This Week in the ACC - 11/18-11/24

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Another year, another set of missed opportunities for good non-conference wins, although there were a couple nice pickups over the course of the week (welcome Cal!). Now we dive straight into pre-season exempt tournament season. Let's see what's on tap for the week ahead:

Monday
[62]NC State (-16) hosts [231]Colgate (7:00, ACCN)
[19]Pittsburgh (-30) hosts [340]VMI (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[72]SMU (-24) hosts [346]Prairie View A&M (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)

Tuesday
[143]Boston College (-13) hosts [319]Loyola Maryland (6:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[53]Notre Dame (-16) hosts [244]North Dakota (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[90]Florida State (-8) hosts [133]Hofstra (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[78]Wake Forest (-17) hosts [287]Western Carolina (7:00, ACCN)
[69]Louisville (-21) hosts [331]Bellarmine (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)

Wednesday
[108]Virginia Tech (-8) hosts [188]Jacksonville (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[67]Stanford (-13) hosts [198]Norfolk State (10:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)

Thursday
[47]Miami (-8) vs. [124]Drake in Charleston (12:00, ESPN2/U)
[106]Syracuse (+10) vs. [24]Texas in Brooklyn (7:00, ESPN2)
[45]Clemson (-17) hosts [205]Radford (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[77]Virginia (+11) vs. [6]Tennessee in Nassau (9:30, CBSSN)
[115]California (-14) hosts [306]Air Force (10:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)

Friday
[19]Pittsburgh (-3) vs. [40]LSU in White Sulphur Springs (2:30, CBSSN)
[90]Florida State (-3) vs. [119]Temple in Uncasville (5:00, ESPN+)
[62]NC State (-14) hosts [199]William & Mary (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[69]Louisville (-13) hosts [176]Winthrop (7:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[53]Notre Dame (-17) hosts [259]Elon (7:30, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[72]SMU (+3) hosts [27]Mississippi State (8:30, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[4]Duke (-1) at [16]Arizona (10:30, ESPN2)
[14]North Carolina (-15) at [177]Hawaii (12:30am, ESPN2)
[106]Syracuse vs. [9]Texas Tech/[99]St. Joseph's in Brooklyn (7:00/9:00, ESPNU)
[77]Virginia vs. [13]Baylor/[17]St. John's in Nassau (7:00/9:30, CBSSN)
[47]Miami vs. [80]Florida Atlantic/[92]Oklahoma State in Charleston (11:30/2:00, ESPN2/U)

Saturday
[100]Georgia Tech (+9) hosts [11]Cincinnati (2:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[78]Wake Forest (-21) hosts [343]Detroit Mercy (4:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[67]Stanford (-3) at [120]Santa Clara (10:00, ESPN+)

Sunday
[90]Florida State (-4) vs. [134]Massachusetts in Uncasville (3:30, ESPN2)
[115]California (-14) hosts [313]Sacramento State (4:00, ESPN+/ACCNX)
[143]Boston College (-9) vs. [311]Old Dominion in Cayman (7:30, FloSports)
[19]Pittsburgh vs. [29]Wisconsin/[57]Central Florida in White Sulphur Springs (3:00/5:30, CBSSN)
[47]Miami vs. [35]VCU/[39]Nevada/[88]Vanderbilt/[97]Seton Hall in Charleston (TBD)

ACC v. Non-Conf: 52-12
ACC v. Power 5: 5-9

AAC: 2-0
America East: 2-0
ASUN: 2-1
A-10: 0-1
Big 12: 1-1
Big East: 2-2
Big Sky: 1-0
Big South: 8-0
Big Ten: 2-1
Big West: 4-0
CAA: 3-0
Horizon: 2-0
MAC: 1-0
MEAC: 4-0
MVC: 1-0
MWC: 0-1
NEC: 4-0
OVC: 1-0
Patriot: 3-0
SEC: 0-5
Southern: 3-0
Summit: 1-0
Sun Belt: 1-0
SWAC: 2-0
WAC: 2-0
 
One of the surprising teams in the conference early on has been Pitt and this week with LSU and, hopefully, Wisconsin will be a nice test of just how far they have come. They've gotten a real lift from Houston transfer Damian Dunn and Ishmael Leggett is having an All-ACC kinda senior year. If Jaland Lowe can be a tad more efficient, they could be a legit top 20 team (heck, they might already be).
 
Yes Pitt is interesting. NC State..who knows. State plays some real teams this year though so we'll know something by January.
 
dukewolf said:
Yes Pitt is interesting. NC State..who knows. State plays some real teams this year though so we'll know something by January.
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I think folks sorta forget that State had lost 7 of 9 games entering the ACC tourney last year before finding some kind of miracle pill to launch themselves to one of their greatest seasons in decades. I mean, if Tony Bennett does not forget to foul up 3 with only seconds left on the clock, then Kevin Keats would probably be in the unemployment line today.

I've seen nothing so far from NC State that gives me confidence they will be more than another middle of the pack ACC team that likely plays in the NIT this year.
 
I agree Jason. I think people also forget the reason they did so well at the end of the year is that KK was forced to abandon keats ball for an inside out O designed to let MOC and Burns find open players and the players stopped taking shots the second they got the ball. If MOC had not gotten injured in the purdue game ....

He lost Burns which was a a big loss but also lost our french rebounding machine and that hurt. I can tell he'd like to play small ball again but otherwise ..I don't know. I am also suspicious of KK strategic acumen. Then add the TP onto things and it is very difficult to draw conclusions.

NC State plays Purdue on Thanksgiving and then Texas and Kansas in December. So by January 1 we should know something.
 
dukewolf said:
I agree Jason. I think people also forget the reason they did so well at the end of the year is that KK was forced to abandon keats ball for an inside out O designed to let MOC and Burns find open players and the players stopped taking shots the second they got the ball. If MOC had not gotten injured in the purdue game ....

He lost Burns which was a a big loss but also lost our french rebounding machine and that hurt. I can tell he'd like to play small ball again but otherwise ..I don't know. I am also suspicious of KK strategic acumen. Then add the TP onto things and it is very difficult to draw conclusions.

NC State plays Purdue on Thanksgiving and then Texas and Kansas in December. So by January 1 we should know something.
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Just kvetching, but I have no idea who the initials refer to, except the one for Kevin Keatts. Not a State board, although you are a welcome member here.
 
JasonEvans said:
One of the surprising teams in the conference early on has been Pitt and this week with LSU and, hopefully, Wisconsin will be a nice test of just how far they have come. They've gotten a real lift from Houston transfer Damian Dunn and Ishmael Leggett is having an All-ACC kinda senior year. If Jaland Lowe can be a tad more efficient, they could be a legit top 20 team (heck, they might already be).
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It is still too early to be particularly meaningful, but Pitt currently has the 11th best rating in the country per Torvik if you remove the pre-season component.

Although the initial NET rakings haven't been released yet, Pitt is doing exactly what you need to do in order to be ranked highly in the NET - they have been blowing out the competition. In 5 games so far, Pitt's average margin of victory is 28.6 points. That includes a 24 point win vs WVU. Pitt's 19 point win vs Gardner Webb was by a bigger margin than Tennessee managed vs the same opponent.

Pitt's next 4 games (LSU, Wisconsin/UCF, @Ohio St, @Miss St) will tell us a lot about whether or not these early season blowouts are a mirage or not.

Here is how the ACC shakes out if you remove the pre-season component of Torvik's ratings

Duke (#4) and Pitt (#11) are the only ACC teams in the top 40.
 
sagegrouse said:
Just kvetching, but I have no idea who the initials refer to, except the one for Kevin Keatts. Not a State board, although you are a welcome member here.
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Yes well this thread is for the other teams in the ACC .... but kvetch away my friend. MOC is the PG (point guard) for State (the basically basketball irrelevant but lovable North Carolina State University) but I share frustration in not knowing who is who. TP is transfer portal...Pitt (University of Pittsburgh), State and most of the league are moving rosters so much in the offseason it is hard to know who is who anymore. I used to know the State, Duke, Wake (a flower shop in Winston Salem -Weak Florists), UNC (a small community college in chapel hill), GT (Georgia Institute of Technology- well known engineering school), and turtles (University of Maryland) rosters. Now...no idea.
 
House P said:
It is still too early to be particularly meaningful, but Pitt currently has the 11th best rating in the country per Torvik if you remove the pre-season component.

Although the initial NET rakings haven't been released yet, Pitt is doing exactly what you need to do in order to be ranked highly in the NET - they have been blowing out the competition. In 5 games so far, Pitt's average margin of victory is 28.6 points. That includes a 24 point win vs WVU. Pitt's 19 point win vs Gardner Webb was by a bigger margin than Tennessee managed vs the same opponent.

Pitt's next 4 games (LSU, Wisconsin/UCF, @Ohio St, @Miss St) will tell us a lot about whether or not these early season blowouts are a mirage or not.

Here is how the ACC shakes out if you remove the pre-season component of Torvik's ratings

Duke (#4) and Pitt (#11) are the only ACC teams in the top 40.
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Dammit, P... I had done almost all of that research for a segment we are doing on the pod this week and now you went and spoiled it!! Grrrr.

We are gonna do a "3 ACC teams that have been surprisingly good and 3 who have been surprisingly bad thus far." I did a very deep dive on Pitt for this.
 
dukewolf said:
I agree Jason. I think people also forget the reason they did so well at the end of the year is that KK was forced to abandon keats ball for an inside out O designed to let MOC and Burns find open players and the players stopped taking shots the second they got the ball. If MOC had not gotten injured in the purdue game ....

He lost Burns which was a a big loss but also lost our french rebounding machine and that hurt. I can tell he'd like to play small ball again but otherwise ..I don't know. I am also suspicious of KK strategic acumen. Then add the TP onto things and it is very difficult to draw conclusions.

NC State plays Purdue on Thanksgiving and then Texas and Kansas in December. So by January 1 we should know something.
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sagegrouse said:
Just kvetching, but I have no idea who the initials refer to, except the one for Kevin Keatts. Not a State board, although you are a welcome member here.
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dukewolf said:
Yes well this thread is for the other teams in the ACC .... but kvetch away my friend. MOC is the PG (point guard) for State (the basically basketball irrelevant but lovable North Carolina State University) but I share frustration in not knowing who is who. TP is transfer portal...Pitt (University of Pittsburgh), State and most of the league are moving rosters so much in the offseason it is hard to know who is who anymore. I used to know the State, Duke, Wake (a flower shop in Winston Salem -Weak Florists), UNC (a small community college in chapel hill), GT (Georgia Institute of Technology- well known engineering school), and turtles (University of Maryland) rosters. Now...no idea.
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Wow. @sagegrouse still doesn't know what the initials MOC stand for.

MOC = Michael O'Connell, the Stanford transfer who saved their season with a buzzer beater against UVA in the 2024 ACC Tournament semifinal that sent the game to overtime.


I watched and cheered at the time, not knowing that it would eventually mean the end of Duke's season.
 
uh_no said:
acc not having a great OOC right now. fortunately lots of big tournaments yet.
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not great, but few major disappointments. From what i could tell, the losses to the SEC were "quality" losses, if there is such a thing.
The ACC has 1 loss to the Mountain West, 1 to the A-10 and 1 to the A-SUN, the other 9 conference losses have been to the "power" conferences. Even so, the MWC, A-10 and A-SUN have some decent teams in them, though i don't know who ACC teams lost to in particular.
 
On a side note, UNC Wilmington takes on Kansas tonight. I don't expect a miracle, because they used that last year beating Kentucky in Rupp. But it would be nice to see them upset Kansas since unc lost there
 
JasonEvans said:
Dammit, P... I had done almost all of that research for a segment we are doing on the pod this week and now you went and spoiled it!! Grrrr.

We are gonna do a "3 ACC teams that have been surprisingly good and 3 who have been surprisingly bad thus far." I did a very deep dive on Pitt for this.
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Sorry for spoiling the podcast. :)

My "research" didn't extend beyond looking at Torvik's site, so I'll be looking forward to anything else you can share on the podcast.

For example, are the Diaz Graham twins finally looking like legit high major players? Is Brandin Cummings ready to contribute as a Freshman? If so, Pitt should have a solid roster capable of an at-large bid.
 
JasonEvans said:
Dammit, P... I had done almost all of that research for a segment we are doing on the pod this week and now you went and spoiled it!! Grrrr.

We are gonna do a "3 ACC teams that have been surprisingly good and 3 who have been surprisingly bad thus far." I did a very deep dive on Pitt for this.
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I look forward to the Wake Forest takes.
 
House P said:
It is still too early to be particularly meaningful, but Pitt currently has the 11th best rating in the country per Torvik if you remove the pre-season component.

Although the initial NET rakings haven't been released yet, Pitt is doing exactly what you need to do in order to be ranked highly in the NET - they have been blowing out the competition. In 5 games so far, Pitt's average margin of victory is 28.6 points. That includes a 24 point win vs WVU. Pitt's 19 point win vs Gardner Webb was by a bigger margin than Tennessee managed vs the same opponent.

Pitt's next 4 games (LSU, Wisconsin/UCF, @Ohio St, @Miss St) will tell us a lot about whether or not these early season blowouts are a mirage or not.

Here is how the ACC shakes out if you remove the pre-season component of Torvik's ratings

Duke (#4) and Pitt (#11) are the only ACC teams in the top 40.
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Yes, Pitt has settled on a roster 8 person roster and left them in most of the game even against VMI. It causes a blowout and gives them experience as a team but doesn't develop a bench. KK is fiddling with his roster and we have no idea if he has learned any lessons from last season. Just giant questions to be answered on Thanksgiving and then a December that is pretty brutal.
 
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