MBB: The 2025 Transfer Portal

Yes, we had two starters leave for the portal. They've had four starters leave for the portal. I'm not sure what point you are arguing? That they may be a better team like we were because of all the departures?

There's one enormous difference in the situations. We had Cooper, Khaman, Kon, Isaiah, Pat, Darren all on the way. They have Caleb Wilson on the way.
Sorry, I'm not really arguing a point as much as wondering what Duke's portal transfer ranking was last year. I suspect it wasn't very high and therefore am doubting the significance of a low (or even a high) ranking for predicting success in the coming year.
 
Sorry, I'm not really arguing a point as much as wondering what Duke's portal transfer ranking was last year. I suspect it wasn't very high and therefore am doubting the significance of a low (or even a high) ranking for predicting success in the coming year.
Well that won't go down well with the ranking crowd.
 
Sorry, I'm not really arguing a point as much as wondering what Duke's portal transfer ranking was last year. I suspect it wasn't very high and therefore am doubting the significance of a low (or even a high) ranking for predicting success in the coming year.
How dare you use the power of observation, logic, and reason to question the almighty “transfer portal activity ranking” metric. It’s clearly one of the best metrics in sports, right behind Mel Kiper’s draft grades the day after the draft. And by the way, sources everywhere will tell you in 2024 it was cool to have a low “transfer portal activity ranking”, but that was 2024. It’s 2025 and times have changed now that UNCheat has a low “transfer portal activity ranking”.
 
Sorry, I'm not really arguing a point as much as wondering what Duke's portal transfer ranking was last year. I suspect it wasn't very high and therefore am doubting the significance of a low (or even a high) ranking for predicting success in the coming year.

You definitely can't view it in a vacuum. But UNC has lost more to eligibility/NBA (Davis, Withers, Powell) than they are adding in the freshman class (Caleb Wilson plus two guys ranked in the 50s).

So to then layer in that they are ranked #357 in net portal activity is a major red flag - if it's remotely directionally accurate.

If I'm a UNC fan, I'm hoping the portal rankings of outbound and inbound talent are way, way off - as in we are top-15, not #357.
 
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So you have any idea what our ranking was last year? Based on how things played out, I suspect that these rankings aren't work the electrons used to post them.
For 2024 Evan Miya had Duke's transfer class ranked as #11. https://evanmiya.com/?class_rankings While transfer rankings, like any recruiting rankings, are crapshoot, those seem quite defensible:

1. Louisville - spot on
2. St. John's - spot on
3. Vandy - spot on
4. Texas Tech - spot on
5. West Virginia - was right on until they got hit with injuries
6. Baylor - overrated, mostly because of Roach not really performing up to the level expected
7. Kentucky - underrated but still pretty accurate
8. Ole Miss - spot on
9. Texas - overrated a bit
10. Indiana - everyone had them overrated not really accounting for the poor roster construction with Reneau/Ballo inhibiting one another's effectiveness or for Carlyle/Rice being such poor shooters.

He had Duke's "Overall Transfer Activity Rank" as #311, largely it seems a function simply of (i) the relative number of transfers, with 4 coming in and 7 going out, and (ii) that Roach and Mitchell were starters/former high level recruits.

Obviously, however, as Sky Brickey noted, for a team like Duke which had three lottery pick freshmen plus Evans and Ngongba coming in as recruits, the "Overall Transfer Activity Rank" -- that measures solely the relatively levels of transfer activity -- is going to be a less important metric than it is for teams that aren't adding that level of talent through high school recruiting.
 
You definitely can't view it in a vacuum. But UNC has lost more to eligibility/NBA (Davis, Withers, Powell) than they are adding in the freshman class (Caleb Wilson plus two guys ranked in the 50s).

So to then layer in that they are ranked #357 in net portal activity is a major red flag - if it's remotely directionally accurate.

If I'm a UNC fan, I'm hoping the portal rankings of outbound and inbound talent are way, way off - as in we are top-15, not #357.
Who would want to join that dumpster 🔥? On top of that they have the football coach circus going on. Fun to watch from afar but not to be part of.
 
Calipari did this at Arkansas last year and I'm a little wary of it. Between transfers in, one returner, and the freshman class, Arkansas had 9 guys who you could expect to play high major D1 basketball. The rest of the roster was filled out with an unremarkable D2 transfer and freshmen who were slightly above walk on tier. I get it in theory, but it leaves very little margin for error with injuries. Arkansas, as it happened, had bad injury luck and went stretches of the season with functionally just 6 or 7 available players because the "character" guys were unplayable. I'd much rather fill out the bench with Jordan Goldwire or Christian Reeves tier guys who are realistically mid or low major players but are still playable in emergency or special circumstances. No clue if that kind of roster construction is still feasible in the current era, of course.
 
Calipari did this at Arkansas last year and I'm a little wary of it. Between transfers in, one returner, and the freshman class, Arkansas had 9 guys who you could expect to play high major D1 basketball. The rest of the roster was filled out with an unremarkable D2 transfer and freshmen who were slightly above walk on tier. I get it in theory, but it leaves very little margin for error with injuries. Arkansas, as it happened, had bad injury luck and went stretches of the season with functionally just 6 or 7 available players because the "character" guys were unplayable. I'd much rather fill out the bench with Jordan Goldwire or Christian Reeves tier guys who are realistically mid or low major players but are still playable in emergency or special circumstances. No clue if that kind of roster construction is still feasible in the current era, of course.
Only so much NIL $$ to go around. At least at most places.
 
Only so much NIL $$ to go around. At least at most places.
Sure. My question is, if you're Duke, how much does it take to outbid Eastern Kentucky for Jordan Goldwire? I have no clue what low majors are offering in NIL for their priority recruits. Is it an amount low enough that Duke can afford to spend it on their 10th or 11th man while still having the budget to pay the blue chippers?
 
Sure. My question is, if you're Duke, how much does it take to outbid Eastern Kentucky for Jordan Goldwire? I have no clue what low majors are offering in NIL for their priority recruits. Is it an amount low enough that Duke can afford to spend it on their 10th or 11th man while still having the budget to pay the blue chippers?
Lots of people make guesses at what any of these numbers might be, but very very few people actually know.
 
Lots of people make guesses at what any of these numbers might be, but very very few people actually know.
High Point offered 250k to their best potential returner, but he left for a power school. They are getting the best rotation players in the Big South for ~100k each. I don’t know if it’s like this at other small programs, but the Grand Canyons see a million dollar roster as a great investment if they can make the tourney and win the conference. There’s no better publicity and it is an engine for student retention and donor interest.
 
Sure. My question is, if you're Duke, how much does it take to outbid Eastern Kentucky for Jordan Goldwire? I have no clue what low majors are offering in NIL for their priority recruits. Is it an amount low enough that Duke can afford to spend it on their 10th or 11th man while still having the budget to pay the blue chippers?
Well, getting that 10th or 11th man is not just about matching or besting a low major in the NIL offer. It is also about opportunity to play and grow your game. Plenty of kids are going to be more interested in making $100k as a top 2 or 3 player on a Big South team versus making $125 or $150k to be 10th man at Duke or Arkansas.
 
This guy thinks Ole Miss and Duke are in the lead for Claude. If he's right, then I think Claude is our Coward backup plan.

Meh. I'd rather have Darrion Williams or Jamir Watkins. Or even Boogie Fland. But I have no idea whether Duke is involved, or to what extent, with any of them. All three were invited to the Draft Combine, but they project as mid to late second rounders.
 
Sounding like Cowerd is gonna end up not playing for Duke some scouts are projecting him late first round if that is the case we better have a backup plan and I hope Claude isn't the answer
 
This guy thinks Ole Miss and Duke are in the lead for Claude. If he's right, then I think Claude is our Coward backup plan.

There's a few things about this article that raise minor red flags for me.
  1. Is "high six figures" a "significant" NIL package anymore? Based on everything we've heard about this offseason, I doubt it. Something tells me one of the few remaining transfers who is in the Top 50 on most portal rankings would demand more.
  2. By all accounts Tyrese isn't "testing the NBA draft waters" but is really out the door. If this guy knew what he was talking about he likely would be talking about Cedric and Isaiah.
  3. If you look up the author, not much comes up... in fact, with the caveat that social media does not equal clout, his social media following is almost nil.
I certainly think Claude is a much better option than nothing if Cedric goes pro. But there are other guys in the portal (Jamir Watkins, someone @JasonEvans has indicated there may be some interest in) that seem like better fits for what Jon Scheyer has prioritized and better one-for-one replacements for Cedric. Heck, Dame Sarr is still uncommitted, and while I'm skeptical about that whole thing given the lack of concrete reporting of Duke interest, even he might fit better.
 
This guy thinks Ole Miss and Duke are in the lead for Claude. If he's right, then I think Claude is our Coward backup plan.


I've never heard of this guy or this website, but it kind of doesn't matter because he's just speculating anyway.

Desmond Claude is a rising senior (2 years at Xavier, 1 year at USC) with no sign that he would have graduated early. If Duke were to take him as an upperclassman undergrad, it would go against what we think we know about our admissions policies.

I haven't come across Claude visiting either Ole Miss or Duke. He was supposed to visit Florida at the beginning of the month, but I don't know if he followed through on that, and it's since been reported that Florida is looking elsewhere. (That was from On3's Joe Tipton, who also posted that UNC and Kentucky have backed away.)
 
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