NCAA Football 2024 (national discussion)

tommy said:
I understand the sentiment but should the same apply in basketball? Lose twice to a team in conference play make you ineligible for the big dance ?
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In theory, but of course basketball teams play many more games and face all conference opponents at least once plus have a conference championship for all(or almost all) teams. In essence,the playoff includes everyone so it isn’t apples to oranges.

In the case of Texas this season, the Longhorns avoided Bama, Tenn, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Missouri! Literally all the ranked teams except Georgia who it lost to twice- including at home! Texas’s resume is incredibly weak and no way should it be #5 much less have a home game. Now you could argue Texas would have beaten some of those teams but not all of them and thus would not have that gaudy of a record.
 
Bottom half is very weak. UGA feels like the prohibitive favorite in the bottom half. Top half of the bracket is loaded. Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon.
 
ClemmonsDevil said:
Bottom half is very weak. UGA feels like the prohibitive favorite in the bottom half. Top half of the bracket is loaded. Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon.
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No kidding. If this were the college basketball counterpart, we'd say that Georgia was gifted the "UNC Cakewalk Bracket." Maybe that was the Committee's internal tradeoff for excluding Alabama.
 
AGDukesky said:
In theory, but of course basketball teams play many more games and face all conference opponents at least once plus have a conference championship for all(or almost all) teams. In essence,the playoff includes everyone so it isn’t apples to oranges.

In the case of Texas this season, the Longhorns avoided Bama, Tenn, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Missouri! Literally all the ranked teams except Georgia who it lost to twice- including at home! Texas’s resume is incredibly weak and no way should it be #5 much less have a home game. Now you could argue Texas would have beaten some of those teams but not all of them and thus would not have that gaudy of a record.
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Yep, the early Texas win over Michigan propelled them to greatness in sportswriters minds. The rest of the schedule didn’t seem to matter and losses to UGA are ok. Lots of mediocre teams they beat (Indiana-like).
 
ClemmonsDevil said:
Bottom half is very weak. UGA feels like the prohibitive favorite in the bottom half. Top half of the bracket is loaded. Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon.
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This will be a theme going forward unless they change the format/seeding. The #2-4 teams in the SEC or Big Ten are going to be better than the conference champions not from there league thus creating a easier path to the title. Penn St. and Texas should be licking there chops right now with there path.
 
tommy said:
Miami didn’t beat anyone better than Duke. And didn’t even make its conference championship game.
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You could say the same about Indiana though to be fair. They had an extremely favorable (read: easy) Big Ten schedule and didn't make their conference championship. Their best win was over 7-5 Michigan. That's their only win against an opponent with a winning record, I think. Ohio St and Michigan were their only opponents all season with more wins than losses and they went 1-1, small sample size.

Seems like the committee basically really cares about number of losses as an indicator of strength if only one loss (Indiana, Boise St, Notre Dame), but then looks at other metrics a bit more with 2 or 3 losses.

So, in the Indiana vs Miami debate, taking the one loss team makes sense but just saying that not having any good wins and not making your conference championship game isn't an automatic disqualifier as Indiana has shown.
 
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Mike Petrik said:
Is that the Georgia that barely escaped GT?
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Anything goes in a rivalry game. Things do not always go as expected in games such as these. And it’s Tech’s Super Bowl: That close result does not mean Georgia is not the best team (or at worst top 3).

They are very well-coached, have tons of NFL talent throughout their roster, have one of the best FG kickers you will find and when their defense brings its “A” game you’d better run for cover.

They are going to be an extremely tough out.
 
Stray Gator said:
No kidding. If this were the college basketball counterpart, we'd say that Georgia was gifted the "UNC Cakewalk Bracket." Maybe that was the Committee's internal tradeoff for excluding Alabama.
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I'll may be pulling for Oregon and Georgia to meet.
I should pull for clem and his son just for the local talent . I was surprised smu was still in it .my son loves the Dogs .daughter inlaw loves clemson.
Fairly happy alabama didn't get in.
Georgia got a ridiculous path.
With the bracket I may have to go with Oregon just for the hand they were delt.
Maybe a point system can be developed to take it out of the hands of the committee.
We used it in H.S. it was based off strength of schedule and teams records .seemed to be somewhat fair.
 
The committee set things in stone last week. No team that wasn’t playing was going to pass a team already in the playoffs that had to play a CCG. That’s fair.

I get the Texas schedule issues but how is Penn Stste any better? I would have put Notre Dame 5th but again they already had Ut in above ND last week and weren’t going to punish a team for having to play an extra game. And in any event I’ve always thought quality of loss should outweigh quality of win. So I have no problem with the final rankings generally.

There are lots of dilemmas with this system vis a vis the championship game incentives. But I think the committee did the right thing by not punishing teams in making the field or for their seeding for having to play in the CCG. Will that lead to teams already in the field doing the NFL week 18 thing and sitting pkayers for conference championship games? I hope not but we are going to have to learn as we go.
 
I don't see Notre Dame as low as #7 and I don't see Indiana as high as #10. Could it possibly be ...? Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they?
 
arnie said:
Yep, the early Texas win over Michigan propelled them to greatness in sportswriters minds. The rest of the schedule didn’t seem to matter and losses to UGA are ok. Lots of mediocre teams they beat (Indiana-like).
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My hot take all year is this is an incredibly down year for college football. NFL teams are going to have to talk themselves into QBs in the draft. May make for a compelling playoff, but I don't think there is anything close to a great team this year. Maybe this is unfair, but I wouldn't trust Penn State to win the North Carolina High School state championship. And they were within a score of the best team in the country? After barely getting to double digits against Ohio state? Which lost to a just decent Michigan team? I don't think there's anybody very good this year.
 
75Crazie said:
I don't see Notre Dame as low as #7 and I don't see Indiana as high as #10. Could it possibly be ...? Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they?
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The explanation I read for that “adjustment” was trying to avoid an intraconference 1st round match-up between PSU and Indiana.
 
A-Tex Devil said:
I will add that all of SMU, Boise and ASU are going to be live dogs when they play. I wouldn’t be stunned if any of them win their first game.

Also - Georgia got a nice bracket but they have shown they haven’t gotten up for anyone but Texas and Tennessee this year. Presuming ND gets by Indiana I think that’s a tough matchup for UGa.
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I've not believed in Notre Dame for two decades. They just always seem to have too many thick-ankled Midwestern kids.
 
tommy said:
Miami didn’t beat anyone better than Duke. And didn’t even make its conference championship game.
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And yet I’d bet a bunch of pies had they faced Indiana or Penn State. No one will ever convince me the top 12 teams are in those brackets released today.
 
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