Conference Realignment

The membership of this hypothetical association would still be institutions of higher education, and they would have to collectively decide to what extent the association's revenue must be ploughed back into the association or will instead be distributed among the members to be used as they believe most appropriate. It might well be that such an association would expose a true dividing line between those universities that care only about football and those that care about their other sports too. I think we can easily guess where many of the institutions will come out, but I think many would find the question to be a bit of a moment of truth.
A moment of truth indeed. If your in for a penny, your in for $23 million, If this take is credible. So, if I understand this correctly, Duke would need commit to paying a minimum $23 million/yr in player salaries for the next 10years? And it doesn’t sound like the point is to fund non-revenue sports.


“To save money, the likes of Ohio State are already planning not to offer scholarships at the lower end of their sports that don't produce revenue. “
 
A moment of truth indeed. If your in for a penny, your in for $23 million, If this take is credible. So, if I understand this correctly, Duke would need commit to paying a minimum $23 million/yr in player salaries for the next 10years? And it doesn’t sound like the point is to fund non-revenue sports.


“To save money, the likes of Ohio State are already planning not to offer scholarships at the lower end of their sports that don't produce revenue. “
That's not the floor. It's the ceiling. Duke will have the OPTION of directly spending up to 22% of its athletic revenue on player "salaries".

The article does suggest that the biggest programs will spend this and more, with the more continuing to come from boosters.

Ohio State has said they are already making plans to cut non-rev scholarships. I mean kudos to them I guess for being honest about putting football above everything else. I wonder if they'll try to start moving academic grants over to their football salaries next...
 
As a rather passionate fan of college sports, it pains me to say that the University of Chicago was perhaps right. At the very least the Ivies might have settled on the best compromise. Sigh.
As college sports spin, at an accelerating rate, away from the University mission, it’s Duke University’s responsibility to lead.

There is an Ivy- Patriot hybrid that’s easy to define among universities. Frankly, Duke and Virginia need to be the private- public leads in creating this entity.

This is a better long term strategy than wedging into the Big Ten.
 
As a rather passionate fan of college sports, it pains me to say that the University of Chicago was perhaps right. At the very least the Ivies might have settled on the best compromise. Sigh.
It's usually about this part of the conversation where I mention that if Duke went the Ivy route, I would still watch just as faithfully as I do now. And then almost immediately someone else tells me that I'm wrong.

I'm not wrong. But I'm almost certainly in the minority.

It would be quite a pivot, it would leave a LOT of money on the table, and it would be quite a statement. I'd be proud of Duke.

But it ain't happening, so I'm wasting my breath. Or, uh, fingertips.
 
It's usually about this part of the conversation where I mention that if Duke went the Ivy route, I would still watch just as faithfully as I do now. And then almost immediately someone else tells me that I'm wrong.

I'm not wrong. But I'm almost certainly in the minority.

It would be quite a pivot, it would leave a LOT of money on the table, and it would be quite a statement. I'd be proud of Duke.

But it ain't happening, so I'm wasting my breath. Or, uh, fingertips.

I would still be watching, but the athletic budget would be cut in half and we would not be nationally competitive in any sport (although the Ivies do pretty well at lacrosse.)

Duke has chosen to be a major player in college athletics -- but they probably didn't realize what a roller coaster ride it would be.
 
I would still be watching, but the athletic budget would be cut in half and we would not be nationally competitive in any sport (although the Ivies do pretty well at lacrosse.)

Duke has chosen to be a major player in college athletics -- but they probably didn't realize what a roller coaster ride it would be.
Yup. That's neat it won't happen. It's much easier to decide not to pursue a revenue stream than it is to stop pursuing that same stream.
 
Per an e-mail I just got (since I bought season tickets to the UConn women this year, haha), UConn to the Big 12 isn't happening. The athletic director confirmed conversations took place but said that, "Ultimately, the Big 12 determined that it will pause on conversations about membership expansion," whatever the heck that means.

I find it super weird that the athletic director felt it necessary to send out such an e-mail at all based on mere "reports" just to say nothing is actually happening. I think that means either a big portion of the UConn fan (and more likely booster) base were either really for or really against such a move...
 
Per an e-mail I just got (since I bought season tickets to the UConn women this year, haha), UConn to the Big 12 isn't happening. The athletic director confirmed conversations took place but said that, "Ultimately, the Big 12 determined that it will pause on conversations about membership expansion," whatever the heck that means.

I find it super weird that the athletic director felt it necessary to send out such an e-mail at all based on mere "reports" just to say nothing is actually happening. I think that means either a big portion of the UConn fan (and more likely booster) base were either really for or really against such a move...
yeah not shocking. convincing enough schools was always the mountain, even if the commish believes it a strategic investment.
 
Per an e-mail I just got (since I bought season tickets to the UConn women this year, haha), UConn to the Big 12 isn't happening. The athletic director confirmed conversations took place but said that, "Ultimately, the Big 12 determined that it will pause on conversations about membership expansion," whatever the heck that means.

I find it super weird that the athletic director felt it necessary to send out such an e-mail at all based on mere "reports" just to say nothing is actually happening. I think that means either a big portion of the UConn fan (and more likely booster) base were either really for or really against such a move...
It's also very interesting (to me) and surprising that the email acknowledged that the conference hit the brakes, rather than some sort of vague language about being "unable to come to an agreement" or something.
 
Per an e-mail I just got (since I bought season tickets to the UConn women this year, haha), UConn to the Big 12 isn't happening. The athletic director confirmed conversations took place but said that, "Ultimately, the Big 12 determined that it will pause on conversations about membership expansion," whatever the heck that means.

I find it super weird that the athletic director felt it necessary to send out such an e-mail at all based on mere "reports" just to say nothing is actually happening. I think that means either a big portion of the UConn fan (and more likely booster) base were either really for or really against such a move...
when the word came out that they were targeting something along 2031 to begin, you had to know it was a long shot.
 
Yup. That's neat it won't happen. It's much easier to decide not to pursue a revenue stream than it is to stop pursuing that same stream.
We are not many years away from a “system” where the revenue producing athletic team players don’t even attend the universities they represent. There is some kind of royalty or payment to the university for the right to wear their colors, logo and brand.

What does Duke, Stanford, etc. do in that world?
 
We are not many years away from a “system” where the revenue producing athletic team players don’t even attend the universities they represent. There is some kind of royalty or payment to the university for the right to wear their colors, logo and brand.

What does Duke, Stanford, etc. do in that world?
It's been moving that direction for a long time. The term "student athlete' is fast-becoming a misnomer.
 
We are not many years away from a “system” where the revenue producing athletic team players don’t even attend the universities they represent. There is some kind of royalty or payment to the university for the right to wear their colors, logo and brand.

What does Duke, Stanford, etc. do in that world?
yeah, we're pretty much halfway there, hirelings for many if not most schools.
 
It's been moving that direction for a long time. The term "student athlete' is fast-becoming a misnomer.
College football has been creating joke-easy academic pathways for football players since the beginning of college football. It's well documented in the book "The Opening Kickoff," which covers the first few decades of college football, which was in the 1800s. For example, in the early years, sometimes itinerant, non-academically-serious players would appear on two different colleges' teams in the same season.

What has changed is the money got so big that eventually most realized it was grossly unfair not to allow the players to earn more than a scholarship, and the breaking of that dam created the rapid changes we see today.

Academically, the only big change I see is the proliferation of types of majors that didn't exist in the early 80's (my era). I've heard long-standing professors say that even football/hoops players used to (barely) grind through mainstream majors like econ, history, or English, and now they often choose new-fangled ones that (to me) appear to have no real-world usage or to impart important general skills. I'll stop there in describing the majors to avoid getting political.
 
Exactly. The more estranged "athlete becomes from "student" the less interested I am. At some point I'll just watch the pros. At least they have a system designed to allow all members to be competitive.
I’m already there. I was always a college first, pro 2nd fan for football and basketball but I now am more interested in the NFL than college football. Another thing that has changed is I find myself having far less allegiance to the ACC, I’m more just a Duke fan and don’t care much about how the ACC does. Duke basketball still remains at the top of my fan interests, though.
 
College football has been creating joke-easy academic pathways for football players since the beginning of college football. It's well documented in the book "The Opening Kickoff," which covers the first few decades of college football, which was in the 1800s. For example, in the early years, sometimes itinerant, non-academically-serious players would appear on two different colleges' teams in the same season.

What has changed is the money got so big that eventually most realized it was grossly unfair not to allow the players to earn more than a scholarship, and the breaking of that dam created the rapid changes we see today.

Academically, the only big change I see is the proliferation of types of majors that didn't exist in the early 80's (my era). I've heard long-standing professors say that even football/hoops players used to (barely) grind through mainstream majors like econ, history, or English, and now they often choose new-fangled ones that (to me) appear to have no real-world usage or to impart important general skills. I'll stop there in describing the majors to avoid getting political.
What? The death of The Western Canon!
 
I’m already there. I was always a college first, pro 2nd fan for football and basketball but I now am more interested in the NFL than college football. Another thing that has changed is I find myself having far less allegiance to the ACC, I’m more just a Duke fan and don’t care much about how the ACC does. Duke basketball still remains at the top of my fan interests, though.
I hear you and am in the same place but for the fact that my passion for Duke basketball has admittedly waned. I still care of course, but not like I did before the advent of Duke one and dones. To be clear, I don’t at all blame the players for following the money. It’s just that the phenomenon has diminished the concept of student-athlete and my passion is tied to that concept.
 
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