NFL 2024-25 General Discussion

And he fumbled earlier in the quarter. He let the whole team down.
Yes. I agree completely.

But the lame talking heads on the radio will make this exhibit X in the proof that Lamar is gold in the regular season but terrible in the playoffs. But it wasn't his fault.

Mark my words. As next year's season winds down, you will not hear the end of the idiots asking whether Lamar will finally be 'up to the task,' or whether Lamar will be able to 'break the curse.'

Goes with the territory, I guess.


Edited to add that I see one of our own already fell into that trap. So my prediction came true even earlier than I thought it would. There is essentially no room for nuance in sports talk anymore.
 
Most people who do this type of thinking don't know their rear end from a hole in the ground. The folks getting paid for it are looking for an abundance of clicks rather than spitting out actual knowledge most of the time nowadays.
Well, maybe those divisions were the best top to bottom. They just didn't get one team to the conference finals. No way to know really.
 
Yes. I agree completely.

But the lame talking heads on the radio will make this exhibit X in the proof that Lamar is gold in the regular season but terrible in the playoffs. But it wasn't his fault.

Mark my words. As next year's season winds down, you will not hear the end of the idiots asking whether Lamar will finally be 'up to the task,' or whether Lamar will be able to 'break the curse.'

Goes with the territory, I guess.


Edited to add that I see one of our own already fell into that trap. So my prediction came true even earlier than I thought it would. There is essentially no room for nuance in sports talk anymore.
Thanks and that’s why so bothered the tight end screwed up as Lamar can’t play in the Conference Finals due to such poor play by others. Enjoyed watching Lamar all these years and he’s a winner.
 
Lamar is a loser because his normally sure-handed tight end dropped a softly thrown pass right in his hands to tie the game, after Lamar led them down the field 90 yards in the snow? If Andrews catches that, would that mean Lamar has "it?"
Let's clarify. Has Lamar won games a lot in his career? Yes. Has he lead his team to the playoffs on multiple occasions? Yes. Has he won the big AFC games to get his team to the SB? No. And last night, he threw a horrible pick early in the game and lost a fumble that directly led to more Bills' points. So once again, as talented as he is, he didn't get himself or his team to the next round.

You took my comment out of its original context. I said he hasn't demonstrated the "it" factor (the clutch gene that wins the big playoff games). And I'm sorry, but that's the truth. I'll be glad to say that he's not a "loser" in the sense that he's a great player. But in the context I was speaking of - playoff games with a chance to get to the SB - he hasn't played great. Not great enough to get his team to the SB in spite of the fact he's got all the tools. That's the killer. He has all the natural ability in the world and he does often rack up great regular season stats. But last night we were talking about the playoffs. And he's yet to show he has that special "it" gene that can take his team over the top.

If tomorrow you could create a team for a simulated playoff run, with a QB in their prime, please don't tell me you'd pick Lamar over Patrick Mahomes, or John Elway, or Joe Montana, or Tom Brady! They all have "it". Lamar hasn't demonstrated he has "it" yet. That was the context of my comment that has raised so many eyebrows. So I'll amend/explain that I don't think he's a loser in a general sense. But he's only ever lost in the big playoff games. I want to see that clutch gene take him to a SB before I label him as having "it".
 
John Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he was 38 dude, and you can't tell me Lamar isn't clutch after watching that last drive. Yes he threw a bad pick early, and lost a fumble after a bad snap, but they also didn't punt one time.

You win as a team and lose as a team, and the Bills were definitely the better team last night, but to pin that all on Lamar is ridiculous.
 
John Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he was 38 dude, and you can't tell me Lamar isn't clutch after watching that last drive. Yes he threw a bad pick early, and lost a fumble after a bad snap, but they also didn't punt one time.

You win as a team and lose as a team, and the Bills were definitely the better team last night, but to pin that all on Lamar is ridiculous.
Didn't blame it all on him. But to blame it all on Andrews is just as ridiculous, which is what multiple posters did here last night.

Oh, and dude. You can't casually sweep away two turnovers by your QB. They aren't nothing.
 
Question: do any of y'all think there should be a rule change in the way "roughing the QB" is called due to Patrick Mahomes' elite circumvention of the intent of the protection call?

if not a rule change, at LEAST an official's meeting regarding how the call is made? OR, should it just be left up to the defense to figure out how to counter his moves?
 
Question: do any of y'all think there should be a rule change in the way "roughing the QB" is called due to Patrick Mahomes' elite circumvention of the intent of the protection call?

if not a rule change, at LEAST an official's meeting regarding how the call is made? OR, should it just be left up to the defense to figure out how to counter his moves?
The spirit of the rule is "I am running down the field and see guys coming at me, but they are still a few steps away. I like could get another five yards but I am going to very purposely slide, potentially sacrificing a few extra yards to avoid getting hit, and those defenders should have adequate time to slow down and not really hit me."

What Mahomes did on that play was "I see two guys about to tackle me who are so close that they can't stop. I will submit without sacrificing anything. Hopefully the refs will take pity on me."

I don't dislike the Chiefs as much as some others here, but I am finding them increasingly tiresome. Mahomes has jumped the shark from "guy who really gets it and is playing 4D chess while everyone else is playing checkers" to "guy who thinks he is special and abuses loopholes in the rules and the spirit of these rules." It is similar to how many felt about Belichick (and to a lesser extent Brady).
 
Question: do any of y'all think there should be a rule change in the way "roughing the QB" is called due to Patrick Mahomes' elite circumvention of the intent of the protection call?

if not a rule change, at LEAST an official's meeting regarding how the call is made? OR, should it just be left up to the defense to figure out how to counter his moves?
He actually didn't draw a flag where he slowed down going out of bounds and flopped.

The other two flags on Saturday were just missed calls, and missed calls that were from the actual vantage point of the ref throwing the flag and at full speed, not that bad.

It sucks, but given how protective the NFL is of quarterbacks, its going to happen.
 
Part of the roughing the passer rule discusses that the defensive player can't hit the passer in the neck, face mask, or helmet. I thought the contact on the first call was to Mahomes's neck and face mask. The second call, I didn't think it was a textbook slide since he was going down sideways. The two players contacted each other's heads harder than they did his.

Yes, I'm a Chiefs fan so not totally unbiased. I admit that I find the conspiracy theories that the NFL wants the Chiefs to win so call the game in their favor is pretty funny. I saw a lot of missed holding calls on the Texans, and some on the Chiefs. No game is called perfectly. Everyone is human.
 
Didn't blame it all on him. But to blame it all on Andrews is just as ridiculous, which is what multiple posters did here last night.

Oh, and dude. You can't casually sweep away two turnovers by your QB. They aren't nothing.
I literally said you win as a team and you lose as a team. I love Andrews, we wouldn't be where we are without him.
 
Part of the roughing the passer rule discusses that the defensive player can't hit the passer in the neck, face mask, or helmet. I thought the contact on the first call was to Mahomes's neck and face mask. The second call, I didn't think it was a textbook slide since he was going down sideways. The two players contacted each other's heads harder than they did his.

Yes, I'm a Chiefs fan so not totally unbiased. I admit that I find the conspiracy theories that the NFL wants the Chiefs to win so call the game in their favor is pretty funny. I saw a lot of missed holding calls on the Texans, and some on the Chiefs. No game is called perfectly. Everyone is human.
That is true that no game is perfectly called. It just seems that the imperfections seem to go in one particular direction a lot more than the other.

We, on this board, should all be able to acknowledge it. It’s just like the complaints back in the day that Duke gets all the calls. Duke got more calls because they were better, the players were better, coaches worked the refs better, etc. I’m pretty sure the same thing is happening here with the Chiefs. There isn’t a grand conspiracy*, but I think it’s hard to argue against the thought that Pat Mahomes is getting calls that Daniel Jones would not.

* Author’s note: While there probably isn’t a conspiracy, in this case the reason behind one makes sense which is why it is generating so much buzz. Plus, I wouldn’t say Roger Goodell is above reproach.
 
Question: do any of y'all think there should be a rule change in the way "roughing the QB" is called due to Patrick Mahomes' elite circumvention of the intent of the protection call?

if not a rule change, at LEAST an official's meeting regarding how the call is made? OR, should it just be left up to the defense to figure out how to counter his moves?
I would just like the refs to take into consideration how reasonable it is that the defender could avoid contact in the time he has to make that decision. Defenders are supposed to run full speed to tackle a player but magically know exactly where the out-of-bounds is and react to whether or not the QB will give themselves up. It just is not fair.
 
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