FB: Duke 14, Georgia Tech 24

RoseBowl1942 said:
Honestly the worst part about college football is the feeling of the first loss of the year. Even if it’s in a situation where we are just outmatched talent wise (which for the record, we were not in this game), it’s always just a brutal feeling. The feeling is just 2-3x worse when you know you had a chance to win the game and you don’t. And that’s what we had tonight

Completely did not execute when we got in the red zone. At least 3 drives in without points to show. Back luck and poor plays also burned us (offensive PI to push out of FG range, turfmonster on 4-1, roughing the passer, missed FG, etc.)

Honestly the game changes entirely for me on the Star turfmonster fourth down. That just felt like it was not our night

The way our offense is playing, GT probably is the better team. Idk if I can honestly tell myself that if we play another 10x that we win this more than lose. But with how this particular game unfolded, I think we could have easily won. Which makes it hurt

I do view this season as a success if we can beat FSU. I just want the streak to end. That’s now my goal
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Yes, let's end The Streak vs the Noles this season!
 
Honestly I had wondered for the longest time how we were able to land Maalik. Highly recruited out of HS, one of the best QBs in the portal, clearly getting paid Texas money. Him coming to a team with a new coach in transition made me think he has to be getting paid, but was still a headscratcher

Now I suspect we have our answer. I’m betting Maalik or his people made it abundantly clear, he is not going to be a running QB. Period. Full stop. His complete unwillingness to run makes me think this is the answer. That, coupled with the fact he won’t step up to take hits in the pocket, makes me think that this is how we landed him over others. There might not have actually been many others. His game is not well suited for the college level

And agree with the comment above. He’s not accurate enough to win as a pocket passer only
 
RoseBowl1942 said:
Now I suspect we have our answer. I’m betting Maalik or his people made it abundantly clear, he is not going to be a running QB. Period. Full stop. His complete unwillingness to run makes me think this is the answer. That, coupled with the fact he won’t step up to take hits in the pocket, makes me think that this is how we landed him over others.
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I seriously doubt your take. If he has any pro aspirations whatsoever, he would have to realize that some sort of mobility is a necessity for a QB at that level. Maybe he prefers not to run ... but I have to believe he realizes that sometimes he would have to run.
 
75Crazie said:
I seriously doubt your take. If he has any pro aspirations whatsoever, he would have to realize that some sort of mobility is a necessity for a QB at that level. Maybe he prefers not to run ... but I have to believe he realizes that sometimes he would have to run.
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That and I never trust statements followed by, “full stop.” Especially when an additional “period” after the actual period was probably enough ;) . To be honest the whole QB must run don’t run thing — is tiresome — there are many coaches who preach the value of passing or throwing away over running. Which can reduce injuries too. And this team is 5-1. I’m sure the QB is doing exactly what his coach wants of him.
 
75Crazie said:
I seriously doubt your take. If he has any pro aspirations whatsoever, he would have to realize that some sort of mobility is a necessity for a QB at that level. Maybe he prefers not to run ... but I have to believe he realizes that sometimes he would have to run.
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There’s a huge difference between expectations of QBs running the ball in college vs the pros. In the pros, traditional pocket passing QBs rarely ever run (and especially not on designed plays). In college, almost every QB has a minimum of a few design run plays to keep the defense honest.

It is far from a stretch (and I think, likely the case) that Maalik’s team doesn't want him to run in college to risk injury when the expectation is at the next level, he wouldn’t need to run. It’s not a bad strategy to minimize injury if you’re looking out for #1, but it comes at the expense of not doing everything you can to help your team win now in college

This is my opinion on the matter. Only the coaches and Maalik know the real story as to why he’s not running. Remember, there was not a single designed run play last night. None.
 
azzefkram said:
Provide one. A coach's primary job is to win games, and the easiest way to win games is to play your best players. Will a big NIL deal give a player a longer runway? I would think so.
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I said there are reasons to "maybe" doubt it, so the burden of proof is not on me. That said, we can 'maybe doubt it' because of promises made with the NIL cash. We can "maybe" doubt it because in pro ball, and that' what this is now, in case anyone forgot.... teams commit to playing their highest paid player over others far beyond the normal window of lack of production. We see it all the time in the NFL....and other pro leagues, like this one.

So I have provided at least two.
 
Mike Petrik said:
The Star run was 4th and 1, and it took a bad luck stumble to nix the conversion -- the hole was there. The earlier nullified reception by Moore was 4th and 3. I hear you on take the points but disagree. The 4th and 3 was more aggressive than I would have been though.
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While it was 4th and 1 on paper, in reality it was 4th and 6, because we insist on running everything out of the shotgun. That's maddening to me in those situations.
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
I said there are reasons to "maybe" doubt it, so the burden of proof is not on me. That said, we can 'maybe doubt it' because of promises made with the NIL cash. We can "maybe" doubt it because in pro ball, and that' what this is now, in case anyone forgot.... teams commit to playing their highest paid player over others far beyond the normal window of lack of production. We see it all the time in the NFL....and other pro leagues, like this one.

So I have provided at least two.
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We will have to agree to disagree. Those are not reasons. Aside from being paid, what promises are made with NIL cash? As for what is happening in other leagues, we have no idea as to why the highly compensated player with poor production is still playing. An equally plausible explanation could be that the backup is even worse.
 
RoseBowl1942 said:
There’s a huge difference between expectations of QBs running the ball in college vs the pros. In the pros, traditional pocket passing QBs rarely ever run (and especially not on designed plays). In college, almost every QB has a minimum of a few design run plays to keep the defense honest.

It is far from a stretch (and I think, likely the case) that Maalik’s team doesn't want him to run in college to risk injury when the expectation is at the next level, he wouldn’t need to run. It’s not a bad strategy to minimize injury if you’re looking out for #1, but it comes at the expense of not doing everything you can to help your team win now in college

This is my opinion on the matter. Only the coaches and Maalik know the real story as to why he’s not running. Remember, there was not a single designed run play last night. None.
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I’m not sure Matt Ryan ever had a designed run in the NFL (maybe even at BC), not counting sneaks. But he certainly had many opportunistic runs ending in slides for gains, even first downs. MM never. Ever. That is just odd.
 
Bob Green said:
We need to be more productive on 1st down. Manny Diaz commented the offense couldn’t establish rhythm and I believe lack of 1st down production, whether due to Xs & Os or execution, is the culprit.

Both touchdowns were on medium passes over the middle with huge yards after catch. Those were not predictable and easy to defend plays.

Maalik Murphy needs a lot of development. His immobility is an liability.
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Our lack of 1st down productivity is due to our predictability.

Yes, the quick slants over the middle. They don't always work but they are difficult to defend. They put extra pressure on corners and linebackers. And Murphy's fast [jet-like!] passes can be helpful, if our receivers can catch them.

Another poster mentioned that too many of Murphy's passes are too hard. But, also true that his long Hail Mary's are often too high and soft, and become anybody's ball.
 
75Crazie said:
I seriously doubt your take. If he has any pro aspirations whatsoever, he would have to realize that some sort of mobility is a necessity for a QB at that level. Maybe he prefers not to run ... but I have to believe he realizes that sometimes he would have to run.
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I would believe the same thing. But then why do you think that he never runs?
 
hustleplays said:
Another poster mentioned that too many of Murphy's passes are too hard. But, also true that his long Hail Mary's are often too high and soft, and become anybody's ball.
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At least two of Murphy's long passes were underthrown. I wonder if it is a) general lack of touch, b) mechanics or c) not yet synched up with his receivers? Is he going through the progressions and making good reads? I wonder if Coach Cutcliffe could have helped him with some of the fundamentals. Is this who he is or can he improve over time? I can't say if there has been any improvement through his first 6 games.
 
AZLA said:
That and I never trust statements followed by, “full stop.” Especially when an additional “period” after the actual period was probably enough ;) . To be honest the whole QB must run don’t run thing — is tiresome — there are many coaches who preach the value of passing or throwing away over running. Which can reduce injuries too. And this team is 5-1. I’m sure the QB is doing exactly what his coach wants of him.
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Name a QB other than MM that never runs, ever. Even the famously immobile Matt Ryan ran for gains and first downs when the opportunities presented, and I doubt he ever had a designed run in his career. Call the concerns "tiresome" all you want, but MM's aversion to running is extreme, odd, and defense-inspiring.
 
Bob Green said:
We need to be more productive on 1st down. Manny Diaz commented the offense couldn’t establish rhythm and I believe lack of 1st down production, whether due to Xs & Os or execution, is the culprit.

Both touchdowns were on medium passes over the middle with huge yards after catch. Those were not predictable and easy to defend plays.

Maalik Murphy needs a lot of development. His immobility is an liability.
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Matt Ryan was "immobile," but he nonetheless ran for many sliding first downs, even if never by design. MM's aversion seems to be more than just immobility.
 
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azzefkram said:
We will have to agree to disagree. Those are not reasons. Aside from being paid, what promises are made with NIL cash? As for what is happening in other leagues, we have no idea as to why the highly compensated player with poor production is still playing. An equally plausible explanation could be that the backup is even worse.
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Um you kinda made my case for me. They are indeed "potential" reasons. Sorry we can't ask for potential reasons then filter them thru the burden of proof. That it's happening at other schools also makes my case, not yours. Never said Duke and Manny were unique here. Quite the opposite.
 
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