The big Bill Belichick & UNC football catch-all thread

AustinDevil said:
Yes, you must’ve. Try post #310, though OldPhiKap is correct that he posted as well. You’ll need to find that one on your own
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310 is all about how BB will do in college. For the tenth time, THAT IS NOT my point. I make ZERO predictions about BB going forward as a college coach. In fact, I tend to agree with them on that. You got more than that I hope.
 
dukewolf said:
He didn't draft Brady the GM did as it should have been and was until BB disastrously took over GM duties at the end..and did the worst job in the NFL. Again you are giving credit where none is due. BB had a decade to show you any title in anything and he couldn't and didn't. He was fired because he sucked. He's very old for coaching, his boss hated him, nobody else will hire him. He may be a good D mind and maybe that is what UNC really needed. Clearly he has elevated the media into a firestorm. History shows he's a terrible coach. His buyout drops to nothing in 6 months, from 10 to 1mln. In 6 months. You think he'll be coaching? He doesn't. In his place he'll leave his son with addiction issues.
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BB always had a huge hand in all personnel decisions, and he had a big hand in drafting Brady, and in the roster development and evolution all during Brady's tenure there. Sorry. It's true.
 
brevity said:
If UNC is looking at NFL guys, then they should aim higher and try calling Bill Belichick. He could bring in Connor Stalions, and they'd fit right into Carolina's cheating culture.
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SkyBrickey said:
Here's the question that matters to me.

Does the BB hire and the $10M salary + $20M football NIL help or hurt their BASKETBALL NIL?
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SkyBrickey said:
I don't see how it helps UNC basketball NIL short term, but over on IC they seem to think that it will. 🤣
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One of the reasons I don't feel guilty for suggesting Bill Belichick for UNC in the first place -- are you still reading DBR for ideas, Carolina Board of Trustees? -- is that whether he succeeds or not, he's going to diminish every other sport in Chapel Hill, especially men's basketball.

I realize that there are sentiments like "a rising tide lifts all boats", but I'm not convinced that will be the case here. Of course there will be more money, but that doesn't mean that there's more money to go around. If this is about quixotic concepts like awakening a dead giant that appears to be sleeping, or auditioning for bigger conferences that probably aren't interested, then Bill Belichick is the symbol that UNC needs, in a way that Hubert Davis (or honestly, any active basketball coach) can never be.

They are going to be exactly like a professional franchise -- the glamour ones like the Yankees and Cowboys and Lakers -- that will continue to throw money at their problems. To the rest of the ACC, they will operate on a higher income level, and be incredibly annoying in the process, but I just don't see the outcome being as fruitful as they expect.
 
Yeah, now Hubert is competing with a much and shinier object for NIL funds, whether those come in the form of booster dollars or athletic department rev share. There's a finite amount of money out there.

Also seems to be like Belichick will be 100% focused on football and will just expect basketball to stay out of his way.
 
SkyBrickey said:
Yeah, now Hubert is competing with a much and shinier object for NIL funds, whether those come in the form of booster dollars or athletic department rev share. There's a finite amount of money out there.

Also seems to be like Belichick will be 100% focused on football and will just expect basketball to stay out of his way.
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Interesting concept, and may be the case vis a vis the hoops program......but maybe not. He at least gave lip service to the basketball program as being part of the 'magical place' that is Chapel Hill....(set gag reflex to stun) - and BB as a "shinier object" is also a disturbing visual...LOL
 
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brevity said:
One of the reasons I don't feel guilty for suggesting Bill Belichick for UNC in the first place -- are you still reading DBR for ideas, Carolina Board of Trustees? -- is that whether he succeeds or not, he's going to diminish every other sport in Chapel Hill, especially men's basketball.

I realize that there are sentiments like "a rising tide lifts all boats", but I'm not convinced that will be the case here. Of course there will be more money, but that doesn't mean that there's more money to go around. If this is about quixotic concepts like awakening a dead giant that appears to be sleeping, or auditioning for bigger conferences that probably aren't interested, then Bill Belichick is the symbol that UNC needs, in a way that Hubert Davis (or honestly, any active basketball coach) can never be.

They are going to be exactly like a professional franchise -- the glamour ones like the Yankees and Cowboys and Lakers -- that will continue to throw money at their problems. To the rest of the ACC, they will operate on a higher income level, and be incredibly annoying in the process, but I just don't see the outcome being as fruitful as they expect.
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A typically excellent take by @brevity.

I particularly like the usage of "quixotic" to suggest the Heels are tilting at windmills.
 
There are a couple of articles up pointing to the clause for an inexpensive buyout in the Belichick contract. After June 1, 2025 the buyout is $1M. That would mean a relatively easy exit should he want to answer an NFL call.

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HereBeforeCoachK said:
BB always had a huge hand in all personnel decisions, and he had a big hand in drafting Brady, and in the roster development and evolution all during Brady's tenure there. Sorry. It's true.
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"That Brady went even that high – and to New England – is due to the diligence of two men: then-Patriots quarterbacks coach Dick Rehbein and then-player personnel director Bobby Grier." What you don't understand is that Grier was Krafts man. He moved to put Grier in charge of drafts over Parcells several years before the 2000 draft and it was Grier that put together the team that BB inherited. It was Grier that had Krafts trust and that is why Kraft knew who Brady was on the first day of training camp. Grier had him as the 3rd round pick. Not BB. If you know nothing about Grier, fine but you are not competent to discuss drafts re NE or really any team because Grier was one of the all time best scouts. Maybe the best. He left NE in after 2000...because of BB. Backroom politics and Kraft never really forgave BB for that I don't think. So the last great thing Grier did was hand BB the GOAT.

BB almost [messed] up the Brady pick- they got lucky but it wasn't because of BB genius. Bobby had him as NE's 3rd round pick, they passed, they passed again. It wasn't BB doing something wonderful it was BB almost [messed] up but he wasn't GM so he didn't quite [mess] it up. Later on when he also was GM..then he completely [messed] up the draft and I am glad you recognize that he had a huge role.

I brought up several points related to the false assertion of BB as a great HC coach. So far you have refuted none other than with vague "false equivalence" things. Perhaps you should look at the numbers. Actually study his records. No NFL team wants him. There is a reason. Dig deep and you'll find it is because he is not a good HC and is a bad GM. His drafts are some of the worst in recent NFL history and certainly the worst in NE history.

As Brevity pointed out...what does all this mean for UNC bball? Likely HD is in trouble. He couldn't get $ for a big man before. What now?
 
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camion said:
There are a couple of articles up pointing to the clause for an inexpensive buyout in the Belichick contract. After June 1, 2025 the buyout is $1M. That would mean a relatively easy exit should he want to answer an NFL call.

Linky
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Yes it is clear this is his goal and the Boston press says he was quite despondent nobody would call him last year despite lots of openings and it was clear nobody would call him this year either. Kraft is quashing any hopes of BB getting back into the NFL, at least so far.
 
brevity said:
One of the reasons I don't feel guilty for suggesting Bill Belichick for UNC in the first place -- are you still reading DBR for ideas, Carolina Board of Trustees? -- is that whether he succeeds or not, he's going to diminish every other sport in Chapel Hill, especially men's basketball.

I realize that there are sentiments like "a rising tide lifts all boats", but I'm not convinced that will be the case here. Of course there will be more money, but that doesn't mean that there's more money to go around. If this is about quixotic concepts like awakening a dead giant that appears to be sleeping, or auditioning for bigger conferences that probably aren't interested, then Bill Belichick is the symbol that UNC needs, in a way that Hubert Davis (or honestly, any active basketball coach) can never be.

They are going to be exactly like a professional franchise -- the glamour ones like the Yankees and Cowboys and Lakers -- that will continue to throw money at their problems. To the rest of the ACC, they will operate on a higher income level, and be incredibly annoying in the process, but I just don't see the outcome being as fruitful as they expect.
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A rising tide lifts all boats, but a giant sponge soaks up a rising tide. They just acquired a giant sponge. The other poor boats will be left leaning precariously on the dry beach.
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
dukewolf said:
He's a horrid person, insecure & cheater, he's a loser anywhere without the NFLs GOAT ie Brady. .42 winning percent before brady and after brady in a decade of history. He's actually not a good HC, a terrible GM, and as his work on defense is below that of true leaders. Buy a box of popcorn, butter, and a new microwave.
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Not predicting success for him at UNC...but NO BODY who played for him agrees with you at all. Period. No one who covers the NFL agrees with you. Perhaps you have some insight his players missed.
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HereBeforeCoachK said:
310 is all about how BB will do in college. For the tenth time, THAT IS NOT my point. I make ZERO predictions about BB going forward as a college coach. In fact, I tend to agree with them on that. You got more than that I hope.
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You know what, fair point about the specifics; my prior links were about reasons to doubt Belichick would succeed at uNC.

That does not, however, make you right in your arrogant certainty. It just means that different links are needed. And remember that for your absolutism to be correct, you have to be right about every single thing in dukewolf's post being wrong. For example, can you really defend Belichick's record as a GM? Or the position that Belichick isn't a cheater?

Does Skip Bayless "cover the NFL"? I'm pretty sure that he does. He called someone "an overrated product of Tom Brady."

Does Rex Ryan "cover the NFL"? I'm again pretty sure that he does. He said "Tom Brady was the only reason [Belichick] won anyway. I’m just telling you the difference… I said they would never win again when he trotted down to Tampa."

Does an anonymous poll of 103 players from 27 teams that called Ryan and Belichick the most overrated head coaches in the NFL seem entirely consistent with your absolutist view? No.

So yeah, Bayless is a jerk and Ryan clearly has an ax to grind and I can't prove that anyone who was ever specifically coached by Belichick also voted him overrated in that poll (nor can you prove the opposite). But the bottom line is that your blowhard and absolutist certainty is easily demonstrated to be wrong.
 
HereBeforeCoachK said:
Interesting concept, and may be the case vis a vis the hoops program......but maybe not. He at least gave lip service to the basketball program as being part of the 'magical place' that is Chapel Hill....(set gag reflex to stun) - and BB as a "shinier object" is also a disturbing visual...LOL
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Hey, I own a home in Chapel Hill and live there with my family, and can personally attest to the fact that it is a pretty darn magical to live. But as a Duke fan I understand the urge to put down UNC and Chapel Hill.

As far as Belichick being a shinier object I suspect it’s just the reflection from his stunning young girlfriend. 😉
 
Steven43 said:
Hey, I own a home in Chapel Hill and live there with my family, and can personally attest to the fact that it is a pretty darn magical to live. But as a Duke fan I understand the urge to put down UNC and Chapel Hill.

As far as Belichick being a shinier object I suspect it’s just the reflection from his stunning young girlfriend. 😉
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Are you saying that she is hot tub material?
 
AustinDevil said:
You know what, fair point about the specifics; my prior links were about reasons to doubt Belichick would succeed at uNC.

That does not, however, make you right in your arrogant certainty. It just means that different links are needed. And remember that for your absolutism to be correct, you have to be right about every single thing in dukewolf's post being wrong. For example, can you really defend Belichick's record as a GM? Or the position that Belichick isn't a cheater?

Does Skip Bayless "cover the NFL"? I'm pretty sure that he does. He called someone "an overrated product of Tom Brady."

Does Rex Ryan "cover the NFL"? I'm again pretty sure that he does. He said "Tom Brady was the only reason [Belichick] won anyway. I’m just telling you the difference… I said they would never win again when he trotted down to Tampa."

Does an anonymous poll of 103 players from 27 teams that called Ryan and Belichick the most overrated head coaches in the NFL seem entirely consistent with your absolutist view? No.

So yeah, Bayless is a jerk and Ryan clearly has an ax to grind and I can't prove that anyone who was ever specifically coached by Belichick also voted him overrated in that poll (nor can you prove the opposite). But the bottom line is that your blowhard and absolutist certainty is easily demonstrated to be wrong.
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I would say the specifics re BB are pretty clear. Clear but not something you'd use to make a case for BB as a HC. It did get lots of press for them. Time for popcorn
 
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