Who Stays, Who Goes

Ball handling might not be great but when you factor in high IQ decision making, great passing, and multiple ball handlers you get a much better picture. Cayden and Caleb are good ball handlers and then Isaiah, Darren, Nik, and Cameron can also bring the ball up when needed.
 
My advice is to spend some time thinking about other things and wait to think about next year’s team when it starts to take shape. Let’s see what Jon and his staff have planned and what comes together.

I'm well aware there's still plenty of time left in the game so to speak. I don't think Jon Scheyer is done. My sadness has more to do with losing 2 of my favorite Duke players who I wasn't ready to lose yet. I love Kon too, but I had already known he was gone before the announcement.

Tyrese has been in our lives for 3 years. I will really miss watching him play in the uniform. This past year was really special.

I guess it's possible Tyrese could still return, but it does seem like he is done.
 
I disagree about the level of next year's team, assuming Evans, Harris, Ngongba and Brown are staying. Evans, Harris, Cameron and Ngongba are going to provide a high level offense. Defense will be a work in progress, but Brown can be a great anchor.

As it currently stands, our offense is set to take a massive step back. The level of shot creation from 3-4 spots on the floor just isn't there. And I think you need that against the better defensive teams out there. We'll also be less switchable defensively than we were this year. Primarily because, while Cam Boozer is a fantastic prospect, he's nowhere near the versatile defender Flagg was. And that versatility and switchability is what made our defense so elite. You just couldn't easily get us into a mismatch situation. And on the other end, it was just really hard to prevent us from getting a desirable offensive matchup.

Obviously there is still time to add to the roster, and of course players could surprise with the degree of improvement they make. But I think a lot of things would have to go surprisingly right between now and next season for the team to be a strong title contender.
 
I'm sad today. I really thought 1 of Tyrese or Coop would be back. Now it's looking more like a team that will be around the same level as the first 2 Scheyer years in terms of ceiling. We'll have a really fun team for sure, but it won't be considered a true title contender IMO. It's probably really annoying to other fan bases when you have a team that good, and you're still sad.

I was good with Cayden as the starting PG if either Coop or Tyrese were back to help ease the playmaking load, but a Cayden/Foster backcourt doesn't really hit the same for me. We'll need Isaiah Evans and/or Darren Harris to really step up their ball handling game.

Unless we somehow land a late transfer that has a huge impact, it looks like a bottom half of top 10 team, maybe top 15 team. There's not many really good guards that appear like a fit for Duke in the portal right now. Definitely still want Coward, but he's a wing, not a guard. Hopefully one will become available.
I get this feeling, but I think come this winter, with the benefit of hindsight, we'll realize a lot of our offseason anxieties were from comparing this upcoming squad to an outlier 2024-25 team rather than teams that are legitimate national title contenders.

As things stand now (which is still a very incomplete picture), I think there are a few specific reasons to be confident that the ceiling for next year's team exceeds those from Jon's first two seasons:
  1. Cam Boozer profiles as a more impactful freshman than anyone we had in those two seasons. Yes, he's not Cooper, but no one is. He may not be Kon, but no one thought Kon would be Kon at this point last season. It seems like Jon is building a roster around Cam as the centerpiece (probably a big reason why we didn't go even harder after Ament), which is more akin to last year's build around Cooper than Jon's first two seasons when he was simply trying to accumulat talent.
  2. Our frontcourt situation is much better off than in Jon's first two seasons, unexpected events notwithstanding. I love Ryan Young, but we all know his limitations. Derrick Lively only became Derrick Lively very late in the year. Kyle was never a true college 5-man. This year we'll likely have a sophomore Pat Ngongba, a senior Maliq Brown, and a guy in Cam who at 6'9'' is well equipped to downshift to the 5 for spurts with a small ball lineup. 95% of college teams would kill for that trio in the front court... and that doesn't even account for the possibility that Khamenia is a surprise bloomer and/or we get another useful body in the portal.
  3. Isaiah Evans has a higher ceiling than any returning player we've had in the Scheyer era. Yes, in Jon's second year we returned more contributors... but that was in part by necessity (an entirely new, freshman-driven team in his first season). If Isaiah was in Jon's first recruiting class I imagine he would've played 25-30 mpg, and we'd be as excited about his return as we were about Kyle's. The difference is that Isaiah has a legitimate lottery-pick ceiling which he could reach this year, which would take us to anther level. I think we were all a bit too optimistic about Kyle's potential for a sophomore leap based on his transition from the 4 to the 5.
  4. If Jon wasn't confident in a Caleb/Cayden combo at the point, we know he'd do something about it. We saw this with Sean/TJ last offseason. So far, one of Jon's greatest strengths has been his ability to self-scout. If he didn't see something in Caleb's game down the stretch that made him confident he could make the changes necessary this offseason to be a real PG, there would be other pieces in motion. Historically we've seen Duke guards make major jumps between their sophomore and junior years, and Caleb could be next in line. That, or Cayden is going to surprise us all and be the third Jones brother. Jon must think those are much more likely scenarios than neither being able to be relied upon at the point this season, and he knows way better than us!
It makes a lot of sense for us to be pessimistic as fans because it's so unlikely that our next squad is as dominant as our last one. But I think there are major reasons to believe we're more likely to be competing for a 1-seed than for a 4-seed this season. Somewhere in the middle is most likely, with the potential for a high ceiling based on Isaiah and Cam's development. I remain cautiously optimistic, with the obvious caveat that any comparison to last year's squad is of course going to be disappointing.
 
Ball handling might not be great but when you factor in high IQ decision making, great passing, and multiple ball handlers you get a much better picture. Cayden and Caleb are good ball handlers and then Isaiah, Darren, Nik, and Cameron can also bring the ball up when needed.

It's not really about "bringing the ball up." We have some guys who can do that, although we'll be less versatile even there. It's about creating offense in the half-court against good defenses.
 
Agree. They needed to add a player that was capable of winning the PG position. Not near enough ball handling here.

G- Foster / Cayden Boozer
G / F - Evans / Harris / Khamenia
F - Boozer / Brown
F- Ngongba


2 impact transfers need to be added; a guard and a wing. We can hope Evans, Harris , Foster improve dramatically. But this Duke team should not be built on hope. It needs proven options with a relatively high floor.
I'm not sure if we need Evans to improve dramatically, so much as we need him to show us all that he can do with expanded opportunity. He did one thing exceptionally well last season - catch and shoot threes - and his role didn't go much beyond that. But he's an RSCI #16 recruit who carved out a role on one of the best KenPom teams of all time. I'd be surprised if we don't see the biggest freshman-to-sophomore leap since Grayson Allen - because of opportunity more than improvement (although I'll hope for much of the latter, too).
 
I will be concerned if this is Duke's roster in August. That said, there is plenty of time for work to be done, and I would be shocked if said work is not going on behind the curtain.
 
As it currently stands, our offense is set to take a massive step back. The level of shot creation from 3-4 spots on the floor just isn't there. And I think you need that against the better defensive teams out there. We'll also be less switchable defensively than we were this year. Primarily because, while Cam Boozer is a fantastic prospect, he's nowhere near the versatile defender Flagg was. And that versatility and switchability is what made our defense so elite. You just couldn't easily get us into a mismatch situation. And on the other end, it was just really hard to prevent us from getting a desirable offensive matchup.

Obviously there is still time to add to the roster, and of course players could surprise with the degree of improvement they make. But I think a lot of things would have to go surprisingly right between now and next season for the team to be a strong title contender.
Here's the thing though: we're historically awful at determining who "strong title contenders" might be at this point! I outlined in another thread how, in a year where the Final Four teams were all historically good, none of them were ranked higher than #4 in the pre-season poll... in fact, the Overall #1 seed Auburn was pre-season #11 and the eventual National Champion Florida was #21. If you expand that even to the Elite 8, while Alabama was pre-season #2, Tennessee was just pre-season #12, and neither Texas Tech nor Michigan State were even ranked.

All Jon can do is put together a roster capable of competing for a national title right now. Historically, a roster with a Top 5 OAD prospect surrounded by solid returning players with high-upside profiles as that... with the likelihood that we'll be adding another major piece in the portal to increase those odds. I think Purdue and Houston are the clear Top 2 right now, but every other Top 10 team in the stupid Way Too Early rankings are relying heavily on a lot of portal pieces coming together, which we know is hit or miss. A lot of those teams would much rather be in our shoes, I think.
 
It's not really about "bringing the ball up." We have some guys who can do that, although we'll be less versatile even there. It's about creating offense in the half-court against good defenses.
I'd say it's that, and about generating some free/easy points on the fast break. I don't feel great about our current personnel in that regard, though maybe Cayden has the tools. Cooper was a one-man fast break.
 
The 25-26 Duke team will not be as strong as the 24-25 Duke team. I dare say that every single Division I team in 25-26 will be worse than 24-25 Duke. Still, I think there is a lot to get excited about. And I don't think Jon is done yet. I expect at least one starting-caliber player and at least one rotation player to join from the portal.
 
I think we might be a better rebounding team and perhaps brawnier with Cam and Pat. Perhaps Jon can finally convince Maliq to look at the basket sometimes and maybe put up 5-7 shots a game. That would be his ticket to the NBA. If so, can Cam play a little at the 3 and play Pat and Brown at the same time? Maliq's 3 point shot is good enough to space the defense with Cam and Pat closer to the basket. Maliq could chase the quick 3s on defense and we could get every defensive rebound.

At least it's an alternative to consider.
 
Cam Boozer profiles as a more impactful freshman than anyone we had in those two seasons. Yes, he's not Cooper, but no one is. He may not be Kon, but no one thought Kon would be Kon at this point last season. It seems like Jon is building a roster around Cam as the centerpiece (probably a big reason why we didn't go even harder after Ament), which is more akin to last year's build around Cooper than Jon's first two seasons when he was simply trying to accumulat talent.

I'd put Boozer as likely to be somewhere between Banchero (who of course predated Scheyer as HC) and freshman Filipowski, but closer to Filipowski than to Banchero. He will be very good. The problem is that I'm not sure we're clearly better elsewhere than that team in 2023 or 2024.


  1. Isaiah Evans has a higher ceiling than any returning player we've had in the Scheyer era. Yes, in Jon's second year we returned more contributors... but that was in part by necessity (an entirely new, freshman-driven team in his first season). If Isaiah was in Jon's first recruiting class I imagine he would've played 25-30 mpg, and we'd be as excited about his return as we were about Kyle's. The difference is that Isaiah has a legitimate lottery-pick ceiling which he could reach this year, which would take us to anther level. I think we were all a bit too optimistic about Kyle's potential for a sophomore leap based on his transition from the 4 to the 5.

I'd say the returning Filipowski had as high or higher a ceiling as the returning Evans. There is still a lot of uncertainty regarding Evans. People I think are falling prey to remembering the incredible highs, but a good chunk of that is that he likely benefited this year by being in such a low-pressure role. He came in, got to run around and hunt 3s, and if he was hitting them, amazing. If not, we just stopped playing him. So we didn't really see the downside of his streakiness, because we never were really reliant on him this year. Next year, when he's a starter, how will we handle the inevitable ~3-15 shooting performance that he's going to have?

Can he become more consistently positive in terms of impact in a much more important role? Maybe. But that's a massive unknown. Especially because he won't get lost by defenders on next year's team, as there's nobody in the perimeter lineup who presents a major concern for the defense like Flagg and Knueppel did.

  1. If Jon wasn't confident in a Caleb/Cayden combo at the point, we know he'd do something about it. We saw this with Sean/TJ last offseason. So far, one of Jon's greatest strengths has been his ability to self-scout. If he didn't see something in Caleb's game down the stretch that made him confident he could make the changes necessary this offseason to be a real PG, there would be other pieces in motion. Historically we've seen Duke guards make major jumps between their sophomore and junior years, and Caleb could be next in line. That, or Cayden is going to surprise us all and be the third Jones brother. Jon must think those are much more likely scenarios than neither being able to be relied upon at the point this season, and he knows way better than us!

First, I'd say we've sometimes seen Duke guards make major jumps between their sophomore and junior years. That hasn't always been the case. And I'd say it's less likely when a guy regresses offensively from freshman to sophomore year. I certainly hope we see a big jump from Foster. But it's a big question mark at the moment, especially as all of his success to date at Duke has been in a wing role rather than a playmaking role.

Second, I'd say we still aren't sure what Scheyer thinks about our PG situation. But we'll get a better idea the rest of the portal season. I'd add, though, that Scheyer thought Foster was the PG going into this year, and clearly that was a misread. Fortunately, Knueppel and James were surprises on the positive side as playmakers, and of course Flagg exceeded expectations.

It makes a lot of sense for us to be pessimistic as fans because it's so unlikely that our next squad is as dominant as our last one. But I think there are major reasons to believe we're more likely to be competing for a 1-seed than for a 4-seed this season. Somewhere in the middle is most likely, with the potential for a high ceiling based on Isaiah and Cam's development. I remain cautiously optimistic, with the obvious caveat that any comparison to last year's squad is of course going to be disappointing.

I don't think this squad as is would be more likely to be competing for a 1 seed than a 4 seed next year. Though I'm hopeful that we'll still be adding another key piece or 2 that could make that true. But I agree that a 2- or 3- seed is the most likely outcome. Which, to kAzE's point, is not a great title contender. It's a team that could certainly surprise and win a title, but it would be a team you'd expect to lose in the Sweet-16 or Elite-8.
 
Unless they limit NIL money, which i don't think they can do for the upcoming season, I think Cooper Flagg could easily receive 15 million in money for this year and I don't think he will make that in the pros for the first year even as number 1 pick. He will unlikely have the endorsement money in the top 3 draft teams. If he gets injured, he will be expected to play through injuries in the pros and play 81 plus games versus 40 games. He will be closer to graduation and may more likely be appreciated by his teammates because he shares the ball and plays exceptional defense. Ask any of the Duke pros, if they had the ability to make equivalent money, would they stay in college.
What if Cooper Flagg had decided to stay in college for one more season and UNC offered to pay him $15,000,000……and he accepted?

If that had happened, I don’t know if I would ever watch another college basketball game for the rest of my life. The pain and anger would just be too intense.
 
Offense won't be as good as next year because of how historically great it was this year but I see a top 10 Kenpom offense, maybe even top 5 offense later in the year. I think it will start off decent and trend towards great at the end of the year. Gonna be a great passing team with guys that know where to be, share the ball, and are highly skilled. Rebounding is gonna be better than last year. All of the guys are going to have good height for passing over most defenses. Cayden, Nik, and Cameron are gona be decent creators. I saw enought potential in Isaiah this year to think that he can do enouh creating to keep defenses honest. And I also think Caleb can get to be an okay creator in limited usage. Less dribbling, more passing...right Caleb?!? Cameron rebounding the ball and outletting for easy buckets will be a thing!

I am more concerned with defense. CJS is gonna have to change up his scheme thoughout next season to keep them in the top 25 of Kenpom defenses. The roster has good size, great defensive IQ, but some athletic limitations that will prevent the defense from switching. Defensive rebounding should be better though.

Where will a top 10 offense and top 25 defense land Duke? How do you factor in the intangibles like the guys being winners. All the Boozers do is win. Nik, Isaiah, Darren, and Pat all had winning pedigrees at the top levels of high school basketball.
 
I'm sad today. I really thought 1 of Tyrese or Coop would be back. Now it's looking more like a team that will be around the same level as the first 2 Scheyer years in terms of ceiling. We'll have a really fun team for sure, but it won't be considered a true title contender IMO. It's probably really annoying to other fan bases when you have a team that good, and you're still sad.

I was good with Cayden as the starting PG if either Coop or Tyrese were back to help ease the playmaking load, but a Cayden/Foster backcourt doesn't really hit the same for me. We'll need Isaiah Evans and/or Darren Harris to really step up their ball handling game.

Unless we somehow land a late transfer that has a huge impact, it looks like a bottom half of top 10 team, maybe top 15 team. There's not many really good guards that appear like a fit for Duke in the portal right now. Definitely still want Coward, but he's a wing, not a guard. Hopefully one will become available.
Yeah, I feel the same way about this year. In another post I wondered if Jon treats this year more as building depth and experience for a legitimate F4 run in 26/27.
 
I'd put Boozer as likely to be somewhere between Banchero (who of course predated Scheyer as HC) and freshman Filipowski, but closer to Filipowski than to Banchero. He will be very good. The problem is that I'm not sure we're clearly better elsewhere than that team in 2023 or 2024.




I'd say the returning Filipowski had as high or higher a ceiling as the returning Evans. There is still a lot of uncertainty regarding Evans. People I think are falling prey to remembering the incredible highs, but a good chunk of that is that he likely benefited this year by being in such a low-pressure role. He came in, got to run around and hunt 3s, and if he was hitting them, amazing. If not, we just stopped playing him. So we didn't really see the downside of his streakiness, because we never were really reliant on him this year. Next year, when he's a starter, how will we handle the inevitable ~3-15 shooting performance that he's going to have?

Can he become more consistently positive in terms of impact in a much more important role? Maybe. But that's a massive unknown. Especially because he won't get lost by defenders on next year's team, as there's nobody in the perimeter lineup who presents a major concern for the defense like Flagg and Knueppel did.



First, I'd say we've sometimes seen Duke guards make major jumps between their sophomore and junior years. That hasn't always been the case. And I'd say it's less likely when a guy regresses offensively from freshman to sophomore year. I certainly hope we see a big jump from Foster. But it's a big question mark at the moment, especially as all of his success to date at Duke has been in a wing role rather than a playmaking role.

Second, I'd say we still aren't sure what Scheyer thinks about our PG situation. But we'll get a better idea the rest of the portal season. I'd add, though, that Scheyer thought Foster was the PG going into this year, and clearly that was a misread. Fortunately, Knueppel and James were surprises on the positive side as playmakers, and of course Flagg exceeded expectations.



I don't think this squad as is would be more likely to be competing for a 1 seed than a 4 seed next year. Though I'm hopeful that we'll still be adding another key piece or 2 that could make that true. But I agree that a 2- or 3- seed is the most likely outcome. Which, to kAzE's point, is not a great title contender. It's a team that could certainly surprise and win a title, but it would be a team you'd expect to lose in the Sweet-16 or Elite-8.

All valid points... fair to say we may just agree to disagree on things at this point, which makes sense since it's April ;)
 
Here's the thing though: we're historically awful at determining who "strong title contenders" might be at this point! I outlined in another thread how, in a year where the Final Four teams were all historically good, none of them were ranked higher than #4 in the pre-season poll... in fact, the Overall #1 seed Auburn was pre-season #11 and the eventual National Champion Florida was #21. If you expand that even to the Elite 8, while Alabama was pre-season #2, Tennessee was just pre-season #12, and neither Texas Tech nor Michigan State were even ranked.

All Jon can do is put together a roster capable of competing for a national title right now. Historically, a roster with a Top 5 OAD prospect surrounded by solid returning players with high-upside profiles as that... with the likelihood that we'll be adding another major piece in the portal to increase those odds. I think Purdue and Houston are the clear Top 2 right now, but every other Top 10 team in the stupid Way Too Early rankings are relying heavily on a lot of portal pieces coming together, which we know is hit or miss. A lot of those teams would much rather be in our shoes, I think.
We are learning more about the team makeup and now Cooper has declared can Khaman be far behind?

We are probably looking at :
Caleb Foster, Cayden Boozer as guards with PG potential
Isian Evans (?) and Darren Harris as G/F
Cameron Boozer, Nicholas Khamenia and Maliq Brown as F
Patrick Ngongba at C

By my understanding we have interest in Andreij Stojakovic G, Cedric Coward F and Sebastion Witkins a possible reclassifying F

That leaves us at best 9,10 or 11 Div 1 players and little real depth at C. Brown has to stay healthy and Cameron has to play away from his preferred position to suppose that depth.

I wonder in Jon has looked at international players to bolster the team?
 
My advice is to spend some time thinking about other things and wait to think about next year’s team when it starts to take shape. Let’s see what Jon and his staff have planned and what comes together.
Here, here. But you are asking for a LITTLE sanity on the Internet. Good luck. The teens rule here, not the adults.
 
We are learning more about the team makeup and now Cooper has declared can Khaman be far behind?

We are probably looking at :
Caleb Foster, Cayden Boozer as guards with PG potential
Isian Evans (?) and Darren Harris as G/F
Cameron Boozer, Nicholas Khamenia and Maliq Brown as F
Patrick Ngongba at C

By my understanding we have interest in Andreij Stojakovic G, Cedric Coward F and Sebastion Witkins a possible reclassifying F

That leaves us at best 9,10 or 11 Div 1 players and little real depth at C. Brown has to stay healthy and Cameron has to play away from his preferred position to suppose that depth.

I wonder in Jon has looked at international players to bolster the team?
And we have 2 extra spots this coming year. (15 up from 13), right? Or is that just a proposed change? I couldn’t easily tell.
 
When it comes to creating offense, one thing people don't appear to be considering is how good our big men are at passing. Maliq Brown's assist percentage last season was 14.8% and Patrick Ngongba's assist pct was 12.6%. (For comparison, Kon Kneuppel's assist% was 15.7% and Tyrese Proctor's was 12.9%, while Khaman Maluach's was just 4.3%.) Cameron Boozer had two seasons in high school in which he topped 4 assists per game. Nik Khamenia averaged 4 apg last season as well. Not many teams have that kind of passing ability out of their bigs.

Also, we shouldn't confuse role with ability. Isaiah Evans's role last year was purely a catch-and-shoot wing. Seemed like he never passed. Darren Harris, too, in his limited minutes. But in high school, both of these guys were big-time shot creators, and both averaged more than 3apg their senior years. If their role at Duke changes (and it probably will), I bet we'll see much more well-rounded games out of those two.

Obviously, it will depend on what kind of offense Coach Scheyer installs next season, but Duke has rarely if ever had an entire roster of guys who all were really good passers like this one. They can all handle the ball, too, at least well enough to break a press.

As for shooting, Evans shot 42% from three last season. Foster shot 40.6% from three as a freshman. Harris had a reputation as an outstanding shooter coming out of high school. Khamenia shot 39% from three in the FIBA U18s (I couldn't find his senior year high school shooting percentages). Cameron Boozer shot 47% from three last season, on almost 4 three-attempts per game. Cayden Boozer doesn't have the reputation of being a shooter, but last season he shot 45% from three (though on just over 2 three-attempts per game). Even Maliq Brown is a lifetime 36% three-point shooter in his college career. We'll see who we get out of the portal, but Cedric Coward is a high-level shooter as well. We should have plenty of outside firepower.

So I'm not at all worried about Duke's offense next season.

Defense should be more of a work in progress, but so far Coach Scheyer has proven to have an effective defensive system. All three of his teams have been ranked in the top 16 for defense (per Pomeroy). The Boozers won't be Cooper Flagg and Tyrese Proctor, but both have good defensive reputations coming out of high school and both Foster and Evans have improved greatly on that end. With defensive savant Maliq Brown as a defensive anchor and the superior height and length we'll display once again next season, my guess is we'll be in the top 16 once again.

Having both a top ten offense and top ten defense is not out of the question. And if that comes to pass (frankly even if we're top 15 at both, which seems likely), we'll certainly be a championship contender.
 
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