The saga of Daniel Jones thread
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CameronBornAndBred
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I so hope he lands with a team that has some protection in front of him. It might be another lousy team, but he can make them better if they keep him from getting killed. The Giants consistently proved they have no interest in that, on top of being a lousy team. They won't get better, and I'm sure Daboll will be leaving NY at the end of the season as well.
NYBri
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In addition to the financial aspect, DeVito did an OK job last year and Lock may be looked at as more of the same as Daniel brought to the team.
Being a Giant's fan, I was shocked they took Daniel so high in the draft (even though I have been told by Washington fans that their GM was going to take him #17 that year). However, I have been a big defender of his because he never got to play behind a decent pass protecting line or with good receivers.
I can't do that anymore. Too many bad passes. Too many failures to avoid the rush when more nimble or aware quarterbacks would have been able to do so. Too many turnovers. And most of all, too many indecisive plays where there were receivers open and for some reason Daniel wasn't able to pull the trigger. Regrettably, it's time for a change.
Being a Giant's fan, I was shocked they took Daniel so high in the draft (even though I have been told by Washington fans that their GM was going to take him #17 that year). However, I have been a big defender of his because he never got to play behind a decent pass protecting line or with good receivers.
I can't do that anymore. Too many bad passes. Too many failures to avoid the rush when more nimble or aware quarterbacks would have been able to do so. Too many turnovers. And most of all, too many indecisive plays where there were receivers open and for some reason Daniel wasn't able to pull the trigger. Regrettably, it's time for a change.
yeah, same page for me. He showed some real promise, then it faded. Happy he got his $80 million (I lost a bet on that, did not think he merited $40 million/yr as much as I liked him). My Duke football pals and I were quite stunned when the Giants took him sixth...
Your Giants are facing an extended period of rot; just like my Deadskins prior to this year. Cutting Jones best for both parties.
NYBri
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Except I hope they beat the Cowboys.
CrazyNotCrazie
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Interesting. Thanks. Though other than the 40% of snaps and possibly the first two passing incentives, the rest of those are extremely unlikely for Lock to hit this late in the season. But at this point, I am happy having DeVito. My kids have been begging to go to a Giants game and tickets might be really cheap - this could be our chance, though it will be really depressing.
If I recall, the Giants took Jones 6 and had another pick that hear around 17. There were rumors someone else might grab him before 17 but I don't think it was too likely. The expectations on him would have been lower at 17 than at 6.
At this point he will be looking for a backup job. I'm not doing the research now but somewhere like Miami or Detroit don't have particularly impressive or experienced backups so might give him a shot.
Blue in the Face
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This year was particularly disappointing. The protection, particularly, though not exclusively, before Thomas got hurt was better than in the past, and there were lots of instances where there was time and open targets, and Jones either didn't go through his progressions to find the open guy, or simply couldn't effectively get the ball there for anything beyond 10-15 yards. Pretty rough position to be in when hitting the market.
CameronBornAndBred
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I'll be happy with a tie.
OZZIE4DUKE
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Former Duke QB Al Woodall had a very nice career backing up Joe Namath back in the day. And so did Don Strock backing up Dan Marino. Although I’m sure both would rather have been starters.
King of Defense
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It'll be interesting to see whether any teams are interested next year. If I'm reading this correctly, there's no need to take on the last two years of the Giants contract, so he could be in line for something akin to Marcus Mariota's deal with the Commanders ($6m).
Jones is 27. This is his sixth season, and he's been the starter for most of that time other than his first few weeks and, of course, his injuries.
Let's look at all the non-starting QBs who are older than Jones but have thrown a pass this year ...
- Josh Johnson (38), who went 7 years between NFL starts and worked his way back to the league via the AAF and XFL
- Andy Dalton (37), 3-time Pro Bowler
- Tyrod Taylor (35), did four years as apprentice in Buffalo, started for three years after that, then has spent seven years as a backup
- Jacoby Brissett (32), lost his starting job to Drake Maye
- Cooper Rush (31), now starting for injured Dak Prescott in his SEVENTH year as the Cowboys backup
- Marcus Mariota (31), longtime ATL starter who fared well subbing for Jayden Daniels in a couple of games for Washington this year
- Taylor Heinicke (31), Washington's emergency starter on several occasions, now a backup
- Tim Boyle (30), 0-5 in five career starts in six years
Then the guy who has set the most likely career path for Jones to follow -- Mitch Trubisky, who started his first four years in Chicago and made the Pro Bowl in his second year but is now a backup at age 30.
If you're looking for a path we'd LIKE Jones to follow, look at Geno Smith. Jets starter as a 23-year-old rookie and in his second year, then started six games over the next six years. Took over in Seattle at age 32 and has done quite well for himself.
Jones is 27. This is his sixth season, and he's been the starter for most of that time other than his first few weeks and, of course, his injuries.
Let's look at all the non-starting QBs who are older than Jones but have thrown a pass this year ...
- Josh Johnson (38), who went 7 years between NFL starts and worked his way back to the league via the AAF and XFL
- Andy Dalton (37), 3-time Pro Bowler
- Tyrod Taylor (35), did four years as apprentice in Buffalo, started for three years after that, then has spent seven years as a backup
- Jacoby Brissett (32), lost his starting job to Drake Maye
- Cooper Rush (31), now starting for injured Dak Prescott in his SEVENTH year as the Cowboys backup
- Marcus Mariota (31), longtime ATL starter who fared well subbing for Jayden Daniels in a couple of games for Washington this year
- Taylor Heinicke (31), Washington's emergency starter on several occasions, now a backup
- Tim Boyle (30), 0-5 in five career starts in six years
Then the guy who has set the most likely career path for Jones to follow -- Mitch Trubisky, who started his first four years in Chicago and made the Pro Bowl in his second year but is now a backup at age 30.
If you're looking for a path we'd LIKE Jones to follow, look at Geno Smith. Jets starter as a 23-year-old rookie and in his second year, then started six games over the next six years. Took over in Seattle at age 32 and has done quite well for himself.
sagegrouse
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Nice analysis, but he's made $100 million. Why go back to being a backup at a fraction of what he's been making? A good student, with courses in finance, he could do well investing his own money.
I expect him to continue playing, however. Football is in his blood.
I expect him to continue playing, however. Football is in his blood.
CameronBlue
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Your post got me wondering about Duke QBs in the NFL. Here's a list off of the top of my head of QBs who took at least one snap from under center, and the team the played for (as a QB)
Ace Parker (NY Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers, Boston Yanks)
Sonny Jurgensen (Redskins)
Ben Bennett (Bengals)
Anthony Dilweg (Packers)
Dave Brown (Giants)
Daniel Jones (Giants)
Al Woodall (Jets)
Sean Renfree (Falcons)
Leo Hart (Falcons)
Thad Lewis (Browns, Bills)
think that's it, maybe Quentin Harris??
Stray Gator
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Given his competitive nature, I suspect that Daniel would also relish an opportunity to show the Giants and their fans that they sold him short, which he could do by demonstrating that he is a capable QB who can deliver wins if surrounded by teammates who are reasonably skilled and willing to play hard.
You forgot Thad Lewis who started games for both Cleveland and Buffalo and won a couple of them too. I think he was also a backup in Philly when Chip Kelly was there.
evrim
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Good point. And frankly why risk permanent brain damage...