCaffrey, Davis, Koubek, T. Hill). Hurley (33.4) & Henderson (31.5) averaged more than 30 mpg.
90/91: 9 players averaged double digit minutes (Laettner, McCaffrey, T. Hill, Hurley, G. Hill, Davis, Koubek, Lang, Palmer). Hurley (34.7) & Laettner (30.2) averaged more than 30 mpg.
91/92: 7 players averaged double digit minutes (Laettner, T. Hill, G. Hill, Hurley, Davis, Lang, Parks). Five players averaged more than 30 mpg (Laettner, T. Hill, G. Hill, Hurley, Davis). Billy McCaffrey & Crawford Palmer transferred.
With the talent we will have available next year, I am confident Coach K will spread the minutes around like he has done in the past.
Bob Green
Yokosuka, Japan
Has anyone heard........
anything about Marty returning oversees to play next year and not coming back to Duke. A friend was telling me he read that on the internet yesterday and I didn't know if there was any truth to it. The sad thing is, bc I like Marty, I really don't see him getting any more minutes next year. He might actually get less with all the recruits coming in. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him leave. Anybody got the scoop on this
anything about Marty returning oversees to play next year and not coming back to Duke. A friend was telling me he read that on the internet yesterday and I didn't know if there was any truth to it. The sad thing is, bc I like Marty, I really don't see him getting any more minutes next year. He might actually get less with all the recruits coming in. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him leave. Anybody got the scoop on this
shady, you obviously haven't been around long. Hinting at rumors regarding Duke basketball without substantiation and without links is Watzone's MO* (and please note that I'm not passing judgement on this fact), which is why I'm even more confused at his taking issue with Troublemaker's comments.
*actually, this isn't completely true. He'll substantiate them somewhat if you subscribe to his paid newsletter. But he rarely substantiate or links here at DBR.
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whereinthehellami
Member
Lineups
The earlier posts with possible lineups for this year got me thinking about how I did with my projected lineups for this year.
My pre-season starting lineup for this year was:
Paulus 6-1 So
Nelson 6-3 Jr
Henderson 6-5 Fr
Thomas 6-7 Fr
Mcroberts 6-10 So
I guess I was attracted to the nice mix of size that was in that lineup. Mcclure was definately a nice suprise, if only he can develop more offense/confidence. I should have known that starting two freshman wasn't likley to happen.
As far as next year goes (just for fun) with minutes (way too premature). Starters are in bold.
Paulus 32 min
Nelson 31 min
Smith 10 min
Scheyer 33 min
MCclure 15 min
King 8 min
Henderson 26 min
Thomas 9 min
Singler 30 min
Zoubek 6 min
I think Smith will see some time as he has good defense, decent ball handling, and an okay outside shot. I think Henderson should develop alot more confidence over the summer and the game will slow down for him even more than it has over the end of this year.
I think our size is gonna really be a problem next year, unless we get Patterson. Even then Duke is going to be succeptible to the big man isolation plays that are so painful to watch.
I do think that Duke will be a much more potent offense of team next year and will be able to outpace most opponents, especially with more depth and speed. I look for Paulus to show up a little faster next year and to make a Wojo type adjustment in terms of improvement and defense over the summer and fall.
The earlier posts with possible lineups for this year got me thinking about how I did with my projected lineups for this year.
My pre-season starting lineup for this year was:
Paulus 6-1 So
Nelson 6-3 Jr
Henderson 6-5 Fr
Thomas 6-7 Fr
Mcroberts 6-10 So
I guess I was attracted to the nice mix of size that was in that lineup. Mcclure was definately a nice suprise, if only he can develop more offense/confidence. I should have known that starting two freshman wasn't likley to happen.
As far as next year goes (just for fun) with minutes (way too premature). Starters are in bold.
Paulus 32 min
Nelson 31 min
Smith 10 min
Scheyer 33 min
MCclure 15 min
King 8 min
Henderson 26 min
Thomas 9 min
Singler 30 min
Zoubek 6 min
I think Smith will see some time as he has good defense, decent ball handling, and an okay outside shot. I think Henderson should develop alot more confidence over the summer and the game will slow down for him even more than it has over the end of this year.
I think our size is gonna really be a problem next year, unless we get Patterson. Even then Duke is going to be succeptible to the big man isolation plays that are so painful to watch.
I do think that Duke will be a much more potent offense of team next year and will be able to outpace most opponents, especially with more depth and speed. I look for Paulus to show up a little faster next year and to make a Wojo type adjustment in terms of improvement and defense over the summer and fall.
watzone
On Holiday
MO
Oh please. Is this where I say you were in the top ten ignored posters at the former DBR?
My MO? Do we have to go there? Doesn't matter that's as far as I will go with that, but I will try to clarify why I posted.
If I had posted what troublemaker had said you would have thought a bomb went off. He is talking of some pretty sensitive issues concerning Duke basketball. Perhaps the information trickled off the premium section of my site ... perhaps there is some news that is different of late? What ifs and cryptic messages ... go figure.
Regardless, people know who I am making me accountable for my statements, specualtion and passing on of facts. They know where to go if they desire to read more. I have more than proven my sources are accurate over the years, actually having broken DeMarcus Nelsons surprise signing with Duke during the Bob Gibbons tournament right here at DBR! That was when I first started to fiddle about in the world of AAU basketball.
If I had come in and said I heard differently than troublemaker, you might have recquired a link. So, is there a double standard? I do offer a base for the information, that being the premium section of my site.
Indeed there are some issues I deem too sensitive in nature for free boards and that is why I rarely discuss them here. That is out of repsect to sources, subscribers and Duke University itself.
Some people have a problem with my claims, but I have done the leg work, established a network of sources, etc. My work doesn't make me a better Duke fan than others, but perhaps a more informed one at times.
I have seen Patrick Patterson play in 5 venues ... about 17 full AAU and HS games. I have interviewed him extensively and watched the process closely, updating the chase for his services weekly.
I can say that anybody claiming to know where he is leaning or where he might go needs to prove it with something other than what was said ... especially, again with how sensitive the McRobert's issue can be.
I pretty much know what every subscription site is saying, be it UF or West Virginia on the Patterson chase and none that I have seen or heard of claim there is a lean. In fact, they are all guessing, be it well known people in the business like Dave Telep or others. PP has played the entire process close to the vest. There is Clark Francis ... who claims PP has been in the bag for Kentucky since summer ... really?
As for roster speculation .... it is fun, but I personally think it is better served after the dust has cleared. What good is it to disect next years team with this one still playing? All that work goes for naught if there is a change.
I have no problem with troublemaker doing that ... fans love to do that, but to me it is like spending hours on the brackets before they are announced ... all that energy is wasted as soon as the real brackets are out. I see the roster specualtion the same way, but that is just me.
Other than the aforementioned, how about we start with what is said with the new DBR. It is far too early for anyone to bring petty annoyances of the past up. It is much better for all of us to start anew. Again, just my opi.
As for McRobert's, TM is talking of a situation that may well go the way he says, but in the world of who is coming back and coming in, things change daily.
Patrick Patterson is like an up and down stock. I can tell all Blue Devils that his camp recently told me that he would trim the list of six schools to three at the end of this month and that Duke would likely make the cut. I was also told that his decision would be made just after April the tenth. That statement was prefaced with, you never know though. And that is the point, most of us never know for sure because recruiting and player retention is an inexact science.
Finally, I wasn't attacking a Duke fan, troublemaker. I was asking of more detail since I can't hold a person with a posting name accountable for such authoratative sounding comments, all of which may or may not be true.
The latest link on Patterson and a look at the fact that all the new Devils coming in played for top 15 HS teams in HS in in the vast free section of the Blue Devil Nation - The BDN Newsletter (which costs) isn't for everybody.
http://myblogdevils.eponym.com/blog
Oh please. Is this where I say you were in the top ten ignored posters at the former DBR?
My MO? Do we have to go there? Doesn't matter that's as far as I will go with that, but I will try to clarify why I posted.
If I had posted what troublemaker had said you would have thought a bomb went off. He is talking of some pretty sensitive issues concerning Duke basketball. Perhaps the information trickled off the premium section of my site ... perhaps there is some news that is different of late? What ifs and cryptic messages ... go figure.
Regardless, people know who I am making me accountable for my statements, specualtion and passing on of facts. They know where to go if they desire to read more. I have more than proven my sources are accurate over the years, actually having broken DeMarcus Nelsons surprise signing with Duke during the Bob Gibbons tournament right here at DBR! That was when I first started to fiddle about in the world of AAU basketball.
If I had come in and said I heard differently than troublemaker, you might have recquired a link. So, is there a double standard? I do offer a base for the information, that being the premium section of my site.
Indeed there are some issues I deem too sensitive in nature for free boards and that is why I rarely discuss them here. That is out of repsect to sources, subscribers and Duke University itself.
Some people have a problem with my claims, but I have done the leg work, established a network of sources, etc. My work doesn't make me a better Duke fan than others, but perhaps a more informed one at times.
I have seen Patrick Patterson play in 5 venues ... about 17 full AAU and HS games. I have interviewed him extensively and watched the process closely, updating the chase for his services weekly.
I can say that anybody claiming to know where he is leaning or where he might go needs to prove it with something other than what was said ... especially, again with how sensitive the McRobert's issue can be.
I pretty much know what every subscription site is saying, be it UF or West Virginia on the Patterson chase and none that I have seen or heard of claim there is a lean. In fact, they are all guessing, be it well known people in the business like Dave Telep or others. PP has played the entire process close to the vest. There is Clark Francis ... who claims PP has been in the bag for Kentucky since summer ... really?
As for roster speculation .... it is fun, but I personally think it is better served after the dust has cleared. What good is it to disect next years team with this one still playing? All that work goes for naught if there is a change.
I have no problem with troublemaker doing that ... fans love to do that, but to me it is like spending hours on the brackets before they are announced ... all that energy is wasted as soon as the real brackets are out. I see the roster specualtion the same way, but that is just me.
Other than the aforementioned, how about we start with what is said with the new DBR. It is far too early for anyone to bring petty annoyances of the past up. It is much better for all of us to start anew. Again, just my opi.
As for McRobert's, TM is talking of a situation that may well go the way he says, but in the world of who is coming back and coming in, things change daily.
Patrick Patterson is like an up and down stock. I can tell all Blue Devils that his camp recently told me that he would trim the list of six schools to three at the end of this month and that Duke would likely make the cut. I was also told that his decision would be made just after April the tenth. That statement was prefaced with, you never know though. And that is the point, most of us never know for sure because recruiting and player retention is an inexact science.
Finally, I wasn't attacking a Duke fan, troublemaker. I was asking of more detail since I can't hold a person with a posting name accountable for such authoratative sounding comments, all of which may or may not be true.
The latest link on Patterson and a look at the fact that all the new Devils coming in played for top 15 HS teams in HS in in the vast free section of the Blue Devil Nation - The BDN Newsletter (which costs) isn't for everybody.
http://myblogdevils.eponym.com/blog
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I think everyone deserves a second chance. I've tried really hard to become a different poster, just as Jumbo has. In fact, he's been an example to me. (cue cheesy sitcom music).
No, actually, I wouldn't have. I understand and accept the fact that if people want to substantiate your claims, they know where to go, which is why i brought up your premium newsletter. I have no problem with you doing this, as I said before. I just wanted to point out that you have, in the past, also been cryptic about your sources and your information. So I don't understand the need for calling out Troublemaker for doing the same thing.
That's fine, but you should understand that not everyone subscribes to your standards.
Agreed. I think you do a great job. I just can't justify the cost of your premium content to my wife. Otherwise, believe me, I'd sign up.
I firmly disagree. People have the right to claim to know whatever they want as long as it falls within the bounds of decency. If someone hears a rumor, they hear a rumor, they repeat a rumor. It may not be true, but it doesn't make someone a bad fan or reckless or anything else. Casually commenting about rumors isn't a crime, and I don't believe in the end it causes any sort of damage. Someone going around and spreading false rumors all over the internet is a problem, but I seriously doubt that's what TM was trying to accomplish.
Either way, you can't be the rumor police, watzone. I admire you for wanting to be, but it just ain't gonna work.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I hope you would give as much credence to others' desires to talk about these things.
Sounds good to me. Although it seems awfully convenient to make this request after calling me out for being on the Top 10 most banned posters list on the "old" DBR.
watzone
On Holiday
Come on feldspar ... who called who out? I just gave a little back to you. You know ... if you can dish it, you can take it. Oh, and it wasn't the most banned poster list ... I have no inside knowledge of that It was the most ignored list I was talking of.
If I wanted to be the rumor or thought police I would be a mod. Jumbo? He has built a reputation. While we have had our differences, I appreciate his basketball knowledge, especially his understanding of the way Duke Hoops works. This had nothing to do with him, I simply thought your statements were a bit pithy in nature.
I can only hope that people equate my comments on DBB as being accurate. I offer my track up as proof of what accuracy means to me. As for allowing others their fun ... I have no problem with that, but I will ask when people talk of major issues that they keep it based on something substantial.
Everybody loves to look at the future ... one of the most influentual Duke fans I know does this daily. I admit to doing the same thing in my head, but I realize that posting as if Josh and PP are a lost cause isn't my style. Again, while this could happen, it is far from a settled issue.
Oh, and TM is short for troublemaker. Lastly, I think my posting style has been much more cordial in the past year or better. If I was seen as questioning anything other than TM's assertions, you were looking for something that simply wasn't there.
It was the most ignored list I was talking of.If I wanted to be the rumor or thought police I would be a mod. Jumbo? He has built a reputation. While we have had our differences, I appreciate his basketball knowledge, especially his understanding of the way Duke Hoops works. This had nothing to do with him, I simply thought your statements were a bit pithy in nature.
I can only hope that people equate my comments on DBB as being accurate. I offer my track up as proof of what accuracy means to me. As for allowing others their fun ... I have no problem with that, but I will ask when people talk of major issues that they keep it based on something substantial.
Everybody loves to look at the future ... one of the most influentual Duke fans I know does this daily. I admit to doing the same thing in my head, but I realize that posting as if Josh and PP are a lost cause isn't my style. Again, while this could happen, it is far from a settled issue.
Oh, and TM is short for troublemaker. Lastly, I think my posting style has been much more cordial in the past year or better. If I was seen as questioning anything other than TM's assertions, you were looking for something that simply wasn't there.
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duketaylor
Member
Watzone
Hadn't seen you around much. Hope you're well.
And Mr Bob Green, I thoroughly expect Nolan Smith to play at least 20 minutes/game next year. Not sure if you've seen him play, I have twice, dude is good. I think he may replace one of the current starters, FWIW.
Hadn't seen you around much. Hope you're well.
And Mr Bob Green, I thoroughly expect Nolan Smith to play at least 20 minutes/game next year. Not sure if you've seen him play, I have twice, dude is good. I think he may replace one of the current starters, FWIW.
Which starter? I cant see him replacing Demarcus(Defense!!!) or Paulus(Our floor leader and Shooter).. I think if anything changes it Henderson starting for Scheyer.
Troublemaker
On Holiday
Thanks, feldspar.
watzone, I understand now that you weren't trying to patronize me. That's what I thought at first and I apologize if I was in any way rude to you. However, my one throwaway sentence about "people in the know" to Ozzie should not be in any way interpreted as me trying to be "authoritative" on the matter, nor should any events that transpire be interpreted as things "going the way I say" or not "going the way I say." I say nothing on the matter, and I don't claim to be an authority. I was just explaining to Ozzie that I'm not the only person predicting that roster for next season and joking with him that everyone is a pessimist compared to him. I'm not trying to be an authority at all. Like you and every other Duke fan, I do hope 1 or 2 more players are present on the real '08 roster than on my projected '08 roster.
watzone, I understand now that you weren't trying to patronize me. That's what I thought at first and I apologize if I was in any way rude to you. However, my one throwaway sentence about "people in the know" to Ozzie should not be in any way interpreted as me trying to be "authoritative" on the matter, nor should any events that transpire be interpreted as things "going the way I say" or not "going the way I say." I say nothing on the matter, and I don't claim to be an authority. I was just explaining to Ozzie that I'm not the only person predicting that roster for next season and joking with him that everyone is a pessimist compared to him. I'm not trying to be an authority at all. Like you and every other Duke fan, I do hope 1 or 2 more players are present on the real '08 roster than on my projected '08 roster.