Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
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I'm sold! Not sure why the photographer was using a cell phone camera from 1999, but looks great to me! Must be Bigfoot; no other conceivable explanation.
UAP & ET - Do you believe?
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I'm sold! Not sure why the photographer was using a cell phone camera from 1999, but looks great to me! Must be Bigfoot; no other conceivable explanation.
CameronBornAndBred
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I thought the video was exceptionally clear. Sucks he was trapped on a train.
bundabergdevil
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Awesome! I love it!
DevilHorse
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camion
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MChambers
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Loeb
The spherules that Loeb's expedition found on the seafloor aren't alien in origin -- they're man-made pollutants: https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/harvard-astronomer-alien-spherules/
The spherules that Loeb's expedition found on the seafloor aren't alien in origin -- they're man-made pollutants: https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/harvard-astronomer-alien-spherules/
DevilHorse
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Avi Loeb on TV
For those of you who can't get enough of Avi Loeb, Alien Hunter, a talk by him will be on CSPAN3 on Monday morning at 6a.m. Might be worth DVRing to get a sense of this fellow.
Larry
DevilHorse
For those of you who can't get enough of Avi Loeb, Alien Hunter, a talk by him will be on CSPAN3 on Monday morning at 6a.m. Might be worth DVRing to get a sense of this fellow.
Larry
DevilHorse
DevilHorse
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Loeb Interview and Article
An interesting article from Avi Loeb:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/are-uaps-relics-from-an-earlier-civilization-on-earth-86d1190c6539
There are a few interesting aspects to this article. AARO is now a new acronym to track.
https://www.aaro.mil/
I also have the impression that Avi figuratively throws spaghetti (extraterrestrial theories) at the wall to see what sticks (so far none); or perhaps he is predicting a dozen of the next zero (so far) alien/extraterrestrial encounters.
One thing that I found instructive is that there is a big difference between alien (as in sentient life forms) and extraterrestrial (defined as not of this earth, but used sometimes as not of this solar system depending on the context).
Extensive discussion of the Galileo Project, in the CSPAN interview that I mentioned in an earlier post, helped clarify Dr. Loeb's views on things. Oumuamua was surmised to be from outside our solar system; but is it a piece of rock from another place or is it a piece of an alien technology? The Galileo Project has a half dozen pieces of equipment that are intended to search for questionable objects in the sky (different types of listening/passive devices). The equipment seemed puny to me for the task, but I think what he is trying to do is create many sites that have a set of these detectors (i.e., infrared sensors, high resolution optical detectors [telescope?], acoustic monitoring, infrastonic [low frequency] detectors, omnidirectional [all directions] radio detector, a particle counter). I'm not sure how they will analyze this data to accomplish the detection they are intended to do. Many of these detectors seem like smaller, less precise, versions of existing (but focused) equipment that have been in use for years (i.e., spectrometers look at very specific objects in the sky, particle detectors are usually pointed at something).
I appreciated the clarity of being reminded of what SETI is vs. what Loeb is attempting. SETI is limited to listening to deep space signals at many different frequencies, looking for some pattern or a hint of intelligence rather than random 'blips'. The Genesis Project seems more focused on near earth objects and information. The supposition is that objects come to earth from other places, and they could be either extra-solar system rocks or better yet, pieces of sentient alien technology that have arrived here. [someone blew up that Klingon vessel and a piece of their recroom traveled through space to eventually fall to earth
].
Loeb got a grant to search the ocean floor for the remnants of an exploded object [a bolide I presume] (that he was interested in). The hypothesis was to find these, one in a thousand, meteorites (used in the broadest sense of the word), and test it for chemical content relative to earth dirt or known meteorites. Depending on the composition, a suggestion that a rock is 'alien' could be made if the mix of elements in that rock is sufficiently different. The object retrieved from the ocean bottom did have a very different mix of elements suggesting it was extraterrestrial.
You usually don't find these things unless you look. But I think Loeb enjoys titillating interested parties with suggestions of sentient extraterrestrials as the source of some of the interesting objects that make their way to earth's surface.
BTW, there was some discussion about what we should do if an extraterrestrial 'button' were to be discovered. Most people wouldn't push it, but Loeb might after some study. Could this be a trojan button??
Pardon me if these ad hoc impressions don't hang together as a focused post.
Larry
DevilHorse
An interesting article from Avi Loeb:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/are-uaps-relics-from-an-earlier-civilization-on-earth-86d1190c6539
There are a few interesting aspects to this article. AARO is now a new acronym to track.
https://www.aaro.mil/
I also have the impression that Avi figuratively throws spaghetti (extraterrestrial theories) at the wall to see what sticks (so far none); or perhaps he is predicting a dozen of the next zero (so far) alien/extraterrestrial encounters.
One thing that I found instructive is that there is a big difference between alien (as in sentient life forms) and extraterrestrial (defined as not of this earth, but used sometimes as not of this solar system depending on the context).
Extensive discussion of the Galileo Project, in the CSPAN interview that I mentioned in an earlier post, helped clarify Dr. Loeb's views on things. Oumuamua was surmised to be from outside our solar system; but is it a piece of rock from another place or is it a piece of an alien technology? The Galileo Project has a half dozen pieces of equipment that are intended to search for questionable objects in the sky (different types of listening/passive devices). The equipment seemed puny to me for the task, but I think what he is trying to do is create many sites that have a set of these detectors (i.e., infrared sensors, high resolution optical detectors [telescope?], acoustic monitoring, infrastonic [low frequency] detectors, omnidirectional [all directions] radio detector, a particle counter). I'm not sure how they will analyze this data to accomplish the detection they are intended to do. Many of these detectors seem like smaller, less precise, versions of existing (but focused) equipment that have been in use for years (i.e., spectrometers look at very specific objects in the sky, particle detectors are usually pointed at something).
I appreciated the clarity of being reminded of what SETI is vs. what Loeb is attempting. SETI is limited to listening to deep space signals at many different frequencies, looking for some pattern or a hint of intelligence rather than random 'blips'. The Genesis Project seems more focused on near earth objects and information. The supposition is that objects come to earth from other places, and they could be either extra-solar system rocks or better yet, pieces of sentient alien technology that have arrived here. [someone blew up that Klingon vessel and a piece of their recroom traveled through space to eventually fall to earth
].Loeb got a grant to search the ocean floor for the remnants of an exploded object [a bolide I presume] (that he was interested in). The hypothesis was to find these, one in a thousand, meteorites (used in the broadest sense of the word), and test it for chemical content relative to earth dirt or known meteorites. Depending on the composition, a suggestion that a rock is 'alien' could be made if the mix of elements in that rock is sufficiently different. The object retrieved from the ocean bottom did have a very different mix of elements suggesting it was extraterrestrial.
You usually don't find these things unless you look. But I think Loeb enjoys titillating interested parties with suggestions of sentient extraterrestrials as the source of some of the interesting objects that make their way to earth's surface.
BTW, there was some discussion about what we should do if an extraterrestrial 'button' were to be discovered. Most people wouldn't push it, but Loeb might after some study. Could this be a trojan button??
Pardon me if these ad hoc impressions don't hang together as a focused post.
Larry
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DevilHorse
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Places Loeb Won't Go
Apparently there are places (theories) that even Avi Loeb won't go:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/new-physics-or-misinformation-d44b50185ed2
Avi stands up against mis-information about UAPs.
Embedded in the above article is a pointer to the UAP Disclosure Act:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw2opqdKdbroyD0hkXJYGlgs&opi=89978449
The UAP Disclosure Act is discussed here:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4337149-house-lawmakers"-demand-transparency-from-leaders-on-uap-amendments-inclusion-in-defense-bill/
Apparently, this act is a 'law' that says that "The UAP Disclosure Act would require the release of government records on UAP no more than 25 years after their creation unless they are found to be of enough risk to national security that they require further classification."
This is a bipartison act with support from both sides of the aisle in both houses.
So the government has to release any UAP information within 25 years, unless it doesn't want to.
Larry
DevilHorse
Apparently there are places (theories) that even Avi Loeb won't go:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/new-physics-or-misinformation-d44b50185ed2
Avi stands up against mis-information about UAPs.
Embedded in the above article is a pointer to the UAP Disclosure Act:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw2opqdKdbroyD0hkXJYGlgs&opi=89978449
The UAP Disclosure Act is discussed here:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4337149-house-lawmakers"-demand-transparency-from-leaders-on-uap-amendments-inclusion-in-defense-bill/
Apparently, this act is a 'law' that says that "The UAP Disclosure Act would require the release of government records on UAP no more than 25 years after their creation unless they are found to be of enough risk to national security that they require further classification."
This is a bipartison act with support from both sides of the aisle in both houses.
So the government has to release any UAP information within 25 years, unless it doesn't want to.
Larry
DevilHorse
DevilHorse
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Not So Much Fun with Loeb
We have a lot of fun with Avi Loeb in this forum.
As many of you are aware, the President of Harvard (and Penn and Yale) are under fire for their testimony in Congress last week w.r.t. antisemitism on their campuses. Avi Loeb works at Harvard, is a Jew, and is Israeli. Loeb writes the following letter to the President of Harvard after the recent congressional testimony:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-heartfelt-letter-to-harvards-president-claudine-gay-4388d700e787
I (surprisingly) didn't see a forum discussing the events in Israel or on US campuses, but I thought this subject might be relevant since Loeb is familiar to this forum.
Larry
DevilHorse
We have a lot of fun with Avi Loeb in this forum.
As many of you are aware, the President of Harvard (and Penn and Yale) are under fire for their testimony in Congress last week w.r.t. antisemitism on their campuses. Avi Loeb works at Harvard, is a Jew, and is Israeli. Loeb writes the following letter to the President of Harvard after the recent congressional testimony:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-heartfelt-letter-to-harvards-president-claudine-gay-4388d700e787
I (surprisingly) didn't see a forum discussing the events in Israel or on US campuses, but I thought this subject might be relevant since Loeb is familiar to this forum.
Larry
DevilHorse
Phredd3
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There was such a thread, but it was closed down shortly after it was created, given that the exchanges were inherently political, emotionally charged, and the respective parties were immovably entrenched in their views and not interested in reasoned debate. Advance at your own risk.
ClemmonsDevil
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Yeah. Definitely bad idea.
DevilHorse
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MChambers
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NY Magazine article
Interesting article in New York Magazine about UFO/UAP believers. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/leslie-kean-ufo-sightings-aliens.html
Warning -- it is a debunking article, so don't read it if you want to believe.
Interesting article in New York Magazine about UFO/UAP believers. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/leslie-kean-ufo-sightings-aliens.html
Warning -- it is a debunking article, so don't read it if you want to believe.
I second and third that.
whereinthehellami
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SOL Foundation
The SOL Foundation was established on August 15, 2023 to research Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. The new scientific foundation will convene world class scholars and civil service experts to conduct academic studies into the implications of UAP.
The organization will also provide tangible policy recommendations to government leaders based on its cutting-edge research.
The SOL foundation had a two day symposium at Stanford from November 17-18 of 2023 and posted this about the event:
After decades of undeserved marginality, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (“UAP”) are enjoying unprecedented levels of public interest and newfound legitimacy in academia, government, media, and even venture capital. Yet this sudden turnaround is deepening rather than lessening the enigma of the phenomena, revealing not only all the questions about them have gone unanswered but the many more that must now be asked.
Are some of these unidentified aerospace (and undersea) objects technological and nonanthropogenic? How can the natural sciences comprehensively study UAP, and how are the humanities and social sciences uniquely poised to understand the phenomena? Perhaps most importantly, how should the United States, European, and other governments respond to the likely reality of nonanthropogenic UAP as well as the prospect, currently acknowledged in Congressional legislation, that longstanding UAP intelligence and research programs have been concealed under extreme classification? Finally, how might the commercialization of open UAP research contribute to government disclosure and social acceptance of UAP and possible nonhuman intelligences?
The Sol Foundation’s inaugural symposium will address these and other pressing questions by bringing together leading voices on UAP from academia, government, and industry. Much more than an academic conference, this first-of-its-kind meeting will see its participants propose government policies, programs of research and funding, and investment strategies by which institutional, economic, and cultural resources adequate to the magnitude of the phenomena can be marshaled and organized. Sol also intends with this event to elevate public discourse on UAP, demonstrating that intellectual sobriety and mature professionalism can yield new insights into these anomalies par excellence.
Organizers:
Dr. Garry Nolan – Sol Foundation Chairman of the Board, Professor, Department of Pathology, Stanford University School of Medicine
Dr. Peter Skafish – Sol Foundation Director, formerly Collège de France, UC Berkeley, and McGill University
Confirmed Speakers:
Jonathan Berte – AI Entrepreneur and Robovision Chairman
Dr. Eric Davis – Theoretical physicist, The Aerospace Corporation
Dr. Timothy Gaulladet – Rear Admiral, US Navy (Retired) and Former Administrator, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency
Dr. Jairus Victor Grove – Director, Hawai’i Research Center for Future Studies and Chair, Department of Political Science, University of Hawai’i, Mãn’ua
Dr. Avi Loeb – Professor of Astronomy, Harvard University; Director, the Galileo Project
Leslie Kean – Journalist and Author, UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record.
Charles McCullough III – Inspector General of the Intelligence Community under the Obama Administration
Christopher Mellon – Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka – Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina, Wilmington
Dr. Beatriz Villarroez – Director of the VASCO project; Assistant Professor, Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, Sweden
Dr. Jacques Vallée – Computer scientist, venture capitalist, author.
The SOL Foundation was established on August 15, 2023 to research Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. The new scientific foundation will convene world class scholars and civil service experts to conduct academic studies into the implications of UAP.
The organization will also provide tangible policy recommendations to government leaders based on its cutting-edge research.
The SOL foundation had a two day symposium at Stanford from November 17-18 of 2023 and posted this about the event:
After decades of undeserved marginality, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (“UAP”) are enjoying unprecedented levels of public interest and newfound legitimacy in academia, government, media, and even venture capital. Yet this sudden turnaround is deepening rather than lessening the enigma of the phenomena, revealing not only all the questions about them have gone unanswered but the many more that must now be asked.
Are some of these unidentified aerospace (and undersea) objects technological and nonanthropogenic? How can the natural sciences comprehensively study UAP, and how are the humanities and social sciences uniquely poised to understand the phenomena? Perhaps most importantly, how should the United States, European, and other governments respond to the likely reality of nonanthropogenic UAP as well as the prospect, currently acknowledged in Congressional legislation, that longstanding UAP intelligence and research programs have been concealed under extreme classification? Finally, how might the commercialization of open UAP research contribute to government disclosure and social acceptance of UAP and possible nonhuman intelligences?
The Sol Foundation’s inaugural symposium will address these and other pressing questions by bringing together leading voices on UAP from academia, government, and industry. Much more than an academic conference, this first-of-its-kind meeting will see its participants propose government policies, programs of research and funding, and investment strategies by which institutional, economic, and cultural resources adequate to the magnitude of the phenomena can be marshaled and organized. Sol also intends with this event to elevate public discourse on UAP, demonstrating that intellectual sobriety and mature professionalism can yield new insights into these anomalies par excellence.
Organizers:
Dr. Garry Nolan – Sol Foundation Chairman of the Board, Professor, Department of Pathology, Stanford University School of Medicine
Dr. Peter Skafish – Sol Foundation Director, formerly Collège de France, UC Berkeley, and McGill University
Confirmed Speakers:
Jonathan Berte – AI Entrepreneur and Robovision Chairman
Dr. Eric Davis – Theoretical physicist, The Aerospace Corporation
Dr. Timothy Gaulladet – Rear Admiral, US Navy (Retired) and Former Administrator, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency
Dr. Jairus Victor Grove – Director, Hawai’i Research Center for Future Studies and Chair, Department of Political Science, University of Hawai’i, Mãn’ua
Dr. Avi Loeb – Professor of Astronomy, Harvard University; Director, the Galileo Project
Leslie Kean – Journalist and Author, UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record.
Charles McCullough III – Inspector General of the Intelligence Community under the Obama Administration
Christopher Mellon – Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Staff Director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka – Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina, Wilmington
Dr. Beatriz Villarroez – Director of the VASCO project; Assistant Professor, Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, Sweden
Dr. Jacques Vallée – Computer scientist, venture capitalist, author.
whereinthehellami
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Speaking of interesting. Here is a 5-minute video and an op-ed piece of Timothy Gallaudet saying that "we are not alone". Timothy Gallaudet is an American oceanographer who is a retired Rear Admiral in the United States Navy. Gallaudet previously served as the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere within the U.S. Department of Commerce.
From the op-ed piece (08/02/23): "Last week, I had a front-row seat at the hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee’s Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), also known as UFOs. The three witnesses provided extraordinary testimony on their observations of aerial craft with performance characteristics far beyond those of modern aircraft, as well as knowledge of a hidden U.S. government crash retrieval program of such vehicles and their nonhuman operators.
The witnesses were former officers in the U.S. military with stellar service records. Their message to Congress was that we are not alone, we possess technology unlike anything available in the public or private sectors, and the U.S. government has covered up this earth-shattering information for decades."
wavedukefan70s
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https://www.counton2.com/news/local...LKsjpI7QthbWH5uyAcNk-jholkyuDnG-hZB7lk5BFuUpA
I'm not saying it's a alien craft but we have been seeing this for decades.
I'm also of the opinion our government jas craft we wouldn't believe .
Not sure which this is.im sure we aren't alone.
I believe the ocean hides a lot.
I've seen lights under water pass us going
Off shore .I don't believe submarines have headlights .
I personally was ready to call it a day.
4am heading offshore very creepy. So I just sat tight. Funny no one said a word about what we saw .just gave each other a look.
I'm not saying it's a alien craft but we have been seeing this for decades.
I'm also of the opinion our government jas craft we wouldn't believe .
Not sure which this is.im sure we aren't alone.
I believe the ocean hides a lot.
I've seen lights under water pass us going
Off shore .I don't believe submarines have headlights .
I personally was ready to call it a day.
4am heading offshore very creepy. So I just sat tight. Funny no one said a word about what we saw .just gave each other a look.